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This thread examines BA's use of Amadeus' Theoretical Seating module. This kicks in at T-72 hours before departure, so this thread is primarily of interest to those travelling within the next few days.
FAQ : 'Theoretical Seating' : Blocked seats and status
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I would guess either the aircraft is not well loaded, or you are more than 72 hours from departure?
I have to say that when I was working with BLHD with the various screenshots it looked like we were dealing with 2 completely different aircraft. In fact BLHD initially suggested we try another service since he thought it was too full to give useful pointers!
I have to say that when I was working with BLHD with the various screenshots it looked like we were dealing with 2 completely different aircraft. In fact BLHD initially suggested we try another service since he thought it was too full to give useful pointers!
Interestingly it's now only offering 17E.
I've actually found this a very useful exercise, as it's more or less now confirmed my suspicions that the new seating algorithm would give a significant risk of ending up in a crap seat unless booking a long way out and paying the extra to reserve at the time of booking.
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Any idea what happens if the plane is completely full? Filling the front with Golds and the back with Blues with Bronze and Silver in between?
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This is what I was leaning toward in my previous post.
It's likely that when there's no more seats available in a tier block you're entitled to, it will open up the next available block in some order of preference.
My thinking is that "at the moment" the exit seats are opened before the OWS/Silver block are. Hence the weird situation where Bronze can select an exit row, when a Silver cannot.
It's likely that when there's no more seats available in a tier block you're entitled to, it will open up the next available block in some order of preference.
My thinking is that "at the moment" the exit seats are opened before the OWS/Silver block are. Hence the weird situation where Bronze can select an exit row, when a Silver cannot.
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From what I can make out, this BA1321 will go out fairly full, there won't be many empty seats, and they will be in the front by the looks of it. But in broad terms your filling logic seems about right.
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Nope, in fact you won't be allowed to disturb the serenity of many Silvers either. So if you don't pay in advance, you're heading to the row 25 "rendition" seating.
Mind you, here's your excuse for a splendid trip to Hawai'i. I will start a thread in your honour when you do.
Mind you, here's your excuse for a splendid trip to Hawai'i. I will start a thread in your honour when you do.
Must admit the whole thing leaves me befuddled. However as I don't care where I sit on a short flight it doesn't concern me.
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I've recently been looking at Expertflyer for my twice weekly LHR-GLA-LHR slogs just out of curiosity. About 80% of the time I have a free seat next to me in Row 1 (middle shown blocked), and a lot of the time if I'm in 1D, for example, then 1E and 1F will be blocked and empty once boarding is complete - then a couple will always make an excuse to move into them, and the CC duly oblige!
I do, however, have a query regarding a HAM return I have in ET in a fortnight. The whole cabin is completely open on MMB and on EF (except from the front 2 rows of ET, understandably). I have exit seats on both legs and there are very few seats assigned, but there are no blocked seats next to anybody. Do you think they can essentially switch off theoretical seating for particular flights?
I do, however, have a query regarding a HAM return I have in ET in a fortnight. The whole cabin is completely open on MMB and on EF (except from the front 2 rows of ET, understandably). I have exit seats on both legs and there are very few seats assigned, but there are no blocked seats next to anybody. Do you think they can essentially switch off theoretical seating for particular flights?
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What seems to be happening there is that Golds in HBO are being allocated into the front sections, but it is only visible at T-24 (sometimes the App gives an advanced hint). So Gold passengers with HBO are now more likely to be (a) near the front and (b) have an empty seat next to them. Silver seems not to have this benefit.
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Theoretical seating applies in the final 72 hours, see post 1, so you're jumping the gun there! But though there is no blocked seating, effectively only Silver and Golds can go to the front of ET at this stage. Later on you may be able to move to a better seat, but frankly you are best staying in the final exit row.
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Yes, 1B is an option. It was always the risk that front row middle seats were taken, you can see the dialogue: "Sorry, there's no window or aisle seats left, but we can get you row 1 for the legroom and you'll be off quick". But subjectively it's now much less common for 1B/1E to be used in Domestics and the front of ET, since only Golds now get that conversation, whereas before anyone with a tight connection would be angling for it. Before Theoretical Seating it was sometimes the case that the ONLY middle seats taken, apart from couples travelling, would be 1B and 1E, to the annoyance of their gilt-ridden neighbours.
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Yes, and that's always been the case, particularly when it became the best for kneeroom (but not necessarily legroom). On this particular flight I would suspect row 5 will be the last to lose the middle seats, but it would be very unusual to have more than 3 or 4 new Gold bookings, probably less, so my guess is that only 3A won't get an empty seat, and that's due to presumably a couple in 3B and C.