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This thread examines BA's use of Amadeus' Theoretical Seating module. This kicks in at T-72 hours before departure, so this thread is primarily of interest to those travelling within the next few days.
FAQ : 'Theoretical Seating' : Blocked seats and status
#166
Join Date: Jul 2016
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Call me baffled. 'A' seat is now blocked to all, even me. I'm in F with nobody in the surrounding area, but everything around me is available on ExpertFlyer. Oh well, at least I won't have crushed knees.
#168
Join Date: Sep 2004
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I understand that at T-72 BA system may assign high tiered members with better seats - like an empty seat next to members. I have this happened twice in the last 12 months.
I have a slightly different question but hope someone will be able to clarify. I have booked flights last week to the US for travelling in 6 weeks time. As a gold I tried to select seats and the majority of windows seats (lower and upper deck) were not available to select. Does this mean there will be no chance that these seats may become available from T-72?
PS - With Qantas, on domestic flights they block row 4 right behind J class. However, at T-80 all seats (not selected) would be made available to all. Is this the same with BA?
I have a slightly different question but hope someone will be able to clarify. I have booked flights last week to the US for travelling in 6 weeks time. As a gold I tried to select seats and the majority of windows seats (lower and upper deck) were not available to select. Does this mean there will be no chance that these seats may become available from T-72?
PS - With Qantas, on domestic flights they block row 4 right behind J class. However, at T-80 all seats (not selected) would be made available to all. Is this the same with BA?
#169
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Interesting one this I think:
Departing LIS on 23/09/16 for LHR, Flying BA flight 499 in Economy. GGL status.
On my ba.com seat plan I see that rows 5 & 6 are (as usual) 'unavailable'. I'm currently in row 7.
However on expert flyer the curtain is in the same place, the occupied/vacant seats are identical to the seat plan on ba.com EXCEPT 6C and 6D show occuplied (the remainder of row 5 and 6 is blocked).
Has anyone seen this before?
Departing LIS on 23/09/16 for LHR, Flying BA flight 499 in Economy. GGL status.
On my ba.com seat plan I see that rows 5 & 6 are (as usual) 'unavailable'. I'm currently in row 7.
However on expert flyer the curtain is in the same place, the occupied/vacant seats are identical to the seat plan on ba.com EXCEPT 6C and 6D show occuplied (the remainder of row 5 and 6 is blocked).
Has anyone seen this before?
Now it's just 6D that shows occuplied on expertflyer. The erst of 5&6 show blocked on Expert Flyer.
I'm not sure if I was clear before but the entirety of rows 5&6 show unavailable on ba.com. So this is a mismatch in data between EF & BA....or at least a mismatch in how status is displayed (i.e. does one show "unavailable" or "occupied" for a seat that is occupied but would in any case be blocked/unavailable to the viewer?
#171
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 2,676
Update. Due to Travel Agent Incompetence flights were eventually booked rather than reserved.
Now it's just 6D that shows occuplied on expertflyer. The erst of 5&6 show blocked on Expert Flyer.
I'm not sure if I was clear before but the entirety of rows 5&6 show unavailable on ba.com. So this is a mismatch in data between EF & BA....or at least a mismatch in how status is displayed (i.e. does one show "unavailable" or "occupied" for a seat that is occupied but would in any case be blocked/unavailable to the viewer?
Now it's just 6D that shows occuplied on expertflyer. The erst of 5&6 show blocked on Expert Flyer.
I'm not sure if I was clear before but the entirety of rows 5&6 show unavailable on ba.com. So this is a mismatch in data between EF & BA....or at least a mismatch in how status is displayed (i.e. does one show "unavailable" or "occupied" for a seat that is occupied but would in any case be blocked/unavailable to the viewer?
What you are seeing is the standard curtain block.
I've had a look at the seat map myself and it looks to me like the entirety of rows 5 and 6 are unoccupied.
Even IF someone was in one of those seats - you'd only ever see 'unavailable' on BA's site - it doesn't distinguish between blocked and occupied.
It used to be that the 'curtain block' would occupy around 4 rows at the front of the economy cabin behind the current predicted position of the curtain. A few months back - BA adjusted the calculation to only be 2 rows - hence rows 5 and 6 here.
#172
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: DWC
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Can i tap into the collective knowledge of the board here?
I have a Y Avios redemption to OSL. I had pre-selected 6A (front row) after booking.
There's about 12-14 seats reserved in total.
At T-72 I had a look and rows 4&5 opened up so I snapped up 4A. About 8 hours later I looked at the seat map again and Y starts with row 6 again. My reserved seat is still 4A, albeit the app suggests it's a middle seat.
Have I shot mysef in the foot here and shall I expect to be thrown farther back?
What would be the best course of action?
I have a Y Avios redemption to OSL. I had pre-selected 6A (front row) after booking.
There's about 12-14 seats reserved in total.
At T-72 I had a look and rows 4&5 opened up so I snapped up 4A. About 8 hours later I looked at the seat map again and Y starts with row 6 again. My reserved seat is still 4A, albeit the app suggests it's a middle seat.
Have I shot mysef in the foot here and shall I expect to be thrown farther back?
What would be the best course of action?
#173
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I have a slightly different question but hope someone will be able to clarify. I have booked flights last week to the US for travelling in 6 weeks time. As a gold I tried to select seats and the majority of windows seats (lower and upper deck) were not available to select. Does this mean there will be no chance that these seats may become available from T-72?
PS - With Qantas, on domestic flights they block row 4 right behind J class. However, at T-80 all seats (not selected) would be made available to all. Is this the same with BA?
PS - With Qantas, on domestic flights they block row 4 right behind J class. However, at T-80 all seats (not selected) would be made available to all. Is this the same with BA?
#174
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If it is longhaul seating, and you have a fare bucket higher than N, then you best ring up and try to UuA into Club "Europe". Or POUG if offered.
#175
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Yesterday, my flight in ET about 90% full.
I had selected the exit row, all four of them had the middle seat free - check
One guy moved from his seat, settled between my aisle neighbour (whom I did not know) and myself extending "his" territory to about half of each of our seats and typed furiously throughout the flight elbowing every fourth second - uncheck
I had selected the exit row, all four of them had the middle seat free - check
One guy moved from his seat, settled between my aisle neighbour (whom I did not know) and myself extending "his" territory to about half of each of our seats and typed furiously throughout the flight elbowing every fourth second - uncheck
#176
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Yesterday ET, about 80% full, A319.
We had 10AB and C was blocked. Another pax asked the FA if he could move into C and she gave the okay. Wasn't the greatest experience, but I wasn't so fussed about it. Still, I didn't feel guilty at all when I woke him up to head to the WC. On the other segment we had 10AB and C seem to have been blocked as well.
We had 10AB and C was blocked. Another pax asked the FA if he could move into C and she gave the okay. Wasn't the greatest experience, but I wasn't so fussed about it. Still, I didn't feel guilty at all when I woke him up to head to the WC. On the other segment we had 10AB and C seem to have been blocked as well.
#177
Join Date: Feb 2006
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A quick request on behalf of a friend who has hopefully just taken off on the delayed BA 3277 from LCY to DUS. He's a silver with BA but had paid £11 to choose a seat with extra legroom (I assume that's the exit row). However, he's not in his seat as requested. Upon asking a crew member, he was told this was due to 'weight and balance of the aircraft'. As the flight is full, he's understandably annoyed. The CC member said there was nothing they could do so he should contact BA to reclaim his £11. Apparently the flight is operated by Eastern Airways - so is this simply due to a change of aircraft and to be expected from BA?
#178
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It sounds more like an aircraft change and/or your friend didn't spot the configuration after the change. It doesn't happen often, but with an Eastern aircraft it was going to be more likely. He will get a refund, he just needs to complete the form via the seating page on BA.com
#179
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It sounds more like an aircraft change and/or your friend didn't spot the configuration after the change. It doesn't happen often, but with an Eastern aircraft it was going to be more likely. He will get a refund, he just needs to complete the form via the seating page on BA.com
#180
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What is the easiest way, at the airport or when checking in to know if the seat next to you is blocked or taken.
In the app, they just looked greyed out, and at least in the CCR when the lady brought up the seat map it looked full and she said all seats were taken. Then onboard I had the whole row (#6) to myself.
KF
In the app, they just looked greyed out, and at least in the CCR when the lady brought up the seat map it looked full and she said all seats were taken. Then onboard I had the whole row (#6) to myself.
KF