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Link to the full original text of the regulations in PDF format
Downgrades: Mennens case - calculation formula is in this post
Brexit and Covid pointers: see post 8
Click here for last year's (2020) thread.
Downgrades: Mennens case - calculation formula is in this post
Brexit and Covid pointers: see post 8
Click here for last year's (2020) thread.
The 2021/22 BA compensation thread: Your guide to Regulation EC261/2004
#1306
Join Date: Jan 2022
Posts: 7
A question about rerouting to an alternative airport.
I had both sectors of my journey to Seville (LHR-MAD-SVQ) on May 28th cancelled with just 24hrs notice. I was not offered an alternative flight to Seville until Monday 30th May so asked instead to be rerouted to Malaga on the 28th and arranged an onward transfer. I arrived on time to Malaga but this was 1hr 45mins later than my original flight would have arrived to Seville. Is this the total length of the delay or does it include some or all of the time taken to reach Seville?
Thanks in advance for any help.
I had both sectors of my journey to Seville (LHR-MAD-SVQ) on May 28th cancelled with just 24hrs notice. I was not offered an alternative flight to Seville until Monday 30th May so asked instead to be rerouted to Malaga on the 28th and arranged an onward transfer. I arrived on time to Malaga but this was 1hr 45mins later than my original flight would have arrived to Seville. Is this the total length of the delay or does it include some or all of the time taken to reach Seville?
Thanks in advance for any help.
#1307
Moderator, Iberia Airlines, Airport Lounges, and Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club
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Join Date: Feb 2010
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I had both sectors of my journey to Seville (LHR-MAD-SVQ) on May 28th cancelled with just 24hrs notice. I was not offered an alternative flight to Seville until Monday 30th May so asked instead to be rerouted to Malaga on the 28th and arranged an onward transfer. I arrived on time to Malaga but this was 1hr 45mins later than my original flight would have arrived to Seville. Is this the total length of the delay or does it include some or all of the time taken to reach Seville?
#1308
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Birmingham, UK
Posts: 205
Sorry if this is a silly question. The gov.uk website states 'Claims issued in MCOL must be for no more than one claimant and against no more than 2 defendants (people or organisations)' Does this mean each person in a travelling party must make their own claim or is a travelling party on one booking classed as one claimant?
#1309
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Join Date: Feb 2010
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Sorry if this is a silly question. The gov.uk website states 'Claims issued in MCOL must be for no more than one claimant and against no more than 2 defendants (people or organisations)' Does this mean each person in a travelling party must make their own claim or is a travelling party on one booking classed as one claimant?
#1310
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: London
Programs: MUCCI; BAEC Lifetime Gold; Marriott Bonvoy Emeritus Titanium; Hertz#1, Avis President’s Club
Posts: 3,214
#1311
Join Date: Jan 2022
Posts: 7
Thank you for this swift response.
I've had something of a run of bad luck with my travels with BA this year so I'm grateful to you again, C-W-S, for your guidance in this thread.
I've had something of a run of bad luck with my travels with BA this year so I'm grateful to you again, C-W-S, for your guidance in this thread.
#1312
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Rome,Italy
Programs: BA Gold/AF Gold/HHonors Gold/AMEX Plat/Bonvoy Gold/TAP Miles and Go Gold
Posts: 64
HI All,
Would appreciate if someone has any idea on how BA pays the claim for EC261? I received a successful response to my claim on 26th May 2022 for a delayed flight LHR/ATH for my mother and myself (different last names, same claim). BA answer was "400 EUR each and we will transfer the total directly into your account within 14 business days" but today I received only the compensation of one passenger into my UK bank account but missing the compensation of the other passenger on the booking (just received EUR 400.00 instead of EUR 800.00). Any light on this?
Thanks!
Would appreciate if someone has any idea on how BA pays the claim for EC261? I received a successful response to my claim on 26th May 2022 for a delayed flight LHR/ATH for my mother and myself (different last names, same claim). BA answer was "400 EUR each and we will transfer the total directly into your account within 14 business days" but today I received only the compensation of one passenger into my UK bank account but missing the compensation of the other passenger on the booking (just received EUR 400.00 instead of EUR 800.00). Any light on this?
Thanks!
#1313
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 642
Hello,
I opened a CEDR dispute after BA ignored my delay complaint for over 8 weeks. After I opened the CEDR dispute (awaiting their assessment of my case), BA replied, denying my claim because the flight was delayed due to "operational reasons outside of their control". Should I withdraw my dispute with CEDR and follow up with BA (asking for confirmation their decision will not change), or keep my case open and ignore BA's reply (as it will probably go to CEDR anyway)?
Thanks for any advice
I opened a CEDR dispute after BA ignored my delay complaint for over 8 weeks. After I opened the CEDR dispute (awaiting their assessment of my case), BA replied, denying my claim because the flight was delayed due to "operational reasons outside of their control". Should I withdraw my dispute with CEDR and follow up with BA (asking for confirmation their decision will not change), or keep my case open and ignore BA's reply (as it will probably go to CEDR anyway)?
Thanks for any advice
#1314
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Denmark
Programs: TK Elite
Posts: 11,852
HI All,
Would appreciate if someone has any idea on how BA pays the claim for EC261? I received a successful response to my claim on 26th May 2022 for a delayed flight LHR/ATH for my mother and myself (different last names, same claim). BA answer was "400 EUR each and we will transfer the total directly into your account within 14 business days" but today I received only the compensation of one passenger into my UK bank account but missing the compensation of the other passenger on the booking (just received EUR 400.00 instead of EUR 800.00). Any light on this?
Would appreciate if someone has any idea on how BA pays the claim for EC261? I received a successful response to my claim on 26th May 2022 for a delayed flight LHR/ATH for my mother and myself (different last names, same claim). BA answer was "400 EUR each and we will transfer the total directly into your account within 14 business days" but today I received only the compensation of one passenger into my UK bank account but missing the compensation of the other passenger on the booking (just received EUR 400.00 instead of EUR 800.00). Any light on this?
#1315
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Denmark
Programs: TK Elite
Posts: 11,852
I had both sectors of my journey to Seville (LHR-MAD-SVQ) on May 28th cancelled with just 24hrs notice. I was not offered an alternative flight to Seville until Monday 30th May so asked instead to be rerouted to Malaga on the 28th and arranged an onward transfer. I arrived on time to Malaga but this was 1hr 45mins later than my original flight would have arrived to Seville. Is this the total length of the delay or does it include some or all of the time taken to reach Seville?
#1316
Join Date: Mar 2014
Programs: BAEC Silver
Posts: 635
Hi, firstly thanks to everyone who contributes to this board and thread for your help!
I am trying to work out (1) who I can claim duty of care expenses and compensation from and (2) whether to do MCOL or CEDR for ease / simplicity.
2 travellers, caught out by Comair's grounding in March 2022, on the return leg (PLZ-JNB-LHR) on a BA Holidays package. So the original cause of the delay was PLZ-JNB being cancelled, BA didn't correspond with us at all, their delay in contacting us and refusal to rebook our long-haul on any other airline (e.g. Qatar) meant we were delayed by 2 days. So that's one lot of expenses (duty of care). Then from JNB-LHR two days later, the aircraft had an instrumentation issue and was delayed another 24 hours, so that's more duty of care expenses and a solid case for UK261 compensation due to both passengers. We put in a claim ~10 weeks ago and last had an email saying 'sorry for the delay in responding' in April 2022 so it's time I wrote a letter before action. The BAH duty call handler explicitly said we could claim our expenses through BA (not Comair) so for MCOL/CEDR is the claim for all expenses and compensation against BA Plc (or BA Holidays) or do I need to unpick the expenses caused by Comair and the expenses caused by BA long-haul? And then because there are some expenses on my credit card and some on my partners, can I claim for everything from CEDR in one claim? I think this will be simpler than trying to split the expenses and compensation claim for MCOL and then going through it all again for the second person. Can you claim interest through either CEDR or MCOL for BA's delaying tactics/failure to respond? Thoughts? (Thanks in advance)
I am trying to work out (1) who I can claim duty of care expenses and compensation from and (2) whether to do MCOL or CEDR for ease / simplicity.
2 travellers, caught out by Comair's grounding in March 2022, on the return leg (PLZ-JNB-LHR) on a BA Holidays package. So the original cause of the delay was PLZ-JNB being cancelled, BA didn't correspond with us at all, their delay in contacting us and refusal to rebook our long-haul on any other airline (e.g. Qatar) meant we were delayed by 2 days. So that's one lot of expenses (duty of care). Then from JNB-LHR two days later, the aircraft had an instrumentation issue and was delayed another 24 hours, so that's more duty of care expenses and a solid case for UK261 compensation due to both passengers. We put in a claim ~10 weeks ago and last had an email saying 'sorry for the delay in responding' in April 2022 so it's time I wrote a letter before action. The BAH duty call handler explicitly said we could claim our expenses through BA (not Comair) so for MCOL/CEDR is the claim for all expenses and compensation against BA Plc (or BA Holidays) or do I need to unpick the expenses caused by Comair and the expenses caused by BA long-haul? And then because there are some expenses on my credit card and some on my partners, can I claim for everything from CEDR in one claim? I think this will be simpler than trying to split the expenses and compensation claim for MCOL and then going through it all again for the second person. Can you claim interest through either CEDR or MCOL for BA's delaying tactics/failure to respond? Thoughts? (Thanks in advance)
#1317
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: UK
Programs: BA Silver, IHG Platinum
Posts: 943
Looking for some advice on whether CEDR/MCOL is the best avenue for this. I'm still waiting on a response for an email submitted on the 1st of March. I'm aware this is well beyond 8 weeks, but I didn't submit anything to CEDR due to other things going on/my own laziness.
In essence, the claim is for compensation as both legs of my CE flight were operated 3-3 due to disruption (my route saw no cancellations). I have seen a couple of people say they were compensated on this already, but I've not heard back yet. In short, I asked for a portion of the fare difference to be refunded. In reality, I'd accept a decent amount of avios.
Anyway, I finally got round to filing the CEDR claim a couple of nights ago. When viewing the options presented to me for "claim type", none of them match my circumstances. You get baggage, cancellation, delayed flight, denied boarding or problems faced by disabled passengers.
Having seen this, it looks like MCOL might be the better solution here. Is it a fair assumption that this isn't really in the scope of CEDR and MCOL os the better option?
In essence, the claim is for compensation as both legs of my CE flight were operated 3-3 due to disruption (my route saw no cancellations). I have seen a couple of people say they were compensated on this already, but I've not heard back yet. In short, I asked for a portion of the fare difference to be refunded. In reality, I'd accept a decent amount of avios.
Anyway, I finally got round to filing the CEDR claim a couple of nights ago. When viewing the options presented to me for "claim type", none of them match my circumstances. You get baggage, cancellation, delayed flight, denied boarding or problems faced by disabled passengers.
Having seen this, it looks like MCOL might be the better solution here. Is it a fair assumption that this isn't really in the scope of CEDR and MCOL os the better option?
They have said that I'm entitled to a partial refund of the fare paid and that they'll be in touch separately about this. I'll await further details.
#1318
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Las Vegas NV
Programs: BA Gold; Marriott Gold ; Hilton Gold
Posts: 44
Does anyone have an idea of how long it takes for a request like this to be processed? On 30 May I was downgraded from First to CW at the gate due to a broken seat, even though it wasn't even my seat. I sent them the below email last week, this was a paid reservation and I am now BA silver. I send this to the email address listed on the from letter they gave me at the gate
I was downgraded from First to Club World at the gate due to broken seat. (1A) However the actual broken seat was not mine but another passenger who was given my fully operational seat (my boarding pass seat was 2A), despite the fact that I had purchased the seat almost a year prior on June 20 2021. I respectfully request my 75% fare reimbursement per EC 261/2004. In addition I request a significant discount code or First Upgrade code for a future flight as compensation for this issue. In my opinion the fact that it wasn't even my seat that was broken, warrants this additional concession from BA. I appreciate your consideration of this request.
I was downgraded from First to Club World at the gate due to broken seat. (1A) However the actual broken seat was not mine but another passenger who was given my fully operational seat (my boarding pass seat was 2A), despite the fact that I had purchased the seat almost a year prior on June 20 2021. I respectfully request my 75% fare reimbursement per EC 261/2004. In addition I request a significant discount code or First Upgrade code for a future flight as compensation for this issue. In my opinion the fact that it wasn't even my seat that was broken, warrants this additional concession from BA. I appreciate your consideration of this request.
#1319
Moderator, Iberia Airlines, Airport Lounges, and Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club
Original Poster
Join Date: Feb 2010
Programs: BA Lifetime Gold; Flying Blue Life Platinum; LH Sen.; Hilton Diamond; Kemal Kebabs Prized Customer
Posts: 63,830
Would appreciate if someone has any idea on how BA pays the claim for EC261? I received a successful response to my claim on 26th May 2022 for a delayed flight LHR/ATH for my mother and myself (different last names, same claim). BA answer was "400 EUR each and we will transfer the total directly into your account within 14 business days" but today I received only the compensation of one passenger into my UK bank account but missing the compensation of the other passenger on the booking (just received EUR 400.00 instead of EUR 800.00). Any light on this?
#1320
Moderator, Iberia Airlines, Airport Lounges, and Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club
Original Poster
Join Date: Feb 2010
Programs: BA Lifetime Gold; Flying Blue Life Platinum; LH Sen.; Hilton Diamond; Kemal Kebabs Prized Customer
Posts: 63,830
2 travellers, caught out by Comair's grounding in March 2022, on the return leg (PLZ-JNB-LHR) on a BA Holidays package. So the original cause of the delay was PLZ-JNB being cancelled, BA didn't correspond with us at all, their delay in contacting us and refusal to rebook our long-haul on any other airline (e.g. Qatar) meant we were delayed by 2 days. So that's one lot of expenses (duty of care). Then from JNB-LHR two days later, the aircraft had an instrumentation issue and was delayed another 24 hours, so that's more duty of care expenses and a solid case for UK261 compensation due to both passengers. We put in a claim ~10 weeks ago and last had an email saying 'sorry for the delay in responding' in April 2022 so it's time I wrote a letter before action. The BAH duty call handler explicitly said we could claim our expenses through BA (not Comair) so for MCOL/CEDR is the claim for all expenses and compensation against BA Plc (or BA Holidays) or do I need to unpick the expenses caused by Comair and the expenses caused by BA long-haul? And then because there are some expenses on my credit card and some on my partners, can I claim for everything from CEDR in one claim? I think this will be simpler than trying to split the expenses and compensation claim for MCOL and then going through it all again for the second person. Can you claim interest through either CEDR or MCOL for BA's delaying tactics/failure to respond? Thoughts? (Thanks in advance)