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A collaborative collection and discussion of nice Avios-earning and TP-earning J & F premium fare deals.
This thread is not for TP runs or published sales.
Some links to relevant threads for that can be found below.


Also in 2017: Enjoy your Premium Experience.

Oneworld: Italy and various EU to New York in club €1250
Current QR Sale Fares (yes, I did...)
QR/UL FRA-MLE via DOH+CMB: 1380€ RT across the board. 640 TP.
Switzerland/Italy/Sweden to East & West Coast USA in WTP (PE) €600/690 (3x Avios)

Update August 4th 2017:
QR: TUN-DOH-KUL return (J), ~£1000, 560TP
QR: TUN-DOH-JNB return (J), ~£1111, 560TP
QR: VCE-DOH-BKK return (J), ~£1242, 560TP
QR: HEL-DOH-BKK return (J), ~£1321, 560TP [AVAILABLE - BOOKING 23AUG17 ONLY - FOR GBP1217]
MH: KUL-PER return (J), ~£664, 280TP
BA/AA: LHR-MIA-PTY return (J), ~£1300, 560TP
BA: MXP-LHR-DXB return (J), ~£1150, 360TP
BA: AMS-LHR-BKK return (J), ~£1300, 360TP
BA/IB/AA: MXP-LHR/MAD-JFK return (J), ~£1700, 360TP
BA/AA: INV-LHR-ORD return (J), ~£1300, 360TP
QR/UL: FRA-DOH-CMB-MLE return (J), ~£1351, 640TP
AY: OSL-HEL-BKK return (J), ~£1200, 360TP
AY: ARN-HEL-BKK return (J), ~£1300, 360TP
BA: HEL-LHR-BRU-LHR-HEL (J) ~£580, 240TP




Expired
Finnair J, ARN / GOT - BKK, 1150 GBP return (valid till Jan 9th)
TXL and Portugal to JNB for £1350/1450 on BA discussed from post 5021 onwards.. (expired 1st Feb)
CONSOLIDATED QR 2017 Travel Festival Fares
LHR-Asia/Oz for £1100/1500 on MH

FIRST CLASS - RTM/AMS/BRU to West Coast (SFO, SAN, YVR, SEA) starting at £2330...(Expired 1st Feb)

For promos to the US (often, but TP heavy routes in general) it is always a good idea to look at BA Tier Point Runs 2017 master thread. Current sales are often in the Wiki there.

Please use http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...are-deals.html for WT or WTP deals.

Here is a link to the original Premium Fare Deals thread.

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Old Jul 19, 2017, 5:17 am
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All IB longhaul aircraft now have the new seats, and very nice they are.

Book via BA to avoid a headache.
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Old Jul 19, 2017, 5:20 am
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Originally Posted by BA6501
All IB longhaul aircraft now have the new seats, and very nice they are.

Book via BA to avoid a headache.
Thanks Usually just do A-B flights via Phone. Let's see how this one works out
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Old Jul 19, 2017, 8:51 am
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Originally Posted by pebadian
Pretty cool. Found a good one for December/January:
AMS/MAD/MIA - some days in MIA (IB A330, is J in this one ok?)
MIA/SJO - some days in Costa Rica
SJO/MIA/LHR// (BA A380) //LGW/AMS - Same day. You know why

1230 GBP. Not bad for a winter holiday and nice Avios as Golds.
Is that INN4SO?

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RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS	   NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT
   VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
   PUBLIC FARES
   APPLICATION
    AREA
     THESE FARES APPLY 
      BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 2.
    CLASS OF SERVICE
     THESE FARES APPLY FOR BUSINESS CLASS SERVICE.
    TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
     THIS RULE GOVERNS ONE-WAY AND ROUND-TRIP FARES.
     FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE
      ONE-WAY/ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.
    CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
     THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS
      CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY
      THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE
      AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS,
      WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN
      FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIERS BEST
      JUDGEMENT.
    OTHER CONDITIONS
     THE TICKET IS INVALID FOR TRAVEL IF FLIGHT
     COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN SEQUENCE.
     ---
     PASSENGER EXPENSES NOT ABSORBED BY CARRIER.
     ---
     FARE DOES NOT APPLY FOR REFUND CALCULATION AFTER
     TRAVEL AT HIGHER FARE.
ELIGIBILITY	   NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
DAY/TIME	   NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
SEASONALITY	   NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
FLIGHT APPLICATION	   THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
       ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
           ANY AB FLIGHT OPERATED BY BT
           ANY AB FLIGHT OPERATED BY EY
           ANY AB FLIGHT OPERATED BY F7
           ANY AB FLIGHT OPERATED BY HM
           ANY AB FLIGHT OPERATED BY HU
           ANY AB FLIGHT OPERATED BY IG
           ANY AB FLIGHT OPERATED BY JU
           ANY AB FLIGHT OPERATED BY PC
           ANY AB FLIGHT OPERATED BY PG
           ANY AB FLIGHT OPERATED BY VA
           ANY AY FLIGHT OPERATED BY AF
           ANY AY FLIGHT OPERATED BY B2
           ANY AY FLIGHT OPERATED BY FI
           ANY AY FLIGHT OPERATED BY PG
           ANY AY FLIGHT OPERATED BY TF
           ANY AY FLIGHT OPERATED BY TP
           AY FLIGHTS 8100 THROUGH 8700 OPERATED BY BE.
   AND
   THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
       ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
           ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY 5Q
           ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY AT
           ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY AV
           ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY FB
           ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY G3
           ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY IG
           ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY LY
           ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY PS
           ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY OK
           ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY TA
           ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY VY
           IB FLIGHTS 1250 THROUGH 1330
           IB FLIGHTS 2310 THROUGH 2399.
   AND
   THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
       ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
           ANY JJ FLIGHT OPERATED BY AC
           ANY JJ FLIGHT OPERATED BY AM
           ANY JJ FLIGHT OPERATED BY CA
           ANY JJ FLIGHT OPERATED BY LH
           ANY JJ FLIGHT OPERATED BY LX
           ANY JJ FLIGHT OPERATED BY NH
           ANY JJ FLIGHT OPERATED BY PZ
           ANY JJ FLIGHT OPERATED BY SA
           ANY JJ FLIGHT OPERATED BY UA
           ANY JJ FLIGHT OPERATED BY US
           ANY LA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AM
           ANY LA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AS
           ANY LA FLIGHT OPERATED BY KE
           ANY LA FLIGHT OPERATED BY PZ.
   AND
   THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
       ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
           ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AS
           ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BB
           ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY EY
           ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY FJ
           ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY HA
           ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY HU
           ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY JQ
           ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY QX
           ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY TN
           ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY WS
           ANY QR FLIGHT OPERATED BY 2C
           ANY QR FLIGHT OPERATED BY B6
           ANY QR FLIGHT OPERATED BY G3
           ANY QR FLIGHT OPERATED BY ME
           ANY QR FLIGHT OPERATED BY NH
           ANY QR FLIGHT OPERATED BY PG
           ANY QR FLIGHT OPERATED BY US
           ANY QR FLIGHT OPERATED BY WY.
   AND
   THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
       ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
           ANY S7 FLIGHT OPERATED BY A3
           ANY S7 FLIGHT OPERATED BY B2
           ANY S7 FLIGHT OPERATED BY EY
           ANY S7 FLIGHT OPERATED BY HU
           ANY S7 FLIGHT OPERATED BY IG
           ANY S7 FLIGHT OPERATED BY J2
           ANY S7 FLIGHT OPERATED BY LY
           ANY S7 FLIGHT OPERATED BY OZ
           ANY S7 FLIGHT OPERATED BY PS
           ANY S7 FLIGHT OPERATED BY TP
           ANY US FLIGHT OPERATED BY A3
           ANY US FLIGHT OPERATED BY CA
           ANY US FLIGHT OPERATED BY HA
           ANY US FLIGHT OPERATED BY SA
           ANY US FLIGHT OPERATED BY TK
           ANY US FLIGHT OPERATED BY TP.
   AND
   THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
       ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
           4M FLIGHTS 5000 THROUGH 6999
           4M FLIGHTS 8000 THROUGH 8399
           4M FLIGHTS 3000 THROUGH 3999
           AC FLIGHTS 2200 THROUGH 6999
           AC FLIGHTS 7200 THROUGH 7649
           AC FLIGHTS 9000 THROUGH 9999
           AI FLIGHTS 1000 THROUGH 8999
           AS FLIGHTS 1000 THROUGH 1999
           AS FLIGHTS 3000 THROUGH 9999
           AT FLIGHTS 9000 THROUGH 9999
           AV FLIGHTS 2000 THROUGH 2299
           AV FLIGHTS 2600 THROUGH 2999
           AV FLIGHTS 4300 THROUGH 4999
           AV FLIGHTS 6000 THROUGH 6999
           B6 FLIGHTS 3000 THROUGH 5999
           BR FLIGHTS 2141 THROUGH 3999
           BT FLIGHTS 5000 THROUGH 5999
           BT FLIGHTS 7000 THROUGH 7999
           9W FLIGHTS 2000 THROUGH 2999
           9W FLIGHTS 4000 THROUGH 7999.
   AND
   THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
       ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
           LP FLIGHTS 3000 THROUGH 3999
           LP FLIGHTS 5000 THROUGH 6999
           LP FLIGHTS 8000 THROUGH 8399
           LR FLIGHTS 0100 THROUGH 0160
           LR FLIGHTS 0702 THROUGH 0720
           LR FLIGHTS 2000 THROUGH 2009
           LR FLIGHTS 6000 THROUGH 6999
           LX FLIGHTS 3000 THROUGH 4999
           LX FLIGHTS 7400 THROUGH 7499
           LY FLIGHTS 8000 THROUGH 8999
           MI FLIGHTS 1000 THROUGH 9999
           MU FLIGHTS 1000 THROUGH 1999
           MU FLIGHTS 7000 THROUGH 9999.
   AND
   THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
       ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
           SA FLIGHTS 7000 THROUGH 7950
           SN FLIGHTS 4000 THROUGH 9999
           SS FLIGHTS 3000 THROUGH 4999
           SS FLIGHTS 8000 THROUGH 8999
           SU FLIGHTS 3000 THROUGH 4299
           SU FLIGHTS 4400 THROUGH 4599
           SW FLIGHTS 2000 THROUGH 2999
           TA FLIGHTS 0100 THROUGH 0160
           TA FLIGHTS 0702 THROUGH 0720
           UA FLIGHTS 0001 THROUGH 1299
           UO FLIGHTS 1000 THROUGH 1999
           VN FLIGHTS 2000 THROUGH 3999
           VS FLIGHTS 2000 THROUGH 3999
           VS FLIGHTS 5000 THROUGH 9999
           WS FLIGHTS 5000 THROUGH 8849
           XL FLIGHTS 3000 THROUGH 3999
           XL FLIGHTS 5000 THROUGH 6999
           XL FLIGHTS 8000 THROUGH 8399.
   AND
   IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN AREA 1
       THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST NOT BE ON
       ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
         ANY AV FLIGHT.
   AND
   THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH
   TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR ON
       ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
           ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA
           ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB.
ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING	   ORIGINATING AREA 1 -
     CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE REQUIRED
     AT LEAST 14 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE.
     WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE AT LEAST 35 DAYS BEFORE
     DEPARTURE, TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 28
     DAYS AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE.
     OR - CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE
          REQUIRED AT LEAST 14 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE,
          TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED AT LEAST 14 DAYS
          BEFORE DEPARTURE.
         NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
          TICKET NUMBER MUST BE SHOWN IN THE PNR AND
          TRANSMITTED TO THE AIRLINE.
          DUE TO TTL ROBOT PROCESS DIFFERENCE COULD EXIST
          BETWEEN THE CRS LAST TICKETING DATE AND TTL
          ROBOT REMARK.
          THE INFORMATION BY SSR IN THE PNR PREVAILS.
   ORIGINATING AREA 2 -
     CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE REQUIRED
     AT LEAST 14 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE.
     TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 3 DAYS AFTER
     RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 14 DAYS BEFORE
     DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER.
         NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
          TICKET NUMBER MUST BE SHOWN IN THE PNR AND
          TRANSMITTED TO THE AIRLINE.
          DUE TO TTL ROBOT PROCESS DIFFERENCE COULD EXIST
          BETWEEN THE CRS LAST TICKETING DATE AND TTL
          ROBOT REMARK.
          THE INFORMATION BY SSR IN THE PNR PREVAILS.
MINIMUM STAY	   TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER
   THAN THE FIRST SUN AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
MAXIMUM STAY	   TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN
   12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
STOPOVERS	   2 FREE STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT - 1 IN
   EACH DIRECTION.
   AND - 2 STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT - 1 IN
         EACH DIRECTION AT EUR 75.00/USD 105.00 EACH.
TRANSFERS	   FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED
   SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.
         NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
          TRANSFERS LIMITTED TO THE ROUTING MAP INDICATED
          IN THE FARE RECORD
COMBINATIONS	   OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS/END-ON-END
     FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
     -TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/
      CIRCLE TRIPSEND-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED.
      VALIDATE ALL FARE COMBINATIONS.
     PROVIDED -
       COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER IB IN
       ANY RULE IN TARIFF
       EUAFRPV - BETWEEN EUROPE-AFRICA
       FBRA12P - BETWEEN AREA 1/2 EXCEPT USA/CA
       FBRA2P  - WITHIN AREA 2
       FBRINPV - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 1/2/3
       IPRA    - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2
       IPRAI   - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL
       IPREUAF - BETWEEN EUROPE-AFRICA
       IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2
       VIA ATL
       SAR2RPV - BETWEEN WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA
       ATL
       TAPVR   - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2.
       COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER BA IN
       ANY RULE IN TARIFF
       EUAFRPV - BETWEEN EUROPE-AFRICA
       FBRA12P - BETWEEN AREA 1/2 EXCEPT USA/CA
       FBRA2P  - WITHIN AREA 2
       FBRINPV - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 1/2/3
       IPRA    - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2
       IPRAI   - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL
       IPREUAF - BETWEEN EUROPE-AFRICA
       IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2
       VIA ATL
       SAR2RPV - BETWEEN WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA
       ATL
       TAPVR   - BETWEEN AREA 1-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2.
BLACKOUT DATES	   NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.
SURCHARGES	   NO SURCHARGE REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL	   ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.
TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS	   VALID FOR TRAVEL COMMENCING ON/BEFORE 31DEC17.
SALES RESTRICTIONS	   FOOTNOTE RULE
   RESERVATIONS MUST BE MADE ON/BEFORE 21AUG17.
   TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON/BEFORE 21AUG17.
 
   FARE RULE
   TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR IB AND
   MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA.
   TICKETS MAY NOT BE ISSUED BY PTA. TICKETS MUST BE
   ISSUED BY ELECTRONIC TICKETING. EXTENSION OF TICKET
   VALIDITY IS NOT PERMITTED.
   OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR EI
        AND MAY NOT BE SOLD IN VENEZUELA.
        TICKETS MAY NOT BE ISSUED BY PTA. TICKETS MUST BE
        ISSUED BY ELECTRONIC TICKETING. EXTENSION OF
        TICKET VALIDITY IS NOT PERMITTED.
 
   GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
   TICKETS MAY NOT BE SOLD IN ARGENTINA/VENEZUELA/NIGERIA/
   ANGOLA.
   TICKETS MAY ONLY BE SOLD IN AREA 1/AREA 2/AREA 3.
PENALTIES	   CANCELLATIONS
   
     ANY TIME
       CHARGE USD 125.00/EUR 100.00.
       CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
         NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
          CHARGES APPLY PER FARE COMPONENT/DIRECTION IF THE
          REFUND IS REQUESTED BEFORE THE TICKETED DEPARTURE
          TIME OF THE FIRST UNFLOWN COUPON WITHIN THE FARE
          COMPONENT.
          ------------------------------------------------
          ------------------------------------------------
          IN CASE OF NO SHOW A PENALTY FEE OF 250 USD/200
          EUR IS APPLIED
          NOT SHOW FEE APPLIES IF THE FARE COMPONENT IS
          REFUNDED AFTER THE TICKETED DEPARTURE TIME OF THE
          FIRST UNFLOWN COUPON WITHIN THE FARE COMPONENT.
          ------------------------------------------------
          ------------------------------------------------
          ALL OTHER CANCELLATION CONDITIONS AS PER BEFORE
          TICKETED DEPARTURE TIME.
          ------------------------------------------------
          ------------------------------------------------
          WHEN COMBINING NON-REFUNDABLE FARES WITH
          REFUNDABLE FARES
          1- THE AMOUNT PAID ON EACH REFUNDABLE FARE
          COMPONENT IS REFUNDED
          2- THE AMOUNT PAID ON EACH NON-REFUNDABLE FARE
          COMPONENT WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.
          3- WHEN COMBINING FARES CHARGE THE SUM OF THE
          CANCELLATION FEES OF ALL CANCELLED FARE
          COMPONENTS.
          -------------------------------------------------
          REFUND OF UNUSED TAXES FEES AND CHARGES PAID TO
          THIRD PARTIES PERMITTED. ASSOCIATED CARRIER
          IMPOSED CHARGES ARE REFUNDABLE.
          -------------------------------------------------
          ANY NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT FROM A PREVIOUS TICKET
          REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE FOLLOWING A CHANGE.
          -------------------------------------------------
          TICKET IS NOT TRANSFERABLE TO ANOTHER PERSON.
          -------------------------------------------------
          PARTIALLY USED TICKETS - REFUND THE DIFFERENCE -
          IF ANY - BETWEEN THE FARE PAID AND THE FARE FOR
          THE JOURNEY TRAVELLED.
          -------CANCELLATION REPRICING CONDITIONS---------
          FLOWN COUPONS MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL
          FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE.
          THE FARE FOR THE JOURNEY TRAVELLED MUST BE CAPPED
          AT THE TOTAL FARE AMOUNT PLUS CARRIER IMPOSED
          CHARGE PAID ON THE TICKET BEING PRESENTED FOR
          REFUND
          FULLY FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS MAY B BE REPRICED
          USING ANY BOOKING CODE WITHIN THE SAME CABIN
          PROVIDED THE NEW FARE AMOUNT IS EQUAL OR HIGHER
          THAN ORIGINAL
          PARTIALLY FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS MUST BE REPRICED
          USING THE SAME OR HIGHER BOOKING CODE.
          --------------------------------------------------
   
   CHANGES
   
     ANY TIME
       CHARGE USD 250.00/EUR 200.00 FOR REISSUE.
       CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
         NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
          CHARGE APPLIES PER TRANSACTION-PER PERSON TO ALL
          PASSENGER TYPES.
          ------------------------------------------------
          ------------------------------------------------
          IN CASE OF NO SHOW A PENALTY FEE OF 375 USD/300
          EUR IS APPLIED
          AFTER SCHEDULED DEPARTURE TIME OF CHANGED FLIGHT
          NO SHOW FEE APPLIES FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION.
          ------------------------------------------------
          ------------------------------------------------
          A CHANGE IS A DATE/FLIGHT ROUTING/BOOKING CODE
          CHANGE. NEW RESERVATION AND REISSUE/REVALIDATION
          MUST BE MADE ON THE SAME DAY.
          ------------------------------------------------
          REISSUE MUST BE MADE THE SAME DAY AS CHANGE OF
          RESERVATION BUT NO LATER THAN SCHEDULED DEPARTURE
          TIME OF FLIGHT BEING CHANGED.
          OTHERWISE THE TICKET WILL ONLY BE VALID FOR
          REFUND IF APPLICABLE.
          WHEN MORE THAN ONE FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE
          HIGHEST PENALTY OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS
          WITHIN THE JOURNEY APPLIES.
          ------------------------------------------------
          ---------REPRICING CONDITIONS------------------
          A-BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY WHEN THE FIRST FARE
          COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE RE-
          PRICED USING CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE
          THE TICKET IS REISSUED.
          B-BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY WHEN CHANGES ARE TO
          BOOKING CODE ONLY IN THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT AND
          RESULT IN A HIGHER FARE THE ITINERARY MUST BE RE-
          PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE
          PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR USING CURRENT FARES IN
          EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED-
          WHICHEVER IS LOWER.
          C-BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY WHEN THERE ARE NO
          CHANGES TO THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT BUT OTHER
          FARE COMPONENTS ARE CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE
          RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE
          PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR USING CURRENT FARES IN
          EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED-
          WHICHEVER IS LOWER.
          D- AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY THE ITINERARY MUST
          BE RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON
          THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE.
          ------------------------------------------------
          WHEN THE ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE THE
          DIFFERENCE WILL BE COLLECTED. ANY APPLICABLE
          CHANGE FEE STILL APPLIES.
          ------------------------------------------------
          WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE
          THE CHANGE FEE APPLIES AND NO CREDIT OF THE
          RESIDUAL AMOUNT WILL BE MADE.
          -----------------------------------------------
          TICKET IS NOT TRANSFERABLE TO ANOTHER PERSON.
HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS	   NO HIP OR MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS APPLY.
TICKET ENDORSEMENTS	   THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED
   - CHGS AND REF RESTRICTED - IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.
   AND - THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE
         ANNOTATED - RESTRICTIONS APPLY - IN THE FORM OF
         PAYMENT BOX.
CHILDREN DISCOUNTS	   CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF
     THE FARE.
         TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH.
     MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
       COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER.
   OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 75
          PERCENT OF THE FARE.
              TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN.
          MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
            COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER.
         NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
          AN INFANT UNDER TWO YEARS WHO MAY TURN 2 YEARS
          OF AGE BEFORE THE END OF THE TRIP MUST PAY A
          CHILD FARE FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.
   OR - 1ST INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 -
          CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
              TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN.
          MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
            COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 18 OR OLDER.
TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS	         NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
          DISCOUNTS APPLY. INFORMATION IS NOT AVAILABLE
          AT THIS TIME...CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.
AGENT DISCOUNTS	   NO DISCOUNTS FOR SALE AGENTS.
ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS	   NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS.
MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS	   NO PROVISIONS APPLY.
FARE BY RULE	   NOT APPLICABLE.
GROUPS	   NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.
TOURS	   NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.
VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY	   NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.
DEPOSITS	   NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.
VOLUNTARY CHANGES	   IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS
   BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
   CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
   BY THOSE OF BA INTERNATIONAL FARES
   CHARGE USD 250.00/EUR 200.00 OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL
   CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS - INFANT/CHILD DISCOUNTS APPLY
   AND
     REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
     PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
     1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FARE COMPONENT
     2. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
     3. BA SAME FARE TYPE IS USED
     4. BA ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERU ARE USED
     5. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
     6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
     DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
     OR -
     REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
     PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
     1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FARE COMPONENT
     2. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
     3. BA FARES ARE USED
     4. BA ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERU ARE USED
     5. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
     TKT
     6. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
     7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
     DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
     OR -
     REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
     PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
     1. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
     2. BA SAME FARE TYPE IS USED
     3. BA ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERU ARE USED
     4. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
     DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
     OR -
     REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
     PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
     1. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
     2. BA FARES ARE USED
     3. BA ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERU ARE USED
     4. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
     TKT
     5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
     DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
   WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE REFUND RESIDUAL THEN
   ADD-COLLECT - REFUND VIA MCO
   ENDORSEMENT BOX - NEW ENDORSEMENTS.
   OR -
   BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
   CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
   BY THOSE OF BA INTERNATIONAL FARES
   CHARGE USD 375.00/EUR 300.00 OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL
   CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS - INFANT/CHILD DISCOUNTS APPLY
   AND
     CHANGES NOT PERMITTED/REFUND TKT-ANY REMAINING AMT
     WILL APPLY TO NEW TKT
     PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
     1. CHANGE IS AFTER ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
   WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE REFUND RESIDUAL THEN
   ADD-COLLECT - REFUND VIA MCO
   ENDORSEMENT BOX - NEW ENDORSEMENTS.
   OR -
   AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
   CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
   BY THOSE OF BA INTERNATIONAL FARES
   CHARGE USD 250.00/EUR 200.00 OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL
   CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS - INFANT/CHILD DISCOUNTS APPLY
   AND
     REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
     PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
     1. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
     2. BA SAME FARE TYPE IS USED
     3. BA ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERU ARE USED
     4. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
     5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
     DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
     OR -
     REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
     PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
     1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
     MUST BE DOMESTIC
     2. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
     3. BA FARES ARE USED
     4. BA ANY FARE TYPE EXCEPT EOU/ERU ARE USED
     5. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
     TKT
     6. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
     7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
     DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
   WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE REFUND RESIDUAL THEN
   ADD-COLLECT - REFUND VIA MCO
   ENDORSEMENT BOX - NEW ENDORSEMENTS.
   OR -
   AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
   CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
   BY THOSE OF BA INTERNATIONAL FARES
   CHARGE USD 375.00/EUR 300.00 OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL
   CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS - INFANT/CHILD DISCOUNTS APPLY
   AND
     CHANGES NOT PERMITTED/REFUND TKT-ANY REMAINING AMT
     WILL APPLY TO NEW TKT
     PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
     1. CHANGE IS AFTER ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
   WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE REFUND RESIDUAL THEN
   ADD-COLLECT - REFUND VIA MCO
   ENDORSEMENT BOX - NEW ENDORSEMENTS.
.
VOLUNTARY REFUNDS	   NO VOLUNTARY REFUNDS DATA FOUND.
NEGOTIATED FARES	   NOT APPLICABLE.
INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION	   NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE
.
And routing:
Code:
    V FARE BASIS     BK    FARE   TRAVEL-TICKET AP  MINMAX  RTG
  1   INN4SO         I‡R   976.00 D31DE  T21AU 14/3 SU/12M AT01
PASSENGER TYPE-ADT                 AUTO PRICE-YES              
FROM-AMS TO-SJO    CXR-IB    TVL-17OCT17  RULE-M620 IPRSAA2/27
FARE BASIS-INN4SO            SPECIAL FARE  DIS-E   VENDOR-ATP
FARE TYPE-BX      RT-BUSINESS CLASS EXCURSION
EUR   851.00  7123  E22JUN17 D31DEC17   FC-INN4SO  FN-4Z   
SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 21JUN17/0923  EXPIRES INFINITY
 
PUBLISHED RTG AMS-SJO/IB7123/TAR-SAARG   EF-22JUN17 DIS-INDEF
 
/VIA THE ATLANTIC/
MAP CONSTRUCTED LEFT TO RIGHT AND RIGHT TO LEFT
 1. AMS-IB-LON-BA/IB-BCN/MAD-BUE-SJO
 2. AMS-IB-LON-BA/IB-BCN/MAD-GUA/MIA/SAL/SJO-AV/IB/LR/TA-SJO
 3. AMS-IB-LON-BA/IB-BCN/MAD-HAV-CU/IB-SJO
 4. AMS-IB-LON-BA/IB-BCN/MAD-HAV-IB/TA-SJO
 5. AMS-IB-LON-BA/IB-BCN/MAD-MEX-IB-SJO
 6. AMS-IB-LON-BA/IB-BCN/MAD-MIA-AA/IB-SJO
 7. AMS-IB-LON-BA/IB-BCN/MAD-PTY-AV/IB/TA-SJO
 8. AMS-IB-LON-BA/IB-BCN/MAD-PTY-CM/IB-SJO
 9. AMS-IB-LON-BA/IB-BCN/MAD-SJO
10. AMS-IB-MAD-BA/IB-LON-BUE-SJO
11. AMS-IB-MAD-BA/IB-LON-GUA/MIA/SAL/SJO-AV/IB/LR/TA-SJO
12. AMS-IB-MAD-BA/IB-LON-HAV-CU/IB-SJO
13. AMS-IB-MAD-BA/IB-LON-HAV-IB/TA-SJO
14. AMS-IB-MAD-BA/IB-LON-MEX-IB-SJO
15. AMS-IB-MAD-BA/IB-LON-MIA-AA/IB-SJO
16. AMS-IB-MAD-BA/IB-LON-PTY-AV/IB/TA-SJO
17. AMS-IB-MAD-BA/IB-LON-PTY-CM/IB-SJO
18. AMS-IB-MAD-BA/IB-LON-SJO
19. AMS-LON-BA/IB-BCN/MAD-BUE-SJO
20. AMS-LON-BA/IB-BCN/MAD-GUA/MIA/SAL/SJO-AV/IB/LR/TA-SJO
21. AMS-LON-BA/IB-BCN/MAD-HAV-CU/IB-SJO
22. AMS-LON-BA/IB-BCN/MAD-HAV-IB/TA-SJO
23. AMS-LON-BA/IB-BCN/MAD-MEX-IB-SJO
24. AMS-LON-BA/IB-BCN/MAD-MIA-AA/IB-SJO
25. AMS-LON-BA/IB-BCN/MAD-PTY-AV/IB/TA-SJO
26. AMS-LON-BA/IB-BCN/MAD-PTY-CM/IB-SJO
27. AMS-LON-BA/IB-BCN/MAD-SJO
28. AMS-MAD-BA/IB-LON-BUE-SJO
29. AMS-MAD-BA/IB-LON-GUA/MIA/SAL/SJO-AV/IB/LR/TA-SJO
30. AMS-MAD-BA/IB-LON-HAV-CU/IB-SJO
31. AMS-MAD-BA/IB-LON-HAV-IB/TA-SJO
32. AMS-MAD-BA/IB-LON-MEX-IB-SJO
33. AMS-MAD-BA/IB-LON-MIA-AA/IB-SJO
34. AMS-MAD-BA/IB-LON-PTY-AV/IB/TA-SJO
35. AMS-MAD-BA/IB-LON-PTY-CM/IB-SJO
36. AMS-MAD-BA/IB-LON-SJO
.
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Old Jul 19, 2017, 9:08 am
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Originally Posted by gnomeza
Is that INN4SO?
Sorry not sure where I'm able to see the fare, but here's what I've built:
https://www.google.co.uk/flights/?so...sc=b;px=2;eo=e

Always keen to get some sun over that period of the year.
How's SJO for some days of winter sun? (Easy to get to the beaches? or better to explore/adventure?)
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Old Jul 19, 2017, 9:34 am
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About three hours from the nearest beaches by car. Alternatively you could fly by small aircraft. Costa Rica is great for wildlife. The Nayara Springs Hotel near Arenal volcano is beautiful.

Last edited by heb999; Jul 19, 2017 at 9:35 am Reason: spelling
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Old Jul 19, 2017, 10:26 am
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Originally Posted by pebadian
Always keen to get some sun over that period of the year.
How's SJO for some days of winter sun? (Easy to get to the beaches? or better to explore/adventure?)
Originally Posted by heb999
About three hours from the nearest beaches by car. Alternatively you could fly by small aircraft. Costa Rica is great for wildlife. The Nayara Springs Hotel near Arenal volcano is beautiful.
If I may pimp my relevant reports... my gf and I went to Costa Rica for the first time in Feb and had an amazing time, including the internal flights. "Small aircraft" is right! I wrote up my experiences in the Trip Reports and Central America forums:

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Old Jul 19, 2017, 10:31 am
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Originally Posted by dsf
If I may pimp my relevant reports... my gf and I went to Costa Rica for the first time in Feb and had an amazing time, including the internal flights. "Small aircraft" is right! I wrote up my experiences in the Trip Reports and Central America forums:
Thanks a lot dsf and heb Sounds amazing!
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Old Jul 22, 2017, 8:09 am
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I have just found a quite good fare to Panama exLHR:

£1,389 in J from LHR to PTY via MIA in November:

https://www.google.ch/flights/#searc...LHR0BA206;sc=b
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Old Jul 22, 2017, 8:48 am
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Originally Posted by florens
I have just found a quite good fare to Panama exLHR:

£1,389 in J from LHR to PTY via MIA in November:

https://www.google.ch/flights/#searc...LHR0BA206;sc=b
I think this was reported already? Has to be BA (or maybe IB?) on the TATL unfortunately.
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Old Jul 22, 2017, 8:57 am
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Originally Posted by rossmacd
I think this was reported already? Has to be BA (or maybe IB?) on the TATL unfortunately.
Possibly, I wasn't sure and posted it nonetheless.

Yep, BA and IB only as far as I can see.
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Old Jul 22, 2017, 10:00 am
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Has anyone ever came to renewing Gold card (1500 tier points earned) in one ticket flying in F class or J class with one or multi OW carriers?
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Old Jul 22, 2017, 10:19 am
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Originally Posted by NA-Flyer
Has anyone ever came to renewing Gold card (1500 tier points earned) in one ticket flying in F class or J class with one or multi OW carriers?
You used to be able to do it on an exEU to Hawaii when the babybus was 210 TP and AA domestic first earned 210/60.

DUB-HEL-LHR/LCY-JFK-PHX-HNL-PHX-JFK-LCY/LHR-HEL-DUB would have earned 40+80+210+210+210+210+210+210+80+40=1500 in one trip.
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Old Jul 22, 2017, 10:45 am
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Originally Posted by NA-Flyer
Has anyone ever came to renewing Gold card (1500 tier points earned) in one ticket flying in F class or J class with one or multi OW carriers?
A carefully crafted Rount-The-World trip in business would earn you 1500+ tier points, albeit at a cost.
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Old Jul 22, 2017, 11:29 am
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Originally Posted by NA-Flyer
Has anyone ever came to renewing Gold card (1500 tier points earned) in one ticket flying in F class or J class with one or multi OW carriers?
Pretty sure someone did it a couple of years ago, and BA actually met the passenger in one of the Lounges to present him with his Gold card.

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Old Jul 22, 2017, 11:57 am
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Originally Posted by msm2000uk
Pretty sure someone did it a couple of years ago, and BA actually met the passenger in one of the Lounges to present him with his Gold card.

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Yes. He was the subject of a thread on here at the time. BA met him in the GF.
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