BA ending first class to ATL
Nov 20, 2022, 10:10 pm
#31
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Yes, it should be 2 crew members on an 8 F, but on several planes, I suspect there would be no (regulatory) need for extra crew members in J or W or Y if any of those cabins is enlarged instead of F. And yes, exactly, it is then a question of yield, but BA have never made a secret of the fact that F is not the cabin on which they make the most money: W and J are overall significantly more profitable. It doesn't mean that F loses money, and again, on some routes I'm sure it is a healthy earner, but my guestimate is that on an increasing number of other ones, BA will decide that F is not worth it.
As I said, it's a merely guestimate on my part and may very well be wrong, but it is a guestimate that was certainly trying to take into account those moving parts and more (such as the fact that complexity in the fleet leads to losses as sometimes you end up using a 4 cabin plane on 3 cabin routes which is suboptimal.
As I said, it's a merely guestimate on my part and may very well be wrong, but it is a guestimate that was certainly trying to take into account those moving parts and more (such as the fact that complexity in the fleet leads to losses as sometimes you end up using a 4 cabin plane on 3 cabin routes which is suboptimal.
The 77W (77H) goes from 297 (14F) to 256 (77G - 8F + Suites), both also within the same range for 6 FAs. But here you have J +20 and Y -50 which is probably an even trade so maybe they can also drop the 3rd F FA here as well.
Nov 21, 2022, 1:58 am
#32
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Nov 21, 2022, 4:22 am
#33
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Just spoke to the goldline.Firstly told me that cabin is sold out. I said I am the only person in First.Then we talked about this good forum, they said they had seen flyertalk 
Then confirmed for May, June and July its a non F 777, although stated no decision has been made apparently. Which is odd as its changed on the app. So clearly they have done so
Then confirmed for May, June and July its a non F 777, although stated no decision has been made apparently. Which is odd as its changed on the app. So clearly they have done so
Nov 21, 2022, 7:36 am
#34
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We are booked ATL-LHR next September in CW. Initial booking was B787-10 with new CS but after seeing this post checked the itinerary and it is now a three class B777-200 but with CS. I wonder if this change is related to the fact the next B787-10 deliveries are seriously delayed from Boeing or that First is no longer viable on this route. Will be interesting to see if we get another aircraft change nearer the time.
Nov 21, 2022, 8:39 am
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The 787s to/from ATL on which I have flown have been mostly all/nearly all full.
Nov 23, 2022, 9:24 am
#37
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Operational Management have confirmed via a manager at the exec club that no First for the summer season. However they wont update until summer schedule is published even though the website already reflects this. So I am stuck until this updates which is really annoying. Its rather cheeky to expect me to pay fare differences if i change now etc when they know its changing but wont press the bloody button to do it! Any of you good people know when this is?
Dec 10, 2022, 11:51 am
#38
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LHR-ATL First withdrawn
Can't find anything official but it looks like First Class has been withdrawn from the Heathrow-Atlanta route.
Was looking to book later next year but no First Class flights found after March.
Tweeted BA but unable to confirm.
Just phoned to enquire about a booking and operator confirms no more First Class after March.
A real shame as First was always busy whenever we flew.
Was looking to book later next year but no First Class flights found after March.
Tweeted BA but unable to confirm.
Just phoned to enquire about a booking and operator confirms no more First Class after March.
A real shame as First was always busy whenever we flew.
Dec 10, 2022, 11:57 am
#39
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Yes I doubt that First has ended forever to ATL, I think it's just an equipment shuffle, where BA now has reduced significantly the number of First seats compared to 2020. First remains possible via PHL, DFW and ORD. Previous discussion here:
BA ending first class to ATL
BA ending first class to ATL
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Dec 11, 2022, 6:09 am
#41
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Atlanta First availability from April drops off
Looking to book 2 x reward seats in First from London to Atlanta and there's plenty of availability in February and March but completely drops off from April onwards.
Is this due to the weather and it being a more popular destination as we move into Spring?
Or is it because April is further away and as such BA haven't made a decision on what reward availability to open up, therefore seats should become available in the coming weeks?
Any insights much appreciated, thanks all.
GB
Is this due to the weather and it being a more popular destination as we move into Spring?
Or is it because April is further away and as such BA haven't made a decision on what reward availability to open up, therefore seats should become available in the coming weeks?
Any insights much appreciated, thanks all.
GB
Dec 11, 2022, 11:07 am
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Looking to book 2 x reward seats in First from London to Atlanta and there's plenty of availability in February and March but completely drops off from April onwards.
Is this due to the weather and it being a more popular destination as we move into Spring?
Or is it because April is further away and as such BA haven't made a decision on what reward availability to open up, therefore seats should become available in the coming weeks?
Any insights much appreciated, thanks all.
GB
Is this due to the weather and it being a more popular destination as we move into Spring?
Or is it because April is further away and as such BA haven't made a decision on what reward availability to open up, therefore seats should become available in the coming weeks?
Any insights much appreciated, thanks all.
GB
I have myself booked a return rewards trip in first to ATL in February and there was a fairly large availability, so much that I was considering going with the whole family (there were 5 reward seats on both flights at one point).
on a separate note for those of you that may have done similar planning, It will be the first time for the wife but I have been before, and so will plan to fly to a different US city from there to spend more of the holiday before returning to ATL for the flight back. Aside of Miami, is there another interesting (and possibly warm) place worth visiting not to many hours flight time away?
Dec 11, 2022, 2:26 pm
#43
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Can't find anything official but it looks like First Class has been withdrawn from the Heathrow-Atlanta route.
Was looking to book later next year but no First Class flights found after March.
Tweeted BA but unable to confirm.
Just phoned to enquire about a booking and operator confirms no more First Class after March.
A real shame as First was always busy whenever we flew.
Was looking to book later next year but no First Class flights found after March.
Tweeted BA but unable to confirm.
Just phoned to enquire about a booking and operator confirms no more First Class after March.
A real shame as First was always busy whenever we flew.
Dec 21, 2022, 10:40 am
#45
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The mark of a true FT'er. Pleased to be rerouted from a direct flight to a 2-stopper :-)