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YVR Cockroach Mar 15, 2025 10:57 am

Flight Centre (only one travel agency, I know) reports a 40% drop in flight ticket sales to the U.S. for Feb. '25 compared to a year earlier.

https://globalnews.ca/news/11067586/...oonie-tariffs/

We'll know a lot more in coming months.

WildcatYXU Mar 15, 2025 3:22 pm

One data point: the US preclearance at YYZ T1 was empty when I was connecting there last Tuesday (March 11) around 11:00. Unusual, because I usually spend there between 15-30 minutes waiting. Always same time of the day, as I hate departing YXU on the first flight, so I'm using AC8256 that is scheduled to arrive to YYZ at 10:45.

Heyden Mar 18, 2025 5:47 am

Crossborder land crossings down by 500,000 in February. This amounts to a reduction year over year of 17.2%. It will be interesting if that decline sustains through the summer months.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cro...uary-1.7485695

Nearly 500,000 fewer travellers crossed the land border from Canada into the U.S. in February compared to the same month last year, according to data from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the latest sign that President Donald Trump's taunts and tariffs have shaken bilateral relations.

The number of travellers entering the U.S. in a passenger vehicle — the most common way to make the trip — dropped from 2,696,512 in February 2024 to 2,223,408 last month, reaching levels not seen since cross-border travel normalized in the post-COVID-19 era.

YVR Cockroach Mar 18, 2025 5:56 pm


Originally Posted by Heyden (Post 36965766)
Crossborder land crossings down by 500,000 in February. This amounts to a reduction year over year of 17.2%. It will be interesting if that decline sustains through the summer months.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cro...uary-1.7485695

Cross-border road trips are more spontaneous, easier (or largely free) to cancel, and of shorter duration vs. air trips (and given March is spring break), Summer is where it's going to get interesting. Seems that even transiting the U.S. is increasingly off the table.

DaveInPhoenix Mar 21, 2025 4:53 pm

I am seeing some odd fares, especially high on Air Canada so nearly full flights already for May?
For example, PHX-YYZ May 6-11 Base Economy:
Porter $325
Air Canada $940
Both on same page per Google flight and non-stop. Assume this is $CDN doesn't say but looking up from US

Or
Air Canada PHX non-stop $693
Air Canada with a stop in Denver just over 1 hour between flights $161
Again not sure if $US or $CDN but both would be the same currency. Our exchange rate is now about 0.70 CDN/USD

I have lots of FF miles on American
I would up booking American one-way Business class via ORD using 29k of 350k FF miles It leaves PHX at 5AM but can do this.
Return via Porter Business Class US$263 non-stop

IluvSQ Mar 22, 2025 3:40 pm

I am in Florida now for a family function ( with 3 kids).
The invitation and reservations were done in January.
If it had been last month, we would not have come.
It will be a few months until the Canadian reaction trickles down.

kevincrumbs Mar 24, 2025 11:23 am

I'm a regular reader of AeroRoutes and anytime there has been a recent posting about changes to a TB route, it has always been a reduction, reversal of a planned increased or a cancellation of a route. Examples:

Delta NS25 Minneapolis – Montreal Service Changes
WestJet Removes 2 US Routes in NS25
United NS25 Canada Service Changes – 23MAR25
Air Canada Cancels Vancouver – Washington Dulles in NS25
Porter Airlines NS25 US Service Changes – 23MAR25
WestJet April 2025 US Service Reductions

So yes, I definitely think that there is actual data to suggest that there are fewer passengers from Canada to the States or projected to be fewer passengers. I'd say something, but I don't want to be banished to OMNI/PR.

Heyden Mar 26, 2025 8:20 am


Originally Posted by IluvSQ (Post 36976251)
I am in Florida now for a family function ( with 3 kids).
The invitation and reservations were done in January.
If it had been last month, we would not have come.
It will be a few months until the Canadian reaction trickles down.

Based on my experience it took weeks not months. In late February, U.S. preclearance, Maple Leaf lounge and U.S. departure gates at Pearson T1 were packed and my Rouge flight to Tampa was full which is typical. In mid-March however, the preclearance hall was practically empty of passengers and the departure areas and lounges were half full at most. My flight at the same time and on the same day was no more than 2/3rds full. I fly this route regularly and it was the first time in recent memory that we weren't begged or alternately threatened to check carry on bags.

It was so quiet at T1 that for the first time ever I could walk to the counter and place my order at Tim Hortons without waiting in line.

pbiflyer Mar 26, 2025 11:57 am

Airline Demand Between Canada & United States Collapses, Down 70%

  • In March 2024, 1,218,570 tickets had been booked for April 2024
  • In March 2025, 295,982 tickets have been booked for April 2025
  • That represents a 75.7% reduction in tickets booked

chollie Mar 26, 2025 12:10 pm


Originally Posted by TheCanuckian (Post 36957697)
The declining value of the Canadian dollar against the US (and various other world currencies) makes Canada more attractive as a travel destination. So it’s possible that some of the decline in outbound travel by Canadians will be replaced by inbound travel by Americans or others. In fact, one of the best moves for Canada and Canadians may be to encourage tourism. Hence, the planes may not be as empty or the prices as low as we’d like.

Good point. For those seeing crowded airports and planes when heading southbound - are your fellow travellers predominantly outbound Canadians? Or returning Americans?

I'd also like to add that Canada is a big country. Lots of Americans (and other foreigners) go to Canada around this time of year for skiing. That often means advance planning, non-refundable accommodations, etc.

When you fly home from your Canada holiday, you probably aren't flying out of the Maritime or Prairie provinces - they're not close to the ski areas.

I think anecdotal evidence right now, particularly when ski season is still active, is probably very much province-dependent. I imagine YVR is busy and not with BC Canadians heading to the US for the spring.

YVR Cockroach Mar 26, 2025 12:20 pm


Originally Posted by pbiflyer (Post 36984757)

Airline Demand Between Canada & United States Collapses, Down 70%

  • In March 2024, 1,218,570 tickets had been booked for April 2024
  • In March 2025, 295,982 tickets have been booked for April 2025
  • That represents a 75.7% reduction in tickets booked

March 2025 isn't over yet though.

airoli Mar 26, 2025 3:05 pm


Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach (Post 36984810)
March 2025 isn't over yet though.

That's considered in the data OAG analyzed:

Using forward booking data from a major GDS supplier, we've compared the total bookings held at this point last year with those recorded this week for the upcoming summer season.

V1213 Mar 26, 2025 9:07 pm


Originally Posted by airoli (Post 36985183)
the data OAG analyzed


Originally Posted by pbiflyer (Post 36984757)
  • In March 2024, 1,218,570 tickets had been booked for April 2024
  • In March 2025, 295,982 tickets have been booked for April 2025
  • That represents a 75.7% reduction in tickets booked


Originally Posted by kevincrumbs (Post 36979917)
I'm a regular reader of AeroRoutes and anytime there has been a recent posting about changes to a TB route, it has always been a reduction, reversal of a planned increased or a cancellation of a route.
So yes, I definitely think that there is actual data to suggest that there are fewer passengers from Canada to the States or projected to be fewer passengers.

Assuming that OAG's data is as solid as always, with a ~75% reduction in bookings, but only ~3% reduction in capacity, we're going to see a lot more transborder service changes yet.
In terms of new opportunities, do we have any data about Canadian consumer confidence in general - will people travel elsewhere (new opportunities), or not at all (stranded capacity)? Which airline will be the first to decide that the reduced demand is not temporary and make bold moves?

Antonio8069 Apr 4, 2025 12:30 pm

two implications
 
I saw this news story when it first broke. Since confirmed here in the NYT:

By Vjosa Isai and Christine Chung
Vjosa Isai reported from Toronto and Christine Chung from New York.

March 28, 2025
Airlines are having to revamp their plans ahead of the peak summer travel season as Canadians avoid trips to the United States amid an escalating trade war between the two neighbors.

A grass roots effort by Canadians to boycott all things American — from U.S. grocery products and alcohol to tourist hot spots — had already set off alarms across the United States travel industry, which warned of multibillion-dollar losses.[/quote]

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I foresee two broad implications of this trend:

1. less need for narrow body aircraft;
2. more opportunities for airlines operating out of Cdn. gateways to Australiasia, Europe. & South America.

NewbieRunner Apr 5, 2025 1:43 am

Gift version of the NY Times article above. (Available for 30 days.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/28/w...e=articleShare



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