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New T8 lounges have been shown to the press and will open on 1 December.

For access rule: see post 161 - Basically, access follows pre-move BA and AA rules for JFK: FlyerTalk Forums - View Single Post - BA & AA JFK T8 joint operations to begin Dec 2022

JFK T8 Lounge Map

Greenwich Lounge (former AA Flagship Lounge), above Gate 12: BAEC Silver and Club World
Soho Lounge, above Gates 14-20: BAEC Gold
Chelsea Lounge, above Gates 14-20: BAEC GGL, First

For food and drink,
- Chelsea gets restaurant style food, comprehensive Champagne menu with 14 different Champagne inlcluding Krug, Ruinart, etc, 3 sparkling wines, and cocktail menu as well as a wine table
- Soho gets food that can be ordered with QR codes (as in GF) and a cocktail bar
- Greenwich gets self-service wine table, drinks, and buffet food.
For Chelsea menus for December 2022: see post 181 FlyerTalk Forums - View Single Post - BA & AA JFK T8 joint operations to begin Dec 2022

Specific lounge threads
There are now lounge specific threads for all three lounges:
Chelsea: British Airways and American Airlines Chelsea Lounge - JFK Terminal 8 - FlyerTalk Forums
Soho: British Airways and American Airlines Soho Lounge - JFK Terminal 8 - FlyerTalk Forums
Greenwich: British Airways and American Airlines Greenwich Lounge - JFK Terminal 8 - FlyerTalk Forums

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BA & AA JFK T8 joint operations to begin Dec 2022

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Jan 26, 2022, 11:01 am

#76

PUCCI GALORE

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DYKWIA

Err.... you do realise the lounges will be shared with AA? With all their early morning flights

Of course Dearest, but at that hour no one will notice me hob-mobbing with them. They’ll all be so half Comoros’s that they won’t realise that it’s me. It’s so simple. I never wear the same colour lipstick when I fly American as opposed to BA k. I even change the brand from my customary Chanel as it’s extortionately expensive.

Frankly if it is half a patch on the superb Flagship Lounge in Miami, you will have no complaints from me. It’s so Ritzy.

Jan 26, 2022, 11:17 am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PUCCI GALORE

Of course Dearest, but at that hour no one will notice me hob-mobbing with them.
...

Is that where you sneak in on a flash-mob that you shouldn't be in?

rb211

Jan 26, 2022, 11:55 am

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So no CCR, possible remote stands, probably disruption until it's done. I don't really see the BA customer benefit.

I do wonder if minimum connection time will be reduced, though, that could be useful...

But can't really judge until it's all done, eh? So sometime in 2023...

Jan 26, 2022, 12:38 pm

#79

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I am keeping my fingers crossed the new Premium Check-in will have its own fast track security lanes. The current Flagship Check-in arrangement while lovely deposits you at the end of the Priority security channel which in my experience is the slowest of all lanes at JFK T7. At the moment, if you want a quick security experience you need to purchase a TSA Pre✓ membership

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Jan 26, 2022, 1:09 pm

#80

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I also wonder if this may open additional routes. Would AA consider direct Mex to Jfk flights now to tie in into easier transatlantic connections.

Jan 26, 2022, 1:16 pm

#81

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Quote:

Originally Posted by xenole

Ah, BA's favourite premium experience of cramming as many status passengers onto a bus to take them to a remote gate......

From what I've heard the hardstands are just for parking aircraft that will be around for extended periods of time.

There isn't an intention to use remote stands for boarding and the aircraft will be put back on gates for boarding.

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Jan 26, 2022, 3:09 pm

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Originally Posted by Irishtraveler

CCR will be a loss at JFK I personally have never been in this lounge but have been in CCR at LHR before.

I reviewed the JFK Concorde Room here: In the Shadow of Concorde: The British Airways Premium Experience Revisited

It's a delightful lounge, and the only 'original' Concorde Room in the network from where Concorde departed until 2003.

Jan 26, 2022, 9:41 pm

#83

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 13901

So two stands with jetty and 3 remotes vs, what, 12 on-pier with T7? Are AA/whoever does stand management in T8 going to give access to BA to "their" stands or will BA lose quite a large number of stands for their services?

If my memory served correctly, there will be a total of 5 new wide-body jet bridges, with some probably at the satellite, and 4 remote stands will be used mostly for parking (I was never bused to the aircraft in US airports). I assume early BA arrival equipments will be sent there and will likely be towed to gate once flight is ready.
BA also didn't need all 12 gates in T7 (and a fair share of them are AS and other users), and T8 was never at full capacity anyway, so adding 9 stands should suffice.

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Last edited by JALOO5-Flyer; Jan 26, 2022 at 9:47 pm

Jan 26, 2022, 11:58 pm

#84

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From memory, pre Covid I’ve seen BA 747s parked on remote stands at T7 at JFK but presumed it was just for overflow parking. I’ve never had a bus and steps story with BA at JFK.

Jan 27, 2022, 1:54 am

#85

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There are definitely bus gates at JFK - I've had one in the past. Not on BA mind.

Jan 27, 2022, 2:51 am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zen100

There are plenty of small items where BA give Golds (OWE), which AA do not give, to their own EXP or OWE, such as extra baggage for everyone on the booking, 4 bags in First, free seat selection for friends on other bookings, arrivals lounge access on long haul economy. I don't expect (or get) the same benefits on AA tickets.

Edit: All I ask is that AA treats me according to their commitment as part of the Oneworld alliance. And from my experience, they do.

Both airlines have strengths and weaknesses. I'd much rather be served by BA crew, generally, than AA crew, but if sat in Y as OWE they will give me a free drink and sandwich from the BOB menu. AA has better business class seating on short-haul than BA does. Yes, it's not First like they call it but it's better than the free-middle-seat rubbish we get in Europe from BA and others.
I like the AA seats more than the BA CW seats, even more than the CW suites, which I find myself hating due to limited foot space. And then there's the onboard temperatures that neither gets right. On a BA long-haul is like being in a sauna and on AA it's like being in a freezer.
But, you know, horses for courses and I'm glad we have a choice.

Jan 27, 2022, 3:32 am

#87

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tafflyer

But, you know, horses for courses and I'm glad we have a choice.

It would be good if both AA and BA remembered that, and upped their standards accordingly. BCal's tagline should be their mantra: 'We never forget you have a choice'.

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Jan 27, 2022, 6:31 am

#88

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DYKWIA

There are definitely bus gates at JFK - I've had one in the past. Not on BA mind.

I thought I remembered a bus gate at JFK for AA but actually this was at LGA when they consolidated ex-US and AA operations into the main terminal, pre-renovation. Not sure if it even still exists or is still used? Discussed here;

Which is AA's nastiest gate?

And details of busing here:
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29177648-post28.html

Jan 27, 2022, 9:48 am

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Originally Posted by Prospero

Really? Honey, when I’ve used Flagship checkin in Miami, someone escorted us to the top of the security line which was literally less that 20 metres away. One feels that one is entering a secluded sanctuary, I don’t think that you need to worry.

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Jan 27, 2022, 11:52 am

#90

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The flagship at jfk did offer the same as MIA.

I'm not pre check either, never had any need for my routes.

JFK you do , now did, I suppose, have to ask sometimes to be taken to the front . Not just the security guy at priority, , but straight to the scanner

Saved me quite a few connections.

There used to be a little, in height, AA lady (she's left now), if I'm allowed to say that, who was absolutely a delightful person, who even insisted helping with the trays for the scanner