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Sep 30, 2011 | 9:00 am

#31

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Keep in mind also NJ Transit does run from NY Penn to EWR, only 2 stops in between. 25-30 min, with no delays.

Sep 30, 2011 | 9:52 am

#32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by EWRNJ1963

I agree. Had flied 3+ EVA EWR-TPE for 10+ years and definitely will jump to CX if CX enter EWR with daily flight to HKG. It really take me 2 extra hours to JFK if I hire taxi and will take extra 4+ hours if I take EVA's free shuttle to JFK after Oct 31. (Not to mention stress suffer..) Eva shuttle will pick up on 5:15PM at NJ Asian market for 11:50PM flight which is 7 hours before the departure. It is a torture before a long haul flight.

I am one of my 10+ friends (live in NJ)that will choose CX if they enter EWR even I need to have HK connection to TPE . EWR departure means a lot for NJ residents. If CX can not do it, most of us will choose CO which provide various daily flights to Asia. The major reason is EWR departure.

I know of 30+ that would jump myself. People not local will not realize the pain of going to JFK from NJ and PA

Sep 30, 2011 | 10:57 am

#33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Guy Betsy

Doubt it - as CX somewhat needs Oneworld partner AA for feeder traffic, and EWR is not exactly a AA hub.

Agree.

Beside - a new route means more expenses. Why EWR?

(If I could make that decision, I will choose DTW instead).

Sep 30, 2011 | 12:50 pm

#34

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Originally Posted by Cathay Boy

I know of 30+ that would jump myself. People not local will not realize the pain of going to JFK from NJ and PA

I grew up in central NJ about a 40 min drive from EWR. I can probably count on one hand the number of times we flew out of JFK (or LGA for that matter). And we went on a lot of vacations.

If you live in Staten Island or Manhattan you may be relatively indifferent between the two (and that's a large population base), but otherwise you'll have a strong preference for one over the other based on convenience.

Sep 30, 2011 | 12:56 pm

#35

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I just don't think EWR is a big enough market for CX when JFK is so close, I think the next North American route will be DFW.

Sep 30, 2011 | 11:39 pm

#36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cathay Boy

Those "lots of people" have good company to pay for them. Because train from WAS to NYC is easily $80-100 USD one-way, more if you want to take the Acela. Then from Penn Station to JFK if you do AirTrain it's another good 1 hour at least.

So let's see, you need to be at JFK at least 2 hours early, one hour AirTrain from Penn Station to JFK, and another good 3-4 hours from WAS area to NYC. So to board a flight, people in WAS need to budget 7 hours before actual departure time.

Not good...

They don't have companies paying them. They are price-savvy students who want to save a few bucks as there are a lot more choices ex-NYC than ex-WAS for trans-Pacific itineraries.

Oct 1, 2011 | 8:14 am

#37

Mrtnw

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Originally Posted by kaka

really? have you experienced going to LGW(from London, which is further away from London), or know of a connection that does not exist in LHR/CDG(via train) and would bring financial benefits?
I think the only time i went to LGW by car was because it was the only flight that wouldnt break my bank going to PSA and i was getting off at LHR (and got to my friend's place to drop off sth).
it felt like i've gone through 5 of brixtons and clapham before reaching the A3...

Nope... I don`t think LGW will happen, I just said it`s more likely to have a second port in London than in New York. Don`t think either one will happen as there are other cities that make much more sense to serve.

Oct 1, 2011 | 8:50 am

#38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ernestnywang

They don't have companies paying them. They are price-savvy students who want to save a few bucks as there are a lot more choices ex-NYC than ex-WAS for trans-Pacific itineraries.

Good for them. So they are willing to take 7 hour journey to save a few bucks, that's good for them. Reminds me of my college days Grey Hound was the mode of transportation because I want to save gas money and mileage on my car.

But we are talking about convienance here. It's not something business travelers do to save a few bucks.

Oct 1, 2011 | 11:36 am

#39

elitetraveler

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EWR serves quite a big market going South, West and Northwest where JFK doesn't make sense. I was at a CX event awhile back and it sounded like EWR is getting serious consideration - this was pre-ORD announcement - and it was mentioned in the same breath. In fact, it is only one-hour from Philly to EWR Station on Amtrak (I think the same or less from some Philly burbs) so an EWR route isn't just about NYC.

Oct 1, 2011 | 12:34 pm

#40

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From a friend of mine in the flight deck who has more "seniority" than me, It appears that a daily CX 77W service is now confirmed for 1st half of 2012. Hopefully this means I get Cathay Boy's good graces!

Last edited by maortega15; Oct 1, 2011 at 1:21 pm

Oct 1, 2011 | 12:47 pm

#41

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Originally Posted by elitetraveler

EWR is never about sharing market with JFK, I've said this many times. I don't know why some people still think EWR is only about JFK, it isn't.

It's about New Jersey market, East Penn market, Philadelphia market, and even Delaware market. These are golden markets with great amount of white collar people, great amount of people from China, Hong Kong and Taiwan. These are lucrative markets that have great premium cabin potential. Also, there are great amount of people from India too. With CX great transit hub in HKG, great services and reputation, if CX offers EWR I can almost guarantee you the success will be instantaneous, WITHOUT affect JFK market at all.

We have typed many times how hard it is to get to JFK on the other side of Hudson River. Anyway, it's old news now.

Oct 1, 2011 | 12:48 pm

#42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by maortega15

From a friend of mine in the flight deck who has more "seniority" than me, It appears that a daily CX 77W service is now confirmed for 1st half of 2012.

Really? I hope this is true - it would be great news!

Oct 1, 2011 | 12:56 pm

#43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cathay Boy

It's like what BA, LH, AF, etc. are doing. JFK is still their majority focus but caters to EWR for similar reasons. Tolls and traffic from NJ PA, etc to JFK are hell.

Oct 1, 2011 | 2:11 pm

#44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cathay Boy

Speaking of Philadephia market....anyone know why Philly International Airport has no Asian airliner? Just curious. Is it because there's not enough demand? Or is it because of how close it is to EWR/JFK?