BA Recall Staff from 26 Jun [the BA staff/unions/redundancies thread]
Jun 26, 2020, 3:40 am
#61
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So, on the one hand, you don't want people to say what cabin crew should or should not earn, but on the other you turn around the very next second and say exactly what you don't want to hear about someone else. I hope you can see where other people are coming from based on your own reaction to someone else's pay or responsibilities attached to a job.
I don’t want anyone to have a pay cut forced on them during this pandemic. I do have Managers who are friends and I don’t want any of them to lose their jobs or take a pay cut.
I realise that restructuring and redundancies are going to be needed. I wish this had all been handled a little more carefully and thoughtfully at the start. I can see that BA now is responding to staff concerns about taking large pay cuts and hopefully the unions will start to engage.
Jun 26, 2020, 4:08 am
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As far as salary cuts a concerned - one was forced upon me because of the changes in business due to the Covid crisis. I accepted it as a necessity. Of course, it does not mean that other people should feel the same way.
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Jun 26, 2020, 4:18 am
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I predict that BA will not merge all fleets but just merge EF and WW, it would be madness having ex WW and EF crew on more money than ex MF CSMs managing them, BA have made a huge cockup with their response to cutting costs and every move they make they are making it worse.
Jun 26, 2020, 4:27 am
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Does that mean that there will be Mixed Fleet crews working alongside legacy crews on the plane, who are on more lucrative contracts than the other? Seems odd and a recipe for antagonism between crews.
I’m sure I read here that only WW and EF were being offered Voluntary Redundancy and not Mixed Fleet. Not sure if that is still the case.
And yet Mixed Fleet were still just as likely to lose their jobs as anyone else, (without the cushion of VR) in the restructuring?
Either BA or the unions (or both) must really hate Mixed Fleet, they don’t seem to have a huge amount of respect for them.
I’m sure I read here that only WW and EF were being offered Voluntary Redundancy and not Mixed Fleet. Not sure if that is still the case.
And yet Mixed Fleet were still just as likely to lose their jobs as anyone else, (without the cushion of VR) in the restructuring?
Either BA or the unions (or both) must really hate Mixed Fleet, they don’t seem to have a huge amount of respect for them.
Jun 26, 2020, 4:51 am
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The ever-wonderful BA "management" team have done it again.
We already know about their wondrous success in managing IT.
We already know about their brilliance in catering "enhancements"
Then we have their wine choices, - such as £5 bottles in F.
Now we have their management skills with staff. Such superlative motivational skills!
By the way, if anyone is interested in salary comparisons, go look at the NHS salaries. I would generously estimate a regualar CC member to be band 3 or 4.
A CSD would be band 6, or possibly, but unlikely, due to mandatory qualifications, band 7.
We already know about their wondrous success in managing IT.
We already know about their brilliance in catering "enhancements"
Then we have their wine choices, - such as £5 bottles in F.
Now we have their management skills with staff. Such superlative motivational skills!
By the way, if anyone is interested in salary comparisons, go look at the NHS salaries. I would generously estimate a regualar CC member to be band 3 or 4.
A CSD would be band 6, or possibly, but unlikely, due to mandatory qualifications, band 7.
Jun 26, 2020, 5:20 am
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Part of the problem with all this is that the initial S188 letter should never have been leaked. It should have kicked off a consultation process which would have got to a point like the latest proposal behind closed doors. Instead, we've got to that point, but with the Union dragging BA through the mud and losing a lot of goodwill from staff and customers alike, and even with the government.
I still think Unite should have just negotiated and if they weren't successful, then they could have then gone public.
I still think Unite should have just negotiated and if they weren't successful, then they could have then gone public.
Jun 26, 2020, 5:37 am
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I said nothing about the role of a senior cabin crew member. I have nothing but love for all cabin crew - as a passenger, they are a big part of what makes me love and choose a particular airline. I just pointed out that you were talking about someone else's job and how they do not do enough for the money they get, and yet you don't like it when people say the same things about cabin crew.
As far as salary cuts a concerned - one was forced upon me because of the changes in business due to the Covid crisis. I accepted it as a necessity. Of course, it does not mean that other people should feel the same way.
As far as salary cuts a concerned - one was forced upon me because of the changes in business due to the Covid crisis. I accepted it as a necessity. Of course, it does not mean that other people should feel the same way.
Jun 26, 2020, 5:39 am
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I predict that BA will not merge all fleets but just merge EF and WW, it would be madness having ex WW and EF crew on more money than ex MF CSMs managing them, BA have made a huge cockup with their response to cutting costs and every move they make they are making it worse.
Jun 26, 2020, 5:47 am
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Sadly, given the current management, I suspect this is exactly what will happen. There are just far too many efficiencies in having a single fleet working to single agreement. The different pay thing is a red herring, as has already been mentioned, there are a multiplicity of different pay structures in place already, and everyone rubs along just fine.
Jun 26, 2020, 5:48 am
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Not sure if all of you are aware but there are mixed crews flying together already.
Those who are currently not furloughed, had to agree to work together. So if on standby, you can be called to work with any fleet.
So a E/F Purser, called off standby, could be working with a M/F crew and for instance a M/F CSM, could be called out to take out a Worldwide crew or a Worldwide main crew could get called off standby to work on a Mixed Fleet flight etc.
Those who are currently not furloughed, had to agree to work together. So if on standby, you can be called to work with any fleet.
So a E/F Purser, called off standby, could be working with a M/F crew and for instance a M/F CSM, could be called out to take out a Worldwide crew or a Worldwide main crew could get called off standby to work on a Mixed Fleet flight etc.
Jun 26, 2020, 5:53 am
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Isn’t that only for repatriation flights Littlegirl?
Jun 26, 2020, 5:53 am
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Sadly, given the current management, I suspect this is exactly what will happen. There are just far too many efficiencies in having a single fleet working to single agreement. The different pay thing is a red herring, as has already been mentioned, there are a multiplicity of different pay structures in place already, and everyone rubs along just fine.
For a lot of staff Mixed Flying won’t be what they want to do but I do think that some legacy crew will apply to stay on the new contract. I
Jun 26, 2020, 5:55 am
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Jun 26, 2020, 5:59 am
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Jun 26, 2020, 6:04 am
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Part of the problem with all this is that the initial S188 letter should never have been leaked. It should have kicked off a consultation process which would have got to a point like the latest proposal behind closed doors. Instead, we've got to that point, but with the Union dragging BA through the mud and losing a lot of goodwill from staff and customers alike, and even with the government.
I still think Unite should have just negotiated and if they weren't successful, then they could have then gone public.
I still think Unite should have just negotiated and if they weren't successful, then they could have then gone public.