Jun 19, 2017, 9:34 pm
Last edit by: ernestnywang
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards Wiki v0.1
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards - sharing ideas
May 7, 2018, 10:59 pm
#664
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Toronto
Programs: HGP Globalist, SPG P100, Hilton Dia
Posts: 425
Stopover allowance as Transfer
I am trying to ticket the following itinerary. Am I correct that I currently have 4 stopover, 2 transfer and 2 open jaws?
- HKG-CEB /openjaw
- MNL-HKG /stopover
- HKG-PVG /stopover
- PVG-HKG /stopover
- HKG-DXB /transfer
- DXB-LHR /openjaw
- TNG-MAD /stopover
- MAD-DOH /transfer
- DOH-HKG
May 11, 2018, 11:55 pm
#665
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: ORD [formerly] + HKG
Programs: CX Diamond, AA exExPlat, BAEC exGold, HH Diamond, Hyatt Globalist, Starriott Titanium, GE
Posts: 2,966
Struggling to get something in case the devaluation happens soon. How's this itinerary for 160,000/235,000 in J/F?
CDG-oHKG-oLHR-oZRH-oHKG-LHR//BCN-CDG
CX, CX, BA, CX, CX, IB. 24,709 according to CX website. Will I have any issues going through HKG and LHR twice (/taking the HKG-LHR flight twice?)
Suppose the first 3-4 flights are in 10-12 months time. The last one in (say) 18. I read above and saw that CX would let me hold the seats, but for 6 more months? If only CX flights can be held I wonder if I can tell them to consider LHR-ZRH a surface sector first and I add it back later.
Additional brainstorming for the next band...
CDG-oHKG-oLHR-oZRH-oHKG-LHR//BCN-LHR//HKG-oHND-xHKG-xLHR-CDG
34,691 (CX, CX, BA, CX, CX, IB, CX, CX, CX, BA)
CDG-oHKG-oLHR-oZRH-oHKG-LHR//BCN-CDG
CX, CX, BA, CX, CX, IB. 24,709 according to CX website. Will I have any issues going through HKG and LHR twice (/taking the HKG-LHR flight twice?)
Suppose the first 3-4 flights are in 10-12 months time. The last one in (say) 18. I read above and saw that CX would let me hold the seats, but for 6 more months? If only CX flights can be held I wonder if I can tell them to consider LHR-ZRH a surface sector first and I add it back later.
Additional brainstorming for the next band...
CDG-oHKG-oLHR-oZRH-oHKG-LHR//BCN-LHR//HKG-oHND-xHKG-xLHR-CDG
34,691 (CX, CX, BA, CX, CX, IB, CX, CX, CX, BA)
May 12, 2018, 12:03 am
#666
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NYC/SIN
Programs: CX DM, SQ KF
Posts: 2,171
If a devaluation is coming, you’ll need to issue the tickets before that, and award tickets are only valid for 12m from the issue date, so holding for 6months might be moot..
ita fine to go through the same place/sector again- no clue how much they’ll push back though.
ita fine to go through the same place/sector again- no clue how much they’ll push back though.
May 12, 2018, 12:30 pm
#667
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: ORD [formerly] + HKG
Programs: CX Diamond, AA exExPlat, BAEC exGold, HH Diamond, Hyatt Globalist, Starriott Titanium, GE
Posts: 2,966
I called 3888 but I guess since I asked such a hypothetical question they couldn't give a concrete answer, just said 1 month would be much easier than let's say 6.
Let's say if I have enough AM to issue the first itin but not the second yet, can I reissue to the higher band later? I assume it will be a $100 reissuance fee and must be done before the first flight is flown. Keeping the same original routing as well.
So, from
CDG-oHKG-oLHR-oZRH-oHKG-LHR//BCN-CDG
to
CDG-oHKG-oLHR-oZRH-oHKG-LHR//BCN-CDG//HKG-oHND-xHKG-xLHR-CDG
Let's say if I have enough AM to issue the first itin but not the second yet, can I reissue to the higher band later? I assume it will be a $100 reissuance fee and must be done before the first flight is flown. Keeping the same original routing as well.
So, from
CDG-oHKG-oLHR-oZRH-oHKG-LHR//BCN-CDG
to
CDG-oHKG-oLHR-oZRH-oHKG-LHR//BCN-CDG//HKG-oHND-xHKG-xLHR-CDG
May 13, 2018, 8:42 pm
#668
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: HK
Posts: 103
Just "learnt" a new restriction when making a multi-carrier award redemption.
Friend wanna to redeem HKG-(CX)-oMAD-(IB)-oEZE-(BA)-xLHR-(CX)-HKG
All sectors are shown available on CX/BAEC websites. When creating the booking, the agent insisted that the last segment LHR-HKG on CX flight cannot be ticketed as transit. Obviously he doesn't want to stopover in LHR and paying the outrageous UK APD. OTOH, the agent suggested to travel on BA aircraft in the last segment which the booking can be created.
From CX website, there is an interesting observation.
One-way LHR-HKG (CX and BA: Available)
One-way MAD-LHR-HKG (BA-CX: Available)
One-way EZE-LHR-HKG (BA-CX: CX flights showed as Unavail. BA-BA: Available)
Anyone heard/experienced something similar?
Friend wanna to redeem HKG-(CX)-oMAD-(IB)-oEZE-(BA)-xLHR-(CX)-HKG
All sectors are shown available on CX/BAEC websites. When creating the booking, the agent insisted that the last segment LHR-HKG on CX flight cannot be ticketed as transit. Obviously he doesn't want to stopover in LHR and paying the outrageous UK APD. OTOH, the agent suggested to travel on BA aircraft in the last segment which the booking can be created.
From CX website, there is an interesting observation.
One-way LHR-HKG (CX and BA: Available)
One-way MAD-LHR-HKG (BA-CX: Available)
One-way EZE-LHR-HKG (BA-CX: CX flights showed as Unavail. BA-BA: Available)
Anyone heard/experienced something similar?
May 13, 2018, 9:39 pm
#670
Ambassador, Hong Kong and Macau
Join Date: May 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: Non-top tier Asia Miles member
Posts: 19,803
Just "learnt" a new restriction when making a multi-carrier award redemption.
Friend wanna to redeem HKG-(CX)-oMAD-(IB)-oEZE-(BA)-xLHR-(CX)-HKG
All sectors are shown available on CX/BAEC websites. When creating the booking, the agent insisted that the last segment LHR-HKG on CX flight cannot be ticketed as transit. Obviously he doesn't want to stopover in LHR and paying the outrageous UK APD. OTOH, the agent suggested to travel on BA aircraft in the last segment which the booking can be created.
From CX website, there is an interesting observation.
One-way LHR-HKG (CX and BA: Available)
One-way MAD-LHR-HKG (BA-CX: Available)
One-way EZE-LHR-HKG (BA-CX: CX flights showed as Unavail. BA-BA: Available)
Anyone heard/experienced something similar?
Friend wanna to redeem HKG-(CX)-oMAD-(IB)-oEZE-(BA)-xLHR-(CX)-HKG
All sectors are shown available on CX/BAEC websites. When creating the booking, the agent insisted that the last segment LHR-HKG on CX flight cannot be ticketed as transit. Obviously he doesn't want to stopover in LHR and paying the outrageous UK APD. OTOH, the agent suggested to travel on BA aircraft in the last segment which the booking can be created.
From CX website, there is an interesting observation.
One-way LHR-HKG (CX and BA: Available)
One-way MAD-LHR-HKG (BA-CX: Available)
One-way EZE-LHR-HKG (BA-CX: CX flights showed as Unavail. BA-BA: Available)
Anyone heard/experienced something similar?
I could've transit in theory. But I didn't ask agent to.
Star-crossed again? Especially the system doesn't allow it - so weird.
May 14, 2018, 11:56 pm
#672
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: ORD [formerly] + HKG
Programs: CX Diamond, AA exExPlat, BAEC exGold, HH Diamond, Hyatt Globalist, Starriott Titanium, GE
Posts: 2,966
Struggling to get something in case the devaluation happens soon. How's this itinerary for 160,000/235,000 in J/F?
CDG-oHKG-oLHR-oZRH-oHKG-LHR//BCN-CDG
CX, CX, BA, CX, CX, IB. 24,709 according to CX website. Will I have any issues going through HKG and LHR twice (/taking the HKG-LHR flight twice?)
Suppose the first 3-4 flights are in 10-12 months time. The last one in (say) 18. I read above and saw that CX would let me hold the seats, but for 6 more months? If only CX flights can be held I wonder if I can tell them to consider LHR-ZRH a surface sector first and I add it back later.
Additional brainstorming for the next band...
CDG-oHKG-oLHR-oZRH-oHKG-LHR//BCN-LHR//HKG-oHND-xHKG-xLHR-CDG
34,691 (CX, CX, BA, CX, CX, IB, CX, CX, CX, BA)
CDG-oHKG-oLHR-oZRH-oHKG-LHR//BCN-CDG
CX, CX, BA, CX, CX, IB. 24,709 according to CX website. Will I have any issues going through HKG and LHR twice (/taking the HKG-LHR flight twice?)
Suppose the first 3-4 flights are in 10-12 months time. The last one in (say) 18. I read above and saw that CX would let me hold the seats, but for 6 more months? If only CX flights can be held I wonder if I can tell them to consider LHR-ZRH a surface sector first and I add it back later.
Additional brainstorming for the next band...
CDG-oHKG-oLHR-oZRH-oHKG-LHR//BCN-LHR//HKG-oHND-xHKG-xLHR-CDG
34,691 (CX, CX, BA, CX, CX, IB, CX, CX, CX, BA)
I also had just 300 AM in my account. No 70% rule BS. I guess I was lucky.
May 15, 2018, 12:16 am
#673
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: HK
Posts: 103
Just a heads up, I was able to partly confirm my itinerary, for all the legs within 12 months. Agent implied no deadline for CX sectors, the deadline was set by BA. (Well, I 'promised' that I would issue some time before August...) What I have to do is just call back by then and ask them to ask BA for further extension - she even suggested that since there were so many LHR-ZRH flights, I could just confirm on another one and BA would grant them another deadline, just rinse and repeat. No issues at all with the routing.
I also had just 300 AM in my account. No 70% rule BS. I guess I was lucky.
I also had just 300 AM in my account. No 70% rule BS. I guess I was lucky.
May 15, 2018, 3:30 am
#674
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: ORD [formerly] + HKG
Programs: CX Diamond, AA exExPlat, BAEC exGold, HH Diamond, Hyatt Globalist, Starriott Titanium, GE
Posts: 2,966
I don't think it is related to DM. Since I have not issued the ticket, there is no way they can charge me a fee for 'reissuing' a ticket, when there is no issued ticket to begin with.