Dec 13, 2016, 11:12 pm
Last edit by: NWIFlyer
Routes to/from LGW*/LCY/STN are NOT affected. Only flights to/from LHR* are potentially affected. If you think you may be affected, post 2714 (click here) may be helpful.
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
Ballot results for industrial action:
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
- None
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
- 25th December 2016 from 00:01 for 48 hours. (Strike action was suspended following ACAS discussions and revised offer.)
- 10th & 11th January 2017
- 19th January 2017 for 72 hours until 21st January
- 5th-7th & 9th-11th February 2017
- 17th-20th February 2017
- 22nd-25th February 2017
- 3rd-9th March 2017
- 16th-19th June 2017 (suspended pending further ACAS talks)
- 1st-16th July 2017
- 19th July-1st August 2017
- 2nd-15th August 2017
- 16th-30th August 2017
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
- Latest negotiated position (@ 23rd Oct 2017) between BA & Unite to be balloted. Rumoured that the union is recommending acceptance.
Ballot results for industrial action:
- First ballot, November 2016: Yes 79.5%, No 20.5%
- Second ballot, December 2016: Yes 70%, No 30%
- Third ballot, March 2017: Yes 56%, No 44%, turnout 72%
BA 'Mixed Fleet' cabin crew dispute [agreement reached]
Dec 12, 2016, 8:10 am
#421
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Mine's a simple SJC return so tonnes of nearby alternatives
Dec 12, 2016, 8:11 am
#422
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Dec 12, 2016, 8:13 am
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That's one of the reasons why I believe an early strike date is unlikely - it would make it comparatively easy for BA to simply re-route a lot of people onto to JV partners, particularly going west, and not taking any revenue pain as a result. The later in January they can push it, the harder it will be for BA.
Dec 12, 2016, 8:31 am
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But surely in this case the majority of your travel would be on AA, and therefore totally unaffected by any action from MF? Your issue is merely (and I use that as a relative term) getting to and from your transit point in the US, although your TP total might be hit to make the timings work. That should give you plenty of alternative routing options, given you are still in a fairly light travel period.
Dec 12, 2016, 8:32 am
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I am not planning, I am just saying I am personally not convinced. Strike should not exempt any company from keeping their side of deal or pay for consequences.
Fire and hire would work in a lot of industries, though probably not for pilots and crew...
Fire and hire would work in a lot of industries, though probably not for pilots and crew...
Dec 12, 2016, 8:45 am
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.I still think, if circumstances conspire against you, BA will probably be understanding and will find you an alternative routing that works (plus I gues you could get AA to take over the ticket at a given point when it comes under airport control, and they are definitely very pro-active). The alternative is to give you a refund, and I'm not sure BA will be so keen to do that on what is presumably not a particularly small sum of money ...
Dec 12, 2016, 9:55 am
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Dec 12, 2016, 10:10 am
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EU law is very clear when it comes to strikes, save for care and assistance and rerouting you get nowt as far as EC261
Dec 13, 2016, 1:25 am
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Oh gosh. I hadn't seen this thread til now and I have a lot of BA travel over the next 30 days. Please don't strike!!! Be thankful you have a job!!
Dec 13, 2016, 1:52 am
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Jeez, what a selfish response. I'm generally no fan of industrial action but MF are seemingly treated appallingly by BA and I'm 100% behind them on this (and yes, I have flights booked over the period too)
Dec 13, 2016, 2:04 am
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Maybe I care about myself, sure. But they are fools if they can't see which way the winds are blowing. I repeat, be happy you have a job. Time waits for no man and air crews cannot go back to the "good old days". There are millions of people out of work around the world who would be happy to take their jobs.
Dec 13, 2016, 2:20 am
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Maybe I care about myself, sure. But they are fools if they can't see which way the winds are blowing. I repeat, be happy you have a job. Time waits for no man and air crews cannot go back to the "good old days". There are millions of people out of work around the world who would be happy to take their jobs.
Dec 13, 2016, 2:27 am
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With the exception of those who transferred from other fleets, MF crew never experienced the "good old days". They feel BA has not delivered the income levels that they were led to believe would be the case when they were employed, and that what they earn is not sustainable.
Dec 13, 2016, 2:28 am
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+1 ^ I have several flights booked as well... not a usual supporter of unions (think RMT and ASLEF holding Southern travelers hostage), but RMT paygrades are a bit different from MF... They have my full support, even if I quietly hope that it won't affect my flights :-)