BA Recall Staff from 26 Jun [the BA staff/unions/redundancies thread]
Jun 25, 2020, 12:48 pm
#46
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Don't forget basic pay isn't everything. The allowances changes may add up to more than a 20% cut - not sure. But also a single fleet operating mixed flying on a MF style scheduling rules will bring productivity improvements meaning less crew needed overall (vs 3 fleets) and the single fleet will bring back office simplicity.
Yup still a single fleet with all the other changes.
Yup still a single fleet with all the other changes.
Jun 25, 2020, 1:37 pm
#47
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They haven’t a hope in hell of this being satisfactory, when Unite sit down with BA we will then see what the proposal is.
Jun 25, 2020, 1:55 pm
#48
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I imagine that there may still be room for movement for when Unite meet with IFCE.
Jun 25, 2020, 2:03 pm
#49
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Room, there is a mile.
Jun 25, 2020, 3:00 pm
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i wonder if more staff will be back in the call centre
got my forward travel voucher but cant use it as nobody is answering my call keep getting the " sorry we cant answer your call right now please call back later "
do they realize that some of us are still working full time and cant sit trying to call all day ?
there should be a online option to use your ftv
got my forward travel voucher but cant use it as nobody is answering my call keep getting the " sorry we cant answer your call right now please call back later "
do they realize that some of us are still working full time and cant sit trying to call all day ?
there should be a online option to use your ftv
No UK contact centre staff were furloughed at all.
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Jun 25, 2020, 5:27 pm
#51
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You do realise that two contact centres were closed? India and South Africa were both closed because of their respective countries lockdown. Not to mention that call volumes were unprecedented even when they were open because of the current situation.
No UK contact centre staff were furloughed at all.
No UK contact centre staff were furloughed at all.
Jun 25, 2020, 5:32 pm
#52
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I hope for the best for everyone but the figures released for 80% pay protection still leaves many crew higher paid than many across the business. And I'm not talking mixed fleet or apprentices, but if the £56k basic example is to believed there are many managers who would love to be on that salary.
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Jun 25, 2020, 5:38 pm
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I hope for the best for everyone but the figures released for 80% pay protection still leaves many crew higher paid than many across the business. And I'm not taking mixed fleet or apprentices, but if the £56k basic example is to believed there are many managers who would love to be on that salary.
I really do find comments like this pretty odd. Why do so many of you want to lower another persons wage!
BA is rammed full of so called managers that don’t do as much managing as a CSD or CSM does. They literally spend the whole flight managing and trouble shooting issues.
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Jun 25, 2020, 5:51 pm
#54
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Do you think the managers who have teams of crew should be paid at least £56k plus allowances? If you do, then sadly you are wrong because pay is nothing like that.
Edit to add: I'm not in favour of lowering people's wages. My point was that there are many SCCMs at BA that don't earn the same wages, and there are many of the management team that are paid less. £56k is a great salary to be on no matter what you do.
Jun 25, 2020, 6:29 pm
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So do you think that ex-CSDs should remain on £56k basic ex-CSMs get £32 overall?
Do you think the managers who have teams of crew should be paid at least £56k plus allowances? If you do, then sadly you are wrong because pay is nothing like that.
Edit to add: I'm not in favour of lowering people's wages. My point was that there are many SCCMs at BA that don't earn the same wages, and there are many of the management team that are paid less. £56k is a great salary to be on no matter what you do.
Do you think the managers who have teams of crew should be paid at least £56k plus allowances? If you do, then sadly you are wrong because pay is nothing like that.
Edit to add: I'm not in favour of lowering people's wages. My point was that there are many SCCMs at BA that don't earn the same wages, and there are many of the management team that are paid less. £56k is a great salary to be on no matter what you do.
Ultimately the wages will even out as older contract staff leave or retire.
Jun 25, 2020, 7:33 pm
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They are not going to be nightstopping crew in Europe for a considerable length of time, so those flights where the crew get off and nightstop and another crew takes the flight back, either straight away or the following morning, are likely to be cancelled, leaving the operating sectors being the ones already operated as a there and back service with the one crew.
I wonder if they will try and cut back nightstops in the longer term too. Aer Lingus don’t have any European nightstops I believe.
Jun 25, 2020, 8:39 pm
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I’m sure I read here that only WW and EF were being offered Voluntary Redundancy and not Mixed Fleet. Not sure if that is still the case.
And yet Mixed Fleet were still just as likely to lose their jobs as anyone else, (without the cushion of VR) in the restructuring?
Either BA or the unions (or both) must really hate Mixed Fleet, they don’t seem to have a huge amount of respect for them.
Jun 26, 2020, 12:13 am
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There are still Newcastle,Manchester and Bremen that are open, Capetown and Delhi are the contact centres that are closed.
Jun 26, 2020, 1:45 am
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So, on the one hand, you don't want people to say what cabin crew should or should not earn, but on the other you turn around the very next second and say exactly what you don't want to hear about someone else. I hope you can see where other people are coming from based on your own reaction to someone else's pay or responsibilities attached to a job.