May 24, 2018, 4:03 am
Last edit by: percysmith
New links:
New redemption engine: https://www.asiamiles.com/en/redeem-awards/flight-awards/facade.html
(alternatively https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_HK/book-a-trip/redeem-flights/facade.html for MPO members)
New redemption charts (CX and KA only): https://www.asiamiles.com/en/redeem-awards/flight-awards/flight-award-chart.html
New partner redemption mileage requirement: https://www.asiamiles.com/en/afr.html
Asia Miles changes microsite:
https://www.asiamiles.com/change/
New Terms and Conditions:
https://www.asiamiles.com/change/en/updatedterms.html
New redemption engine: https://www.asiamiles.com/en/redeem-awards/flight-awards/facade.html
(alternatively https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_HK/book-a-trip/redeem-flights/facade.html for MPO members)
New redemption charts (CX and KA only): https://www.asiamiles.com/en/redeem-awards/flight-awards/flight-award-chart.html
New partner redemption mileage requirement: https://www.asiamiles.com/en/afr.html
Asia Miles changes microsite:
https://www.asiamiles.com/change/
New Terms and Conditions:
https://www.asiamiles.com/change/en/updatedterms.html
Asia Miles Changes effective 22 June 2018
Jul 9, 2018, 12:16 am
#391
Ambassador, Hong Kong and Macau
Original Poster
Join Date: May 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: Non-top tier Asia Miles member
Posts: 19,803
Jul 9, 2018, 1:26 am
#393
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 189
I have made many redemptions before and I never have a problem with availability on normal days (Yes, I can live with no availability over HK public holidays).
Even then, on heavily booked public holidays, you can sometimes get by with a Business Class redemption. Now Asia miles just make it worse.
So, tell me what's the point of flying CX anymore?
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Making it difficult for freq flier to maintain tier, isolated Terminal 4 at Changi, consistently lousy inflight meals, hardly any upgrades for the past 4 months, 10-Abreast seating......and now devaluing all my hard-earned Asia Miles ......
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Even then, on heavily booked public holidays, you can sometimes get by with a Business Class redemption. Now Asia miles just make it worse.
So, tell me what's the point of flying CX anymore?
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. Making it difficult for freq flier to maintain tier, isolated Terminal 4 at Changi, consistently lousy inflight meals, hardly any upgrades for the past 4 months, 10-Abreast seating......and now devaluing all my hard-earned Asia Miles ......
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Last edited by Audio; Jul 9, 2018 at 1:35 am
Jul 9, 2018, 1:49 am
#394
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 189
Even before this recent devaluation, I was turned off from CX when they dropped F service from all the SFO-HKG flights. Used to be you had your choice of F in the 744 or 773, with a mid-day flight. Now, the only F service out of SFO is a red-eye 773...
Jul 9, 2018, 11:12 pm
#395
Join Date: Jun 2018
Programs: Asiamiles, HHonor,
Posts: 8
I am wondering if the recent harder and harder seats redemption is caused by the selling of huge volume of Asia Miles to banks ? ...... and its being one revenue source of CX now by "quantitative easing" award miles. The consequential increase of award seats demand allows CX to increase its award seats price ..
Jul 9, 2018, 11:26 pm
#396
Join Date: May 2006
Location: SIN
Programs: KF, MPC, BAEC // Bonvoy, WoH, Honors
Posts: 1,464
I'm searching for award seats HKG-SIN on random dates in September and finding nothing -- across all cabins. Is this the situation now? In the past there was availability on nearly every flight between HK and Singapore if booking a couple of months out.
How is Asia Miles not being held responsible - or at the very least being pushed by local media on this? Not only have they devalued the miles -- they've stripped availability immensely.
How is Asia Miles not being held responsible - or at the very least being pushed by local media on this? Not only have they devalued the miles -- they've stripped availability immensely.
Jul 10, 2018, 12:24 am
#397
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Hong Kong
Programs: Lowly CX & IHG
Posts: 382
I'm searching for award seats HKG-SIN on random dates in September and finding nothing -- across all cabins. Is this the situation now? In the past there was availability on nearly every flight between HK and Singapore if booking a couple of months out.
How is Asia Miles not being held responsible - or at the very least being pushed by local media on this? Not only have they devalued the miles -- they've stripped availability immensely.
How is Asia Miles not being held responsible - or at the very least being pushed by local media on this? Not only have they devalued the miles -- they've stripped availability immensely.
Jul 10, 2018, 2:57 am
#398
Suspended
Join Date: May 2006
Location: HKG
Programs: A3, TK *G; JL JGC; SPG,Hilton Gold
Posts: 9,952
Got a shock doing a redemption flight today. It was 25,000 miles for a HKG-SIN-HKG return previously and now it is 40,000!! (20,000 per sector). Business Class was 50,000 miles return, now it is 114,000 miles!!
Simply ridiculous!! I will be leaving OneWorld. I will now fly SQ instead of CX.
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Simply ridiculous!! I will be leaving OneWorld. I will now fly SQ instead of CX.
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Business class is really bad. i think Avios would be cheaper if the award space exist. (That said, business class CASH fare went down for the last 10-15 years)
Jul 10, 2018, 10:00 am
#399
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 1,337
Jul 10, 2018, 10:30 am
#400
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 189
The flight award planner does show availability of standard award mostly in early-Sept, and I found availability in say Sep 4(Y,W)-7(Y-J) or 19-22(Y-J) in booking site. Availability doesn't look good for weekend trip or many other dates. No experience to say if/how it's worsened.
According to the AM website, these days should have availability...
The reality is more like this.
Jul 10, 2018, 7:52 pm
#401
Ambassador, Hong Kong and Macau
Original Poster
Join Date: May 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: Non-top tier Asia Miles member
Posts: 19,803
For those more visual people, here's a chart comparison of CX F award availability:
SFO-HKG First Awards (Old on left, New on right)
Last minute availability for 1 week out is improved, but overall much less inventory. The good news is, if you look out about 6 months, "First Standard" availability is pretty decent. There's considerably more "Business Choice" availability for next 60 days too, which wasn't there before. If you mainly redeem far out in advance, or at the very last minute, maybe these changes are positive for you (and I'm just extrapolating, based on SFO-HKG, I haven't looked in detail at other routes).
First / Business award availability: Jul 2018 - Jul 2019
SFO-HKG First Awards (Old on left, New on right)
Last minute availability for 1 week out is improved, but overall much less inventory. The good news is, if you look out about 6 months, "First Standard" availability is pretty decent. There's considerably more "Business Choice" availability for next 60 days too, which wasn't there before. If you mainly redeem far out in advance, or at the very last minute, maybe these changes are positive for you (and I'm just extrapolating, based on SFO-HKG, I haven't looked in detail at other routes).
First / Business award availability: Jul 2018 - Jul 2019
Managed to install. Many thanks!
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trav...ventory-2.html
Last edited by percysmith; Jul 10, 2018 at 8:06 pm
Jul 10, 2018, 8:23 pm
#402
Join Date: May 2006
Location: SIN
Programs: KF, MPC, BAEC // Bonvoy, WoH, Honors
Posts: 1,464
Does anyone know if the complete absence of any award seats to partners (like BA or QF) is just a temporary glitch or if this is now going to be the situation moving forward? I definitely prefer CX/AM to have priority access to these seats and partner availability should be secondary, but I still have a pretty sizable batch of Avios that I was using for last minute intra-Asia CX bookings that I now may have to find another way of using.
Jul 10, 2018, 8:30 pm
#404
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 189
Does anyone know if the complete absence of any award seats to partners (like BA or QF) is just a temporary glitch or if this is now going to be the situation moving forward? I definitely prefer CX/AM to have priority access to these seats and partner availability should be secondary, but I still have a pretty sizable batch of Avios that I was using for last minute intra-Asia CX bookings that I now may have to find another way of using.
Jul 10, 2018, 8:30 pm
#405
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2004
Programs: CX Green, QF Platinum, BAEC Silver, Hyatt Glob
Posts: 10,780
Does anyone know if the complete absence of any award seats to partners (like BA or QF) is just a temporary glitch or if this is now going to be the situation moving forward? I definitely prefer CX/AM to have priority access to these seats and partner availability should be secondary, but I still have a pretty sizable batch of Avios that I was using for last minute intra-Asia CX bookings that I now may have to find another way of using.