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tcook052 Nov 30, 2025 8:20 pm


Originally Posted by Heyden (Post 37455727)
That might be accurate if the decline were over a longer period not in a single year. This one's on Trump.

Completely agree as the notion that boomers aging out of U.S. travel is even a factor in the steep decline in cross-border travel stat's seen since the anti-Canada rhetoric ramped up early this year completely ignores the reality of the travel boycott which is that's it's overwhelmingly due to that rhetoric and not other imagined reasons.

Poll after poll of Canadians since Feb. such as this one has found much the same thing, that 60% or more of respondents surveyed indicated they're staying away from U.S. because of the political tensions created by Trump & his administration. Not travel costs, the exchange rate, or bailing boomers but politics.

Unless and until the political situation changes markedly I don't see the U.S. travel boycott by Canadians softening much, especially if the periodic 51st state rhetoric continues.

Symmetre Dec 1, 2025 9:24 am


Originally Posted by Heyden (Post 37455727)
That might be accurate if the decline were over a longer period not in a single year. This one's on Trump.

I agree he's the camel that broke the straw's back. But it's not him alone. He's only the face of a broader issue.

Falco16 Dec 1, 2025 3:55 pm


Originally Posted by Symmetre (Post 37457216)
I agree he's the camel that broke the straw's back. But it's not him alone. He's only the face of a broader issue.

Canadian travel to the US might have had the most precipitous drop, but the US is suffering from decreased travel both international and domestic. There's an economic and reputational chill.

Heyden Dec 6, 2025 5:25 am

Canadians are traveling more but not to the U.S.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...international?

Cross-border flights in October fell by 8.9 per cent in October compared to the year before, part of a trend that has continued every month since February.

Those figures refer to air travel alone, but the broader travel picture is similar. In the first quarter of 2025, Canadians clocked up a total of 6.1 million trips to the U.S. by land, sea and air, a decrease of 10.8 per cent year over year.

Meanwhile, international travel (i.e., everywhere else outside the U.S.) rose by 12 per cent, while domestic travel was up 8.5 per cent. In January, cross-border flights rose slightly (0.6 per cent) over the previous year, but every month since has seen a drop in the number of Canadians flying south.
These results would put the lie to the claims that currency and cost of accomodation are keeping Canadians out of the U.S. Our dollar is also weaker against the Euro and Sterling and accomodation in the UK and EU is often more expensive than the U.S.


Falco16 Dec 6, 2025 6:52 pm


Originally Posted by Heyden (Post 37466495)
Canadians are traveling more but not to the U.S.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...international?

These results would put the lie to the claims that currency and cost of accomodation are keeping Canadians out of the U.S. Our dollar is also weaker against the Euro and Sterling and accomodation in the UK and EU is often more expensive than the U.S.

Can I recommend Premier Inn and Wetherspoons Hotels in the UK?😄

I'd love to know how it breaks down. Is Canadian travel to the US like the snowbirds heavily impacted or is family travel down sharply? Business travel?

The revulsion has to be measured demographically somehow.




Falco16 Dec 8, 2025 12:11 pm


Originally Posted by Falco16 (Post 37467535)
Can I recommend Premier Inn and Wetherspoons Hotels in the UK?😄

I'd love to know how it breaks down. Is Canadian travel to the US like the snowbirds heavily impacted or is family travel down sharply? Business travel?

The revulsion has to be measured demographically somehow.

The data is so basic and questionable that I don't know if it tells us much.

A poll of snowbirds says 72% will travel to the US. This is down from 80%. Still, it is only a poll of motivated travelers.

Statistics Canada reports 1.2 million travelers to the US in October which is a 9% drop YOY and the ninth consecutive drop. I also question whether that number refers to the final destination or perhaps includes an international transfer.

I think it might underestimate the loss of travel for US businesses. The raw numbers seem to indicate 73,000 fewer passengers to the US in Oct 2025 than in Oct 2019.


Heyden Dec 8, 2025 3:36 pm


Originally Posted by Falco16 (Post 37467535)
Can I recommend Premier Inn and Wetherspoons Hotels in the UK?😄

I'd love to know how it breaks down. Is Canadian travel to the US like the snowbirds heavily impacted or is family travel down sharply? Business travel?

The revulsion has to be measured demographically somehow.

Anecdotally and based entirely on speculation I would suggest family travel to warm southern spots represents most of the decline. Snowbirds tend to go for longer periods and are more likely to drive but flying for a week to Florida is easily replaced by a flight to Mexico or the Caribbean.

I'll be interested to see how full the stands are at Toronto Blue Jays spring training in March. I go every year and some of the people I went with last year who booked their trips before the fracas started won't be going this year.

sydneyracquelle Dec 8, 2025 4:18 pm


Originally Posted by Heyden (Post 37471045)
I'll be interested to see how full the stands are at Toronto Blue Jays spring training in March. I go every year and some of the people I went with last year who booked their trips before the fracas started won't be going this year.

Given the success of the 2025 Blue Jays I am expecting Dunedin spring training interest to be very high among non-Canadians as well.

Falco16 Dec 8, 2025 6:12 pm


Originally Posted by Heyden (Post 37471045)
Anecdotally and based entirely on speculation I would suggest family travel to warm southern spots represents most of the decline. Snowbirds tend to go for longer periods and are more likely to drive but flying for a week to Florida is easily replaced by a flight to Mexico or the Caribbean.

I'll be interested to see how full the stands are at Toronto Blue Jays spring training in March. I go every year and some of the people I went with last year who booked their trips before the fracas started won't be going this year.

I'm not certain about the process, but they're making it harder to do stays over 30 days in the US. There's some added paperwork. That would deter me. OTOH, many snowbirds probably have property investments and deep ties to areas to bolster their decision to continue.

I can't see making sports trips right now. I was a big traveler for sports and I'd be too angry to spend. I wonder if Mexican and Canadian World Cup games perform better?

YVR Cockroach Dec 8, 2025 6:53 pm


Originally Posted by Falco16 (Post 37471275)
OTOH, many snowbirds probably have property investments and deep ties to areas to bolster their decision to continue.

I've read various reports that there is another factor that has made property-owning snowbirs reconsider staying invested int he U.S.: High property insurance premiums.


Falco16 Dec 8, 2025 9:33 pm


Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach (Post 37471341)
I've read various reports that there is another factor that has made property-owning snowbirs reconsider staying invested int he U.S.: High property insurance premiums.

Insurance costs in Florida and California are a serious problem for a first home. I can't imagine the troubles a second home would offer

tcook052 Dec 24, 2025 8:17 pm

Doesn't appear that the U.S. travel boycott by Canadians is waning, at least according to new StatsCan numbers for October:

Canadians continued to take fewer trips to the United States in October, according to the latest data, which mirrors recent monthly data suggesting the trade war and U.S. tariffs have left a sour taste.

Statistics Canada reported on Monday that in October, there was a 26.3 per cent drop in Canadian residents returning from trips to the U.S. compared with one year earlier.

Heyden Dec 25, 2025 3:40 pm

I'll be interested to see the March 2025 versus March 2026 numbers. Based on my last two trips to the U.S. from YYZ there were a lot more people in the lounges and at the gates and unlike last March my flights to and from Tampa were full.

EmailKid Dec 25, 2025 7:30 pm


Originally Posted by Heyden (Post 37500048)
I'll be interested to see the March 2025 versus March 2026 numbers. Based on my last two trips to the U.S. from YYZ there were a lot more people in the lounges and at the gates and unlike last March my flights to and from Tampa were full.

Sure, the planes are full because (IIRC) both WS and AC have reduced frequencies to lower 48 and many pax still want to fly. Fewer flights even with fewer overall pax can still leave full planes.

Heyden Dec 26, 2025 6:00 am


Originally Posted by EmailKid (Post 37500233)
Sure, the planes are full because (IIRC) both WS and AC have reduced frequencies to lower 48 and many pax still want to fly. Fewer flights even with fewer overall pax can still leave full planes.

Air Canada is running three TPA-YYZ flights a day which is the number they were flying in previous years.


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