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Old Oct 29, 2013, 4:27 am
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Is it possible to buy a (cheap) upgrade on Cathay Pacific upon check-in?

The short answer is no.

Cathay, as a general rule, does not allow you to purchase last minute upgrades if there are empty seats in Y+, J or F. The only way to upgrade a ticket is to pay the fare difference between your current ticket, and an available fare class in the higher cabins. Note that if your current ticket has restrictions (cancellation fees, non-refundable) these still apply.

There are been stories of people who have been offered cheap upgrades by Cathay, but this is more an exception than a common occurrence.


If I upgrade my ticket using asia miles, do I still earn miles?

Yes, you will earn miles for the original fare class that you booked, not the upgraded cabin.

How do I get a free upgrade / operational upgrade (op-up)?
Cathay Pacific does not upgrade passengers just because there are empty seats in higher classes. Upgrades will only occur where there is overbooking in lower classes.

The order of upgrades when required is believed to be:
  1. VIP (Heads of State, Government Bodies, or Canto Pop/Movie stars)
  2. CX Diamond Plus
  3. CX Diamond Invitation, Diamond
  4. CX Gold
  5. CX management staff on travel duty
  6. oneworld Emerald
  7. CX staff on duty nominees , other airline staff nominees, CX staff on personal travel
  8. oneworld Sapphire
  9. CX Silver
  10. oneworld Ruby
  11. CX Green
  12. Asia Miles
  13. Non status
In the event of a tiebreak being needed, generally those with lower "Boarding Numbers" will take precedence (lower BN takes priority). The earlier you check in, the lower your BN. Asking for an upgrade at check-in will not work, so don't. This is definitely one case of where "if you don't ask, you don't get", does NOT apply. The amount you paid for your ticket or the fare class of your ticket does not appear to affect your upgrade chances.


I am travelling on an award ticket. Will I still be considered for a free upgrade?

Yes - there are many stories of passengers on award tickets, or who upgraded a class using miles, getting (additional) upgrades.



What happens if the aircraft has 4 or 3 cabins, but is only selling Business and Economy seats?

It is likely if you have Marco Polo status, and to a lesser extent oneworld status, you may be able to sit in either First Class seats (if booked in J) or Premium Economy (if booked in Y) with service of the original cabin. There doesn't appear to be consistency yet as to how these semi-upgrades are allocated. Some people have been able to choose seats in the higher cabin during online check-in, or some will get them on request at check-in. However, there is no entitlement to these seats.


Will I get an upgrade on my Birthday, or for my membership anniversary, or for reaching xx number of lifetime club miles?

Please see this link for members' experience with these kinds of upgrades: Marco Polo Anniversary Upgrades


I want to use Asia Miles to upgrade a BA flight. How do I do this?

As of 22 June 2018, it is no longer possible to upgrade BA flights with Asia Miles.


How do I upgrade a CX flight using miles?

If you already have issued your original ticket:
  1. Try upgrading using Manage My Booking on the website (not always successful)
  2. If self-service doesn't work, try calling Marco Polo hotline to check availability
  3. If there is availability, you will need to issue the upgrade immediately to secure it. They may give you a few days grace before isssuing the upgrade, but this is now rarely given.
  4. In a few days, or longer if they are busy, your miles will be deducted, and you will be emailed a new e-ticket with the upgrade class details on it, and your online booking for your original booking class will disappear.

If you have not made any booking yet, and you want to check availability:
  1. Call Marco Polo club to check for availability on the flights/dates you want, or check for normal redemption availability on the website.
  2. Book a revenue ticket in the class of service for which you will be paying. Do NOT do this via the website -- call a CX telephone sales number/travel agent.
  3. Put the booking on hold.
  4. Call the Marco Polo/Asia Miles Service Center. Have them book the upgrade and give you a deadline to have the ticket issued. (It's usually about 72 hours).
  5. Have telephone sales/travel agent issue your revenue ticket.
  6. Call Marco Polo/Asia Miles back. Give them the revenue ticket number against the PNR and ask them to issue your upgrade.
  7. In about two or three days, you'll get a new ticket with the upgrade showing.

If you don't receive a new e-ticket before departure, call up Marco Polo club to double check if the upgrade has been issued.
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Old Mar 1, 2023 | 10:42 am
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Originally Posted by matio_svk
First time flying with CX, so I would be grateful to have my expectations set realistic...
Snatched a good premium eco fare to HKG from Europe for end of April and I am interested in mile-upgrading LHR-HKG (wishful thinking ) with Asia Miles, I was told by the CX hotline, that an upgrade to C would cost 25k oneway (which is fine), but there is no availability at the moment...
Give that I have no experience with CX, is it even realistic that some inventory will open up and if so, is there some pattern (weeks before, lastminute..etc) of I should just check every day..

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You can waitlist, assuming you have miles readily available.
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Old Mar 1, 2023 | 1:08 pm
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Originally Posted by ernestnywang
You can waitlist, assuming you have miles readily available.
I have a credit card with points which can transfer to CX points, but I find it risky to transfer them until I would use them
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Old Mar 1, 2023 | 7:24 pm
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Originally Posted by matio_svk
First time flying with CX, so I would be grateful to have my expectations set realistic...
Snatched a good premium eco fare to HKG from Europe for end of April and I am interested in mile-upgrading LHR-HKG (wishful thinking ) with Asia Miles, I was told by the CX hotline, that an upgrade to C would cost 25k oneway (which is fine), but there is no availability at the moment...
Give that I have no experience with CX, is it even realistic that some inventory will open up and if so, is there some pattern (weeks before, lastminute..etc) of I should just check every day..

Thanks
What was the price you paid for the return if I may ask?
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Old Mar 2, 2023 | 6:04 am
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Originally Posted by mach9103
What was the price you paid for the return if I may ask?
VIE>LHR>HKG>LHR>VIE, around 770 Euros RT, imho very good price for premium eco
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Old Mar 2, 2023 | 6:11 am
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Originally Posted by matio_svk
VIE>LHR>HKG>LHR>VIE, around 770 Euros RT, imho very good price for premium eco
Yeah that is a really good price. I rarely see PE below ~1300 EUR, even economy class tickets to AMS (Schiphol) start at like 1000 EUR.
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Old Mar 27, 2023 | 12:23 am
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I have an upgrade certification to use (mid-tier benefit). ExpertFlyer showing F1A0. I have submitted an online request and had it denied. Is it worth to submit again closer to the date? Any magical timeframe or is F class never going to clear? Thanks.
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Old Mar 28, 2023 | 8:51 am
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If you have EF then just set an alert for A class and check in periodically.
Do note that if it's within 72 hours then you'd be out of luck...
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Old Mar 28, 2023 | 9:55 pm
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Originally Posted by beach86
I have an upgrade certification to use (mid-tier benefit). ExpertFlyer showing F1A0. I have submitted an online request and had it denied. Is it worth to submit again closer to the date? Any magical timeframe or is F class never going to clear? Thanks.
I suggest to phone the agent, play " I am DM" card, and politely request agent to release a first class seat for you.
CX might surprise you. ( It works for me most of time anyway. )
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Old May 16, 2023 | 9:21 pm
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what is the average waitlist time these days to see if an upgrade request has been successful?
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Old May 16, 2023 | 9:56 pm
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Originally Posted by wyskevin
I suggest to phone the agent, play " I am DM" card, and politely request agent to release a first class seat for you.
CX might surprise you. ( It works for me most of time anyway. )
Depends from agent to agent by asking nicely if an award seat can be released for a DM does work from time to time.
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Old Jun 27, 2023 | 5:54 am
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Is there a minimum time you have to wait after making a cash booking before you can upgrade with Asia Miles? I've just booked Economy seats on flights that have Premium Economy redemption availability, but when I rang up Cathay they said that there is only waitlist availability, but also told me that upgrades and award flights come from the same inventory. So it makes no sense that I can see availability for a new booking but only waitlist for an upgrade... Unless I have to wait?

Also, I tried the "ring up and get a booking put on hold" as suggested in the wiki on this thread, but got stuck in an endless loop being passed between the new bookings team ("we can't process the upgrade, you need to speak to the awards team") and the awards team ("you need a confirmed booking before we can process your upgrade"). What a waste of time...
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Old Jun 27, 2023 | 3:01 pm
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Cabin class upgrades are from a different fare code bucket than straight award tix in that cabin.

All my J and PEY upgrades are cleared at gate or while I am in the lounge.
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Old Jun 27, 2023 | 9:46 pm
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Originally Posted by Deltus
Is there a minimum time you have to wait after making a cash booking before you can upgrade with Asia Miles? I've just booked Economy seats on flights that have Premium Economy redemption availability, but when I rang up Cathay they said that there is only waitlist availability, but also told me that upgrades and award flights come from the same inventory. So it makes no sense that I can see availability for a new booking but only waitlist for an upgrade... Unless I have to wait?
I think the only minimum time required is for the ticket to issue (which if bought on CX website is usually instant).

I agree with [MENTION=239882]tentseller[/MENTION]s comment. Upgrade inventory and straight redemption come out of a different bucket, even though they will both ticket in the T(PEY)/U(J) fare class.

Originally Posted by Deltus
Also, I tried the "ring up and get a booking put on hold" as suggested in the wiki on this thread, but got stuck in an endless loop being passed between the new bookings team ("we can't process the upgrade, you need to speak to the awards team") and the awards team ("you need a confirmed booking before we can process your upgrade"). What a waste of time...
I think some of the info on the wiki above might be slightly out of date. There had been quite a few policy changes re: upgrades/redemptions/waitlists in the past few years.

Originally Posted by tentseller
Cabin class upgrades are from a different fare code bucket than straight award tix in that cabin.

All my J and PEY upgrades are cleared at gate or while I am in the lounge.
I have always wondered, for airport upgrade redemption, do we require T/U class availability or is it solely governed by unsold/unfilled seats at flight closes.

The odd times I had to wait till the airport to redeem my upgrades (due to no upgrade availability beforehand), it seemed to me that the upgrade clears based on empty seats and not T/U class availability. But I always wonder whether this is the actual policy.
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Old Jun 28, 2023 | 2:11 am
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Originally Posted by etkuo
I think the only minimum time required is for the ticket to issue (which if bought on CX website is usually instant).

I agree with [MENTION=239882]tentseller[/MENTION]s comment. Upgrade inventory and straight redemption come out of a different bucket, even though they will both ticket in the T(PEY)/U(J) fare class.

I think some of the info on the wiki above might be slightly out of date. There had been quite a few policy changes re: upgrades/redemptions/waitlists in the past few years.
Thanks for the replies, interesting to know that upgrade inventory and basic award inventory are not the same - that's the opposite of what I was told by the CX call centre but I think I trust FT wisdom more!

So if I'm currently waitlisted for a miles upgrade from Economy to PEY for my flights in October, is the most likely outcome that the upgrade would clear very close to/on the day of the flight? Or is there a reasonable chance that CX might release the inventory further in advance? Apologies for the basic questions, this is the first time I've redeemed on CX.
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Old Jul 2, 2023 | 1:53 am
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Originally Posted by etkuo
I think the only minimum time required is for the ticket to issue (which if bought on CX website is usually instant).

I agree with [MENTION=239882]tentseller[/MENTION]s comment. Upgrade inventory and straight redemption come out of a different bucket, even though they will both ticket in the T(PEY)/U(J) fare class.


I think some of the info on the wiki above might be slightly out of date. There had been quite a few policy changes re: upgrades/redemptions/waitlists in the past few years.


I have always wondered, for airport upgrade redemption, do we require T/U class availability or is it solely governed by unsold/unfilled seats at flight closes.

The odd times I had to wait till the airport to redeem my upgrades (due to no upgrade availability beforehand), it seemed to me that the upgrade clears based on empty seats and not T/U class availability. But I always wonder whether this is the actual policy.
Officially, T/U/Z class availability is required. See https://www.cathaypacific.com/cx/en_...ade-award.html

Nevertheless, my experience aligns with yours. I suppose they will just make a seat available in award class if needed at the airport.
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