Denied boarding, tricky one
#31
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Wasn't aware this was an already rerouted itinerary that started as something simole. I failed to notice that part....
Reroutes - if BA offered a QR reroute on that itinerary then more fool them for creating that ability in the first place. Never heard of anything so stupid for even allowing it.
Same for IST-LHR via DOH.
Service wise it's a lovely upgrade but seriously?????
Reroutes - if BA offered a QR reroute on that itinerary then more fool them for creating that ability in the first place. Never heard of anything so stupid for even allowing it.
Same for IST-LHR via DOH.
Service wise it's a lovely upgrade but seriously?????
Ive seen loads of examples of this. FCO-LHR rebooked FCO-DOH-LHR. No further Re bookings like permitted now. They even booked into revenue buckets so 280 TP and Avios earnt. Not bad for a cheap RFS.
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Thanks,
Despite the disappointment, we are off on LHR-CDG-FRA-ZRH-GRU-BOG on Friday for 10days,(to keep ourselves entertained), with a team offsite in Cartagena over the weekend. It has been a while since i did LX F so will be nice to retry it after LH pulled most of 747s out of the skies.
Despite the disappointment, we are off on LHR-CDG-FRA-ZRH-GRU-BOG on Friday for 10days,(to keep ourselves entertained), with a team offsite in Cartagena over the weekend. It has been a while since i did LX F so will be nice to retry it after LH pulled most of 747s out of the skies.
Conclusions
- First ground service is patchy, but when it works it's good, BA, my usual F carrier, could really up their game in this respect
- I don't know what you have to do to get a Merc airside transfer rather than a mini bus!
- If you like to sleep, both in the air and on the ground, I've encountered no better airline
- Food is OK but not amazing, beverage is mediocre, for a First product
- The crews I encoutered were pleasant and efficient, but I didn't find I had a particularly memorable experience because of them.
- First ground service is patchy, but when it works it's good, BA, my usual F carrier, could really up their game in this respect
- I don't know what you have to do to get a Merc airside transfer rather than a mini bus!
- If you like to sleep, both in the air and on the ground, I've encountered no better airline
- Food is OK but not amazing, beverage is mediocre, for a First product
- The crews I encoutered were pleasant and efficient, but I didn't find I had a particularly memorable experience because of them.
Last edited by Howard Long; Nov 29, 2020 at 12:41 pm
#34
There is still lot of business that needs to be done face to face. There is a reason I fly to Bogota every month and it ain't to take a swim in the Caribbean
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The visor isn't required in J between boarding completion and arrival. If it had been, you're absolutely right, I wouldn't have booked.
Last edited by Howard Long; Nov 29, 2020 at 1:15 pm
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When choosing a supplier that your business will have some dependence on, call me old fashioned, but there's nothing like seeing the whites of the eyes, even if pressing the flesh is currently no longer a thing. Let me explain...
IME, you only make the mistake of flying blind on a new supplier once, and for me it was an expensive mistake about ten years ago. It'll come as no surprise that suppliers have quite the propensity to over promise and under deliver, sometimes devastatingly so. For example, non delivery on a six month lead time item isn't going to be cheap to rectify either in financial terms or in terms of reputational damage of non-delivery. You can wrap it up in legal remedies all you like, but that's still no guarantee of a smooth transaction. In manufacturing in my particular line, no contract supplier is going to offer any form of indemnity anyway, they tend to offer relatively meaningless gestures after a screw up that don't come anywhere near to the actual cost.
In short it's about mutual trust, and reducing financial & reputational risk. I find that a lot more clarity comes out in the wash in a face-to-face compared to a phone call, in terms of clarity of detail, expectation management, as well as detecting some of those rather more elusive traits.
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I simply can't see what your complaint can accomplish. Qatari official information has been very clear on this - citizens and residents only for now. And you are neither.
If I was on the other side of the complaint, I would make sure you be banned for life.
#39
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It's clear that the OP is not allowed into Qatar, and its also clear that the OP was never seeking to enter Qatar. The OP wasn't going to ask an immigration officer to let him in. So it's easy to see how the OP got himself into this situation, and is now a bit annoyed with bureaucracy.
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It's clear that the OP is not allowed into Qatar, and its also clear that the OP was never seeking to enter Qatar. The OP wasn't going to ask an immigration officer to let him in. So it's easy to see how the OP got himself into this situation, and is now a bit annoyed with bureaucracy.
Now Qatar is a persona non grata country for everyone else except its citizens and residents. You can argue what you want on behalf of OP. But based on OP's own words, everything is pretty much conclusive.
#41
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Because Qatar allows visa-free/visa on arrival (not sure about the exact arrangement) for UK Passport holders. That's why you have no problem at all.
I simply can't see what your complaint can accomplish. Qatari official information has been very clear on this - citizens and residents only for now. And you are neither.
If I was on the other side of the complaint, I would make sure you be banned for life.
I simply can't see what your complaint can accomplish. Qatari official information has been very clear on this - citizens and residents only for now. And you are neither.
If I was on the other side of the complaint, I would make sure you be banned for life.
#42
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This isn't a "tricky" situation. There is no world of "immediate turnarounds" or "staying airside" outside of Flyertalk. You are flying somewhere or you aren't. You have the documents or you don't.
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#44
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Sure. It is COVID-19 time anyway. Right or wrong - their jobs are at risk anyway.
Booking a flight to DOH as the final destination is a clear, objective intent that OP seeks to enter Qatar, regardless OP's actual plan. Even assuming OP would be there to transit with proof of connecting flights, OP must still adhere the transit formality.
Now Qatar is a persona non grata country for everyone else except its citizens and residents. You can argue what you want on behalf of OP. But based on OP's own words, everything is pretty much conclusive.
Booking a flight to DOH as the final destination is a clear, objective intent that OP seeks to enter Qatar, regardless OP's actual plan. Even assuming OP would be there to transit with proof of connecting flights, OP must still adhere the transit formality.
Now Qatar is a persona non grata country for everyone else except its citizens and residents. You can argue what you want on behalf of OP. But based on OP's own words, everything is pretty much conclusive.
You might think the OP has a weak case, but he has acted in good faith and the outcome here could be quite harsh. He deserves some sympathy.
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