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Flight Centre (only one travel agency, I know) reports a 40% drop in flight ticket sales to the U.S. for Feb. '25 compared to a year earlier.
https://globalnews.ca/news/11067586/...oonie-tariffs/ We'll know a lot more in coming months. |
One data point: the US preclearance at YYZ T1 was empty when I was connecting there last Tuesday (March 11) around 11:00. Unusual, because I usually spend there between 15-30 minutes waiting. Always same time of the day, as I hate departing YXU on the first flight, so I'm using AC8256 that is scheduled to arrive to YYZ at 10:45.
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Crossborder land crossings down by 500,000 in February. This amounts to a reduction year over year of 17.2%. It will be interesting if that decline sustains through the summer months.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cro...uary-1.7485695 Nearly 500,000 fewer travellers crossed the land border from Canada into the U.S. in February compared to the same month last year, according to data from the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the latest sign that President Donald Trump's taunts and tariffs have shaken bilateral relations. The number of travellers entering the U.S. in a passenger vehicle — the most common way to make the trip — dropped from 2,696,512 in February 2024 to 2,223,408 last month, reaching levels not seen since cross-border travel normalized in the post-COVID-19 era. |
Originally Posted by Heyden
(Post 36965766)
Crossborder land crossings down by 500,000 in February. This amounts to a reduction year over year of 17.2%. It will be interesting if that decline sustains through the summer months.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/cro...uary-1.7485695 |
I am seeing some odd fares, especially high on Air Canada so nearly full flights already for May?
For example, PHX-YYZ May 6-11 Base Economy: Porter $325 Air Canada $940 Both on same page per Google flight and non-stop. Assume this is $CDN doesn't say but looking up from US Or Air Canada PHX non-stop $693 Air Canada with a stop in Denver just over 1 hour between flights $161 Again not sure if $US or $CDN but both would be the same currency. Our exchange rate is now about 0.70 CDN/USD I have lots of FF miles on American I would up booking American one-way Business class via ORD using 29k of 350k FF miles It leaves PHX at 5AM but can do this. Return via Porter Business Class US$263 non-stop |
I am in Florida now for a family function ( with 3 kids).
The invitation and reservations were done in January. If it had been last month, we would not have come. It will be a few months until the Canadian reaction trickles down. |
I'm a regular reader of AeroRoutes and anytime there has been a recent posting about changes to a TB route, it has always been a reduction, reversal of a planned increased or a cancellation of a route. Examples:
Delta NS25 Minneapolis – Montreal Service Changes WestJet Removes 2 US Routes in NS25 United NS25 Canada Service Changes – 23MAR25 Air Canada Cancels Vancouver – Washington Dulles in NS25 Porter Airlines NS25 US Service Changes – 23MAR25 WestJet April 2025 US Service Reductions So yes, I definitely think that there is actual data to suggest that there are fewer passengers from Canada to the States or projected to be fewer passengers. I'd say something, but I don't want to be banished to OMNI/PR. |
Originally Posted by IluvSQ
(Post 36976251)
I am in Florida now for a family function ( with 3 kids).
The invitation and reservations were done in January. If it had been last month, we would not have come. It will be a few months until the Canadian reaction trickles down. It was so quiet at T1 that for the first time ever I could walk to the counter and place my order at Tim Hortons without waiting in line. |
Airline Demand Between Canada & United States Collapses, Down 70%
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Originally Posted by TheCanuckian
(Post 36957697)
The declining value of the Canadian dollar against the US (and various other world currencies) makes Canada more attractive as a travel destination. So it’s possible that some of the decline in outbound travel by Canadians will be replaced by inbound travel by Americans or others. In fact, one of the best moves for Canada and Canadians may be to encourage tourism. Hence, the planes may not be as empty or the prices as low as we’d like.
I'd also like to add that Canada is a big country. Lots of Americans (and other foreigners) go to Canada around this time of year for skiing. That often means advance planning, non-refundable accommodations, etc. When you fly home from your Canada holiday, you probably aren't flying out of the Maritime or Prairie provinces - they're not close to the ski areas. I think anecdotal evidence right now, particularly when ski season is still active, is probably very much province-dependent. I imagine YVR is busy and not with BC Canadians heading to the US for the spring. |
Originally Posted by pbiflyer
(Post 36984757)
Airline Demand Between Canada & United States Collapses, Down 70%
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Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach
(Post 36984810)
March 2025 isn't over yet though.
Using forward booking data from a major GDS supplier, we've compared the total bookings held at this point last year with those recorded this week for the upcoming summer season. |
Originally Posted by pbiflyer
(Post 36984757)
Originally Posted by kevincrumbs
(Post 36979917)
I'm a regular reader of AeroRoutes and anytime there has been a recent posting about changes to a TB route, it has always been a reduction, reversal of a planned increased or a cancellation of a route.
So yes, I definitely think that there is actual data to suggest that there are fewer passengers from Canada to the States or projected to be fewer passengers. In terms of new opportunities, do we have any data about Canadian consumer confidence in general - will people travel elsewhere (new opportunities), or not at all (stranded capacity)? Which airline will be the first to decide that the reduced demand is not temporary and make bold moves? |
two implications
I saw this news story when it first broke. Since confirmed here in the NYT:
By Vjosa Isai and Christine Chung Vjosa Isai reported from Toronto and Christine Chung from New York. March 28, 2025 Airlines are having to revamp their plans ahead of the peak summer travel season as Canadians avoid trips to the United States amid an escalating trade war between the two neighbors. A grass roots effort by Canadians to boycott all things American — from U.S. grocery products and alcohol to tourist hot spots — had already set off alarms across the United States travel industry, which warned of multibillion-dollar losses.[/quote] [mod edit] I foresee two broad implications of this trend: 1. less need for narrow body aircraft; 2. more opportunities for airlines operating out of Cdn. gateways to Australiasia, Europe. & South America. |
Gift version of the NY Times article above. (Available for 30 days.)
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/28/w...e=articleShare |
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