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This thread is the continuation of the discussion hosted in the BA Tier Point Runs | 2019-20 edition thread.
Useful tips and technical pointers
El_Duderito's explanation on fare routings and the maximum permitted distance you are allowed to travel (based on the distance between the origin and destination airports)
Helpful maps
The following series of maps show a 2,000 mile radius around each oneworld hub, useful for strategic planning purposes. Hopefully these will help your imagination to run free. Click on the images to reveal the accompanying maps.
EMEA
Asia Pacific
North America
Previous editions
BA Tier Point Runs | 2019-20 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2018 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2017 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2016 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2015 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2014 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | original edition
Useful tips and technical pointers
El_Duderito's explanation on fare routings and the maximum permitted distance you are allowed to travel (based on the distance between the origin and destination airports)
Helpful maps
The following series of maps show a 2,000 mile radius around each oneworld hub, useful for strategic planning purposes. Hopefully these will help your imagination to run free. Click on the images to reveal the accompanying maps.
EMEA
Asia Pacific
North America
Previous editions
BA Tier Point Runs | 2019-20 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2018 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2017 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2016 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2015 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2014 edition
BA Tier Point Runs | original edition
BA Tier Point Runs | 2021 edition
#2281
Join Date: Jul 2009
Programs: BAEC Silver, IHG Diamond
Posts: 7,780
Scenarios like that are best avoided, since indeed any brief NYC layovers with less than 7-8 hours layover or landside time are quite a waste of money (or loyalty points). I personally use either different timings or routings to avoid such overnight layovers, whenever possible. Any more price smart accommodation options are further away from JFK, so you end up anyway using 1-2 hrs on transit. To me, any JFK-JFK overnight transit needs 10-12 hrs at a minimum, but I'm also happy to do transits between airports in NYC, since I anyway move on the landside for a hotel. In fact, the same logic also applies to me and LON in many cases.
I've got a SOF run over the summer. At present, a 9:50pm arrival into JFK and a 7:07am departure (usually all the blinds are down and people sleep most of this flight anyway).
If things go well, I could be at a hotel for 11pm, and then catch a 5am shuttle to the airport.
Not great timings, but 5hrs in a comfy bed is better than a hard chair, and I'll think of the tier points. No worse than people paying 3k for an East Coast CW flight to get 4hrs sleep compared to £400 in Y for thr 6hr flight.
Got a normal domestic flight arriving into SFO just before midnight coming up. There's a 5:30am flight for £142 that earns me 80TP to get to my destination before lunch.
Last edited by xenole; Feb 17, 2022 at 10:52 pm
#2282
Join Date: May 2014
Location: BRU
Programs: BA GGL, TK E (*G), ITA exec
Posts: 4,113
I did have a 11am or so departure on one of my flights, but AA changed it to 7am for some reason.
I've got a SOF run over the summer. At present, a 9:50pm arrival into JFK and a 7:07am departure (usually all the blinds are down and people sleep most of this flight anyway).
If things go well, I could be at a hotel for 11pm, and then catch a 5am shuttle to the airport.
Not great timings, but 5hrs in a comfy bed is better than a hard chair, and I'll think of the tier points. No worse than people paying 3k for an East Coast CW flight to get 4hrs sleep compared to £400 in Y for thr 6hr flight.
Got a normal domestic flight arriving into SFO just before midnight coming up. There's a 5:30am flight for £142 that earns me 80TP to get to my destination before lunch.
I've got a SOF run over the summer. At present, a 9:50pm arrival into JFK and a 7:07am departure (usually all the blinds are down and people sleep most of this flight anyway).
If things go well, I could be at a hotel for 11pm, and then catch a 5am shuttle to the airport.
Not great timings, but 5hrs in a comfy bed is better than a hard chair, and I'll think of the tier points. No worse than people paying 3k for an East Coast CW flight to get 4hrs sleep compared to £400 in Y for thr 6hr flight.
Got a normal domestic flight arriving into SFO just before midnight coming up. There's a 5:30am flight for £142 that earns me 80TP to get to my destination before lunch.
Personally, I did the short night layover multiple times, but now I really prefer to have at least 8h between evening and morning flights...
#2283
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Istanbul, Turkey
Programs: TK Elite Plus,BAEC GGL,ITA Executive, AFKL Gold,QR Gold,HH Diamond,Bonvoy Gold,ALL Gold
Posts: 14,186
I did have a 11am or so departure on one of my flights, but AA changed it to 7am for some reason.
I've got a SOF run over the summer. At present, a 9:50pm arrival into JFK and a 7:07am departure (usually all the blinds are down and people sleep most of this flight anyway).
If things go well, I could be at a hotel for 11pm, and then catch a 5am shuttle to the airport.
Not great timings, but 5hrs in a comfy bed is better than a hard chair, and I'll think of the tier points. No worse than people paying 3k for an East Coast CW flight to get 4hrs sleep compared to £400 in Y for thr 6hr flight.
Got a normal domestic flight arriving into SFO just before midnight coming up. There's a 5:30am flight for £142 that earns me 80TP to get to my destination before lunch.
I've got a SOF run over the summer. At present, a 9:50pm arrival into JFK and a 7:07am departure (usually all the blinds are down and people sleep most of this flight anyway).
If things go well, I could be at a hotel for 11pm, and then catch a 5am shuttle to the airport.
Not great timings, but 5hrs in a comfy bed is better than a hard chair, and I'll think of the tier points. No worse than people paying 3k for an East Coast CW flight to get 4hrs sleep compared to £400 in Y for thr 6hr flight.
Got a normal domestic flight arriving into SFO just before midnight coming up. There's a 5:30am flight for £142 that earns me 80TP to get to my destination before lunch.
#2284
Join Date: Jul 2009
Programs: BAEC Silver, IHG Diamond
Posts: 7,780
Didn't try (think it changed a couple of weeks out). Wasn't any major bother to me as I had a few extra hours in San Francisco from it.
Have had a short overnight at JFK a couple of times before, so knew roughly what to expect. Have found 5am is probably best for the Crowne Plaza shuttle. Gets you to T8 around 20mins later, and TSA-PRE should be open.
Even if I do get a hotel, I can't really sleep knowing I have to be up early, but a bed plus tv, and it being private and quiet are nice. Dont mind blowing some points if I've plenty spare, but I wouldn't bother if I had sub-4hrs at the airport.
At least with JFK, if you can access the Flagship lounge after 4am, and you can grab a shower, breakfast etc.
Last edited by xenole; Feb 18, 2022 at 12:19 am
#2285
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: London, UK
Programs: BA, Qantas, Virgin Aus
Posts: 10
I’ve arrived into JFK on the late flight a few times, connecting onto the west coast early the next morning.
The first couple of times I booked a hotel but by the time I’d got there and checked in it was about 5am in the UK, and I had to leave to get back to the airport in about 4 hours so for $200 it seemed a bit of a waste.
I now make a point of getting 4 or 5 hours sleep on the flight to JFK (the second meal really isn’t worth bothering about), staying in the airport terminals and then heading for the lounge as it opens. The JetBlue terminal I think had a coffee bar open all night and so did the Delta terminal. The inter terminal train also ran all night so a couple of excursions on that to the other terminals, and with a good book or a loaded iPad, the time passed quite quickly.
There were people doing similar in each terminal, so I didn’t feel unsafe at any point.
The first couple of times I booked a hotel but by the time I’d got there and checked in it was about 5am in the UK, and I had to leave to get back to the airport in about 4 hours so for $200 it seemed a bit of a waste.
I now make a point of getting 4 or 5 hours sleep on the flight to JFK (the second meal really isn’t worth bothering about), staying in the airport terminals and then heading for the lounge as it opens. The JetBlue terminal I think had a coffee bar open all night and so did the Delta terminal. The inter terminal train also ran all night so a couple of excursions on that to the other terminals, and with a good book or a loaded iPad, the time passed quite quickly.
There were people doing similar in each terminal, so I didn’t feel unsafe at any point.
#2286
Join Date: Jul 2009
Programs: BAEC Silver, IHG Diamond
Posts: 7,780
One reason why these short overnights aren't great if you have bags. The less luggage to trail around, the better.
#2287
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: London, UK
Programs: BA, Qantas, Virgin Aus
Posts: 10
If you're flying into the US from the UK, you'll have to collect your luggage after immigration as it will be your first point of entry into the US. Not sure if you could re-check it that night for the next morning flight?
One reason why these short overnights aren't great if you have bags. The less luggage to trail around, the better.
One reason why these short overnights aren't great if you have bags. The less luggage to trail around, the better.
#2288
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Edinburgh
Programs: BAEC Gold, ITA Volare Executive
Posts: 450
Slightly OT, but if I’m starting my run from DUB direct to US with pre-clearance, would my bag go through to final destination without me having to recheck at my first stop?
#2290
Join Date: Feb 2022
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 12
Hi all
First post from a long time observer. Can't post URL's or images just yet. Had some great deals and tips from you guys, keep up the great work!
I have the opportunity of a TP run from April 22-25 DUS-LHR-EZE (I'm positioned Ex-Eu and DUS is very handy for this) bookable through the Iberia website, where the flights are operated by BA . This should be 400 points from Business by my calculation?
I only need 325 to get to Gold and my timeframe is limited work/corona wise and as my year ends May too. I'm aware of the costs and this may not be comparable to one planned well in advance but Business is a preferred seat for me. (I used to be an adventurer but took an arrow to the knee)
Also will the TP's be posted in time to go Gold pre May 08th?
First post from a long time observer. Can't post URL's or images just yet. Had some great deals and tips from you guys, keep up the great work!
I have the opportunity of a TP run from April 22-25 DUS-LHR-EZE (I'm positioned Ex-Eu and DUS is very handy for this) bookable through the Iberia website, where the flights are operated by BA . This should be 400 points from Business by my calculation?
I only need 325 to get to Gold and my timeframe is limited work/corona wise and as my year ends May too. I'm aware of the costs and this may not be comparable to one planned well in advance but Business is a preferred seat for me. (I used to be an adventurer but took an arrow to the knee)
Also will the TP's be posted in time to go Gold pre May 08th?
#2292
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Join Date: Jun 2008
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Hi all
First post from a long time observer. Can't post URL's or images just yet. Had some great deals and tips from you guys, keep up the great work!
I have the opportunity of a TP run from April 22-25 DUS-LHR-EZE (I'm positioned Ex-Eu and DUS is very handy for this) bookable through the Iberia website, where the flights are operated by BA . This should be 400 points from Business by my calculation?
I only need 325 to get to Gold and my timeframe is limited work/corona wise and as my year ends May too. I'm aware of the costs and this may not be comparable to one planned well in advance but Business is a preferred seat for me. (I used to be an adventurer but took an arrow to the knee)
Also will the TP's be posted in time to go Gold pre May 08th?
First post from a long time observer. Can't post URL's or images just yet. Had some great deals and tips from you guys, keep up the great work!
I have the opportunity of a TP run from April 22-25 DUS-LHR-EZE (I'm positioned Ex-Eu and DUS is very handy for this) bookable through the Iberia website, where the flights are operated by BA . This should be 400 points from Business by my calculation?
I only need 325 to get to Gold and my timeframe is limited work/corona wise and as my year ends May too. I'm aware of the costs and this may not be comparable to one planned well in advance but Business is a preferred seat for me. (I used to be an adventurer but took an arrow to the knee)
Also will the TP's be posted in time to go Gold pre May 08th?
#2293
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: London
Programs: BA GGL, GfL
Posts: 55
Hello. I need a bit of advice, please. I am booked to go to LAS at the beginning of April, flying DUB-LHR-LAX-LAS. I am due to arrive in DUB on my return trip at 14:40. When I booked my positioning flight, I got a bit gung-ho about the return trip and have booked onto the 15:20 departure from DUB (back to LHR). My logic at the time was that 40 mins should be plenty of time for a transfer with hand luggage only, but it only occurred to me later that it could be a problem since the return positioning flight is a separate ticket. My concern is that if I miss the connection in DUB they will make me buy a new ticket, which could be expensive. Do you think I need to book onto a later flight?
#2294
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: England
Posts: 411
Hello. I need a bit of advice, please. I am booked to go to LAS at the beginning of April, flying DUB-LHR-LAX-LAS. I am due to arrive in DUB on my return trip at 14:40. When I booked my positioning flight, I got a bit gung-ho about the return trip and have booked onto the 15:20 departure from DUB (back to LHR). My logic at the time was that 40 mins should be plenty of time for a transfer with hand luggage only, but it only occurred to me later that it could be a problem since the return positioning flight is a separate ticket. My concern is that if I miss the connection in DUB they will make me buy a new ticket, which could be expensive. Do you think I need to book onto a later flight?
Ryanair can usually be had for under €15 if you're ok with STN/LTN/LGW, although cabin baggage will set you back another €20 unless it fits under the seat in front.
#2295
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 203
Anyone have any tips on how to find an affordable run for £600 or less? I've got a BA credit that I need to burn.