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oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards Wiki v0.1
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
Rules
1. You need two non CX/KA carriers
2. You are allowed 5 stopovers, 2 transits (<=24hrs) and 2 open jaws. You can use your stopover allowance as a transit, possibly by asking for it to be ticketed as such (extra taxes?). [Using stopover for transit is no longer possible since 2021/22?]
3. The open-jaw points do not count towards your stopover allowance. Neither does the final city on the itinerary
4. You must start and end in the same country.
5. To determine the miles required, add up all flight sectors on your itinerary and look up the award chart (ignore the distance between open-jaw points). gcmap.com is handy, though best to go via asiamiles' calculator.
6. Co-terminals (NRT/HND, LHR/LCY) do not count as an open-jaw (takes up 1 stopover/transit allowance).
If an itinerary clears the above, it is valid, though you may have to argue a lot back and forth. Keep your patience suit on and and keep referring to the terms & conditions ("What in the T&Cs makes this invalid" tends to work).
For the examples below, x=transit, o=stopover, and capitalized alphabets represent airports.
Some valid routings that have commonly been pushed back on
1. "You cannot go through the start, destination, or enroute point more than once". A-oB-oA-oC-oD-A is a valid itinerary.
2. "An open-jaw point is a stopover". A-oB-oC-D//E-oF-G//H-oI-oJ-A is valid, as is A-oB-xC-D//E-oF-G//H-xI-oJ-oK-oL-A.
Other tips
1. Tickets are valid for 1 year from the date of issuance. Potentially a pain when planning that dream RTW trip involving LATAM/AA which release seats 330 days out, that you're trying to tee-in with CX award seats released a year out.
2. A combination of BA/AA/LATAM/QF sites works well to research availability (look for saver availability)
3. You can go crazy on the routings- A-oB-A//C-oD-C//E-A is fine if A,B,E are in country/Region # 1, and, C,D are at the other end of the world.
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards - sharing ideas
May 29, 14, 11:21 am
#1
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: CX Diamond / SQ Gold / Bonvoy Platinum / Hyatt Globalist / Hilton Gold
Posts: 1,096
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards - sharing ideas
One of my favorite ways to spend my hard-earned Asiamiles is by redeeming oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards. They are great value compared to redeeming point-to-point round trips on CX.
Perhaps we can share our past redemptions so that others may get inspiration and ideas for their own trips? (Thank you to jagmeets for encouraging me to share my redemption history )
I'll start with my list since 2007. All in J or F (apart from AA domestic which is in Y if you have a OW J ticket, and AB which doesn't have J for some flights).
Don't ask me how many Asiamiles - I can't remember how much they were, but all were extremely good value and some were bargains! I think I left out one or two trips, but here are most of them:
HKG-LHR-EZE-JFK-HKG (CX, BA, AA)
HKG-LHR-MIA-LIM // UIO-LIM-JFK-NRT-HKG (CX, BA, AA, LA, JL)
HKG-JFK-SCL-PUQ-SCL-IPC-SCL-JFK-HKG (CX, AA, LA)
TPE-HKG-MXP-MAD-HAV // CUN-JFK-HKG-TPE (CX, IB, AA) - [CUN-JFK cancelled by AA during the trip due to illegal HAV flight, later compensated by CX]
TPE-NGO // HND-HKG-LHR-GIG // GRU-LHR-JFK-HKG-TPE (CX, BA, AA)
HKG-HEL-OSL-LHR-HKG (CX, AY, BA)
HKG-HEL-IVL-HEL-LHR-HKG (CX, AY, BA)
HKG-LHR-JFK-YYC // YVR-HKG (CX, BA, AA)
HKG-LHR-ORD-LAX-HKG (CX, BA, AA)
HKG-FRA-TXL-DOH-HKG (CX, AB, QR)
There was also one involving RJ to AMM but I can't find the e-ticket.
Perhaps we can share our past redemptions so that others may get inspiration and ideas for their own trips? (Thank you to jagmeets for encouraging me to share my redemption history )
I'll start with my list since 2007. All in J or F (apart from AA domestic which is in Y if you have a OW J ticket, and AB which doesn't have J for some flights).
Don't ask me how many Asiamiles - I can't remember how much they were, but all were extremely good value and some were bargains! I think I left out one or two trips, but here are most of them:
HKG-LHR-EZE-JFK-HKG (CX, BA, AA)
HKG-LHR-MIA-LIM // UIO-LIM-JFK-NRT-HKG (CX, BA, AA, LA, JL)
HKG-JFK-SCL-PUQ-SCL-IPC-SCL-JFK-HKG (CX, AA, LA)
TPE-HKG-MXP-MAD-HAV // CUN-JFK-HKG-TPE (CX, IB, AA) - [CUN-JFK cancelled by AA during the trip due to illegal HAV flight, later compensated by CX]
TPE-NGO // HND-HKG-LHR-GIG // GRU-LHR-JFK-HKG-TPE (CX, BA, AA)
HKG-HEL-OSL-LHR-HKG (CX, AY, BA)
HKG-HEL-IVL-HEL-LHR-HKG (CX, AY, BA)
HKG-LHR-JFK-YYC // YVR-HKG (CX, BA, AA)
HKG-LHR-ORD-LAX-HKG (CX, BA, AA)
HKG-FRA-TXL-DOH-HKG (CX, AB, QR)
There was also one involving RJ to AMM but I can't find the e-ticket.
May 29, 14, 8:23 pm
#4
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: SIN
Programs: CX DM, SQ KF
Posts: 2,092
2 here::
1) LAX-oLIM-EZE//GRU-xLIM-oLAX-oSFO-LAX (LA, AA)
- 115K Asiamiles in J each (had 2 tickets), when a straight LAX-oLIM-EZE//GRU-xLIM-LAX would have cost 120K, and there was a small chance that I would be able to use the 'dump' LAX-SFO-vv sectors at a later date.
- you CAN go through the origin city (LAX) and continue with the award ticket. Although I ended up cancelling the above award, I used this as a reference when ticketing pushed back for the next ticket (#2)
2) SFO-xHKG-oDEL-xKUL-oSIN-xHKG-SFO//SJU-xDFW-SFO (CX, MH, AA)
- 160K Asiamiles in J each (2 tickets for Sis/nephew visiting folks in India and me in SIN), when a straight SFO-India/SIN/OpenJaw would have been 145K Asiamiles. However, a) they got a lie-flat for India-SIN (rather than ponying up ~USD550 or 300ish each in biz or coach, if that segment had been a revenue ticket), and, there was a decent chance of break to Puerto Rico later in the year.
- you CAN use a stopover as a transit
1) LAX-oLIM-EZE//GRU-xLIM-oLAX-oSFO-LAX (LA, AA)
- 115K Asiamiles in J each (had 2 tickets), when a straight LAX-oLIM-EZE//GRU-xLIM-LAX would have cost 120K, and there was a small chance that I would be able to use the 'dump' LAX-SFO-vv sectors at a later date.
- you CAN go through the origin city (LAX) and continue with the award ticket. Although I ended up cancelling the above award, I used this as a reference when ticketing pushed back for the next ticket (#2)
2) SFO-xHKG-oDEL-xKUL-oSIN-xHKG-SFO//SJU-xDFW-SFO (CX, MH, AA)
- 160K Asiamiles in J each (2 tickets for Sis/nephew visiting folks in India and me in SIN), when a straight SFO-India/SIN/OpenJaw would have been 145K Asiamiles. However, a) they got a lie-flat for India-SIN (rather than ponying up ~USD550 or 300ish each in biz or coach, if that segment had been a revenue ticket), and, there was a decent chance of break to Puerto Rico later in the year.
- you CAN use a stopover as a transit
Dec 3, 14, 7:16 am
#5
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 10
Hi team
My two data points are:
1. PER-HKG-AMM-TLV // AMM-LHR-JFK-LHR-MAD-EAS // ALG-DOH-PER --> this one took a lot of yelling, screaming and stress to get past the call centre and then ticketing. The issue I had was counting transfers as stopovers. Eventually got there.
2. PER-HKG-PVG-HKG-JFK-ORD-YYZ-HKG-PER-HKG-PER --> another example of returning to origin (PER) and then tacking on further flights.
In both instances I spent hours with the call centre trying to find J availability on CX and partner airlines. I hear that it is best to do your homework on availability first. But how do you do this? What engines, programs, websites are best to do this?
Hoping jagmeets and Psychiatrist see my post
Thanks
My two data points are:
1. PER-HKG-AMM-TLV // AMM-LHR-JFK-LHR-MAD-EAS // ALG-DOH-PER --> this one took a lot of yelling, screaming and stress to get past the call centre and then ticketing. The issue I had was counting transfers as stopovers. Eventually got there.
2. PER-HKG-PVG-HKG-JFK-ORD-YYZ-HKG-PER-HKG-PER --> another example of returning to origin (PER) and then tacking on further flights.
In both instances I spent hours with the call centre trying to find J availability on CX and partner airlines. I hear that it is best to do your homework on availability first. But how do you do this? What engines, programs, websites are best to do this?
Hoping jagmeets and Psychiatrist see my post
Thanks
Dec 3, 14, 7:30 am
#6
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: CX Diamond / SQ Gold / Bonvoy Platinum / Hyatt Globalist / Hilton Gold
Posts: 1,096
Hi team
My two data points are:
1. PER-HKG-AMM-TLV // AMM-LHR-JFK-LHR-MAD-EAS // ALG-DOH-PER --> this one took a lot of yelling, screaming and stress to get past the call centre and then ticketing. The issue I had was counting transfers as stopovers. Eventually got there.
2. PER-HKG-PVG-HKG-JFK-ORD-YYZ-HKG-PER-HKG-PER --> another example of returning to origin (PER) and then tacking on further flights.
In both instances I spent hours with the call centre trying to find J availability on CX and partner airlines. I hear that it is best to do your homework on availability first. But how do you do this? What engines, programs, websites are best to do this?
Hoping jagmeets and Psychiatrist see my post
Thanks
My two data points are:
1. PER-HKG-AMM-TLV // AMM-LHR-JFK-LHR-MAD-EAS // ALG-DOH-PER --> this one took a lot of yelling, screaming and stress to get past the call centre and then ticketing. The issue I had was counting transfers as stopovers. Eventually got there.
2. PER-HKG-PVG-HKG-JFK-ORD-YYZ-HKG-PER-HKG-PER --> another example of returning to origin (PER) and then tacking on further flights.
In both instances I spent hours with the call centre trying to find J availability on CX and partner airlines. I hear that it is best to do your homework on availability first. But how do you do this? What engines, programs, websites are best to do this?
Hoping jagmeets and Psychiatrist see my post
Thanks
I search the following:
- CX website for CX availability (obviously!)
- BA website for OW partner availability
- AA website for AA availability (does not require signing up online for AA account)
- LAN website for LAN availability.
If a flight is available on the BA/AA/LAN website, it *should* be available for redemption via CX, but that's not always the case.
Last edited by Psychiatrist; Dec 3, 14 at 8:10 am
Dec 3, 14, 7:49 am
#7
Ambassador, Hong Kong and Macau
Join Date: May 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: FQTR CX FTQS JL FQTV TBD
Posts: 18,947
BAEC and QF FF in addition to CX.
BAEC is really the go-to source for partner availability including connections. QF FF can generate month-long availability view on individual segments.
In the long run you might want to invest in KVS as an alternative front-end for these FFP search engines.
Psychiatrist: is there any sort of treatment or MP Call Centre Abuse Anonymous support groups perthtraveller and I should join? The http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/catha...difficult.html almost drove me out of my mind (and I admit probably some agents out of theirs), I asked a (non-FT) psychiatrist school friend of mine whether I'm OCD or OPCD...
BAEC is really the go-to source for partner availability including connections. QF FF can generate month-long availability view on individual segments.
In the long run you might want to invest in KVS as an alternative front-end for these FFP search engines.
Psychiatrist: is there any sort of treatment or MP Call Centre Abuse Anonymous support groups perthtraveller and I should join? The http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/catha...difficult.html almost drove me out of my mind (and I admit probably some agents out of theirs), I asked a (non-FT) psychiatrist school friend of mine whether I'm OCD or OPCD...
Last edited by percysmith; Dec 3, 14 at 7:58 am
Dec 3, 14, 8:12 am
#8
Original Poster
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: CX Diamond / SQ Gold / Bonvoy Platinum / Hyatt Globalist / Hilton Gold
Posts: 1,096
BAEC and QF FF in addition to CX.
BAEC is really the go-to source for partner availability including connections. QF FF can generate month-long availability view on individual segments.
In the long run you might want to invest in KVS as an alternative front-end for these FFP search engines.
Psychiatrist: is there any sort of treatment or MP Call Centre Abuse Anonymous support groups perthtraveller and I should join? The http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/catha...difficult.html almost drove me out of my mind (and I admit probably some agents out of theirs), I asked a (non-FT) psychiatrist school friend of mine whether I'm OCD or OPCD...
BAEC is really the go-to source for partner availability including connections. QF FF can generate month-long availability view on individual segments.
In the long run you might want to invest in KVS as an alternative front-end for these FFP search engines.
Psychiatrist: is there any sort of treatment or MP Call Centre Abuse Anonymous support groups perthtraveller and I should join? The http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/catha...difficult.html almost drove me out of my mind (and I admit probably some agents out of theirs), I asked a (non-FT) psychiatrist school friend of mine whether I'm OCD or OPCD...
i probably say that because i do the same things you do!
Dec 3, 14, 11:16 am
#10
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: SIN
Programs: CX DM, SQ KF
Posts: 2,092
oneworld Multi-Carrier Awards - sharing ideas
Long time KVS user here, one who's looking for options in light of the recent events (KVS still works great for awards, but I need fare class availability too!)
Dec 3, 14, 8:17 pm
#13
Suspended
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: SYD
Programs: QFF SG, VA SL, MR Plat, SPG Plat, HH Diamond
Posts: 445
I prefer to use QF for availability search as you get the full month availability view plus confirmation the itinerary is valid when it swaps from Classic to Oneworld award.
Dec 5, 14, 5:02 am
#14
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 10
Thanks team!
So what we're saying is use CX, BA, AA, LAN and QF unless you have KVS...?
Would using the 5 OW search engines above be a "comprehensive" search of all OW availability? I have used QR and RJ in my prior itineraries so do find these carriers important.
Also, is the only way to use KVS on a MAC via a paid subscription of Crossover? This seems really tedious and expensive. Any other options here?
Cheers everyone!
So what we're saying is use CX, BA, AA, LAN and QF unless you have KVS...?
Would using the 5 OW search engines above be a "comprehensive" search of all OW availability? I have used QR and RJ in my prior itineraries so do find these carriers important.
Also, is the only way to use KVS on a MAC via a paid subscription of Crossover? This seems really tedious and expensive. Any other options here?
Cheers everyone!
