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This thread examines BA's use of Amadeus' Theoretical Seating module. This kicks in at T-72 hours before departure, so this thread is primarily of interest to those travelling within the next few days.
FAQ : 'Theoretical Seating' : Blocked seats and status
#766
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WTP window seat on a 789 next to me two nights away is showing as free (I am Gold) whilst it had been showing as blocked. Cabin not remotely full and other seats and cabins showing the usual X. Wondered why this had happened? Route is 22:30 IAD - LHR
#767
Join Date: Jan 2016
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Just checked in my mom for an ATH-LHR (she has no status) and noticed that seating was wide open from row 18 to row 28 to choose whatever she wanted.
Default setting was 18E, nice try BA for those that don't bother checking in online!
A big difference since the last time I used TS for Y about a year ago when I could only choose one row without status! Is this due to the load factor or simply a case of different algorithms?
Default setting was 18E, nice try BA for those that don't bother checking in online!
A big difference since the last time I used TS for Y about a year ago when I could only choose one row without status! Is this due to the load factor or simply a case of different algorithms?
#768
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Just checked in my mom for an ATH-LHR (she has no status) and noticed that seating was wide open from row 18 to row 28 to choose whatever she wanted.
Default setting was 18E, nice try BA for those that don't bother checking in!
A big difference since the last time I used TS for Y about a year ago when I could only choose one row without status! Is this due to the load factor or simply a case of different algorithms?
Default setting was 18E, nice try BA for those that don't bother checking in!
A big difference since the last time I used TS for Y about a year ago when I could only choose one row without status! Is this due to the load factor or simply a case of different algorithms?
#769
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Just a quick refresher as I haven't done this in a while. I am flying club this week ATH-LHR, since I am a lowly blue I am sure they are going to give me the option to sit in the very back, like row 7 or 8 as its 8 row business class from what it seems. Last time I printed the boarding pass and issued it and just asked at the airport if any seats were free and managed to secure 1A. Should I just do that?
Or play the roulette and choose my seat but not print my boarding pass and keep on checking later.
If I print out the boarding pass, I assume I can only change the seat at the airport check in desk correct?
Or play the roulette and choose my seat but not print my boarding pass and keep on checking later.
If I print out the boarding pass, I assume I can only change the seat at the airport check in desk correct?
#770
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I thought that the the idea of this was to give status pax a better shot at good seats. However, I and Mrs FF99 are both Gold and in ET have the window and aisle of an exit row with an empty seat between us. Miss FF99 has no status and is on a separate (Avios) ticket. She can - for a price - pre-select any free seat on the plane, including the empty seat between us. Is that how it is meant to work ??
If I do not call up to TCP, will Miss FF99 just be stuck with any old seat the system throws at her, and unable to change at OLCI ?
As an aside and OT to this thread, will there be any problem with Miss FF99 going through the BP scanner in the T5 F check-in area when she checks in with us, or is the scannner going to reject her as she does not have status ?
If I do not call up to TCP, will Miss FF99 just be stuck with any old seat the system throws at her, and unable to change at OLCI ?
As an aside and OT to this thread, will there be any problem with Miss FF99 going through the BP scanner in the T5 F check-in area when she checks in with us, or is the scannner going to reject her as she does not have status ?
#771
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There isn't too much roulette on CE, unless of course the CE cabin gets pushed back to the exit row, which has been known on that route. That would then give you several target areas. You're right that if you print the boarding pass only the airport check in desks can change seats (in practical terms) so I would check in at the first moment, but print / App your boarding pass perhaps 2 hours before departure, nabbing the best seat as and when they show. It sounds a bit tedious doing this repeatedly, it's not something I want to do, but usually about a third of passengers (very round numbers) check in in the first 2 hours; another third overnight, and a third or less at the airport. So there can be rapid changes in the first few hours, and then the rate of change typically slows down somewhat.
#772
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There isn't too much roulette on CE, unless of course the CE cabin gets pushed back to the exit row, which has been known on that route. That would then give you several target areas. You're right that if you print the boarding pass only the airport check in desks can change seats (in practical terms) so I would check in at the first moment, but print / App your boarding pass perhaps 2 hours before departure, nabbing the best seat as and when they show. It sounds a bit tedious doing this repeatedly, it's not something I want to do, but usually about a third of passengers (very round numbers) check in in the first 2 hours; another third overnight, and a third or less at the airport. So there can be rapid changes in the first few hours, and then the rate of change typically slows down somewhat.
#773
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Just a quick refresher as I haven't done this in a while. I am flying club this week ATH-LHR, since I am a lowly blue I am sure they are going to give me the option to sit in the very back, like row 7 or 8 as its 8 row business class from what it seems. Last time I printed the boarding pass and issued it and just asked at the airport if any seats were free and managed to secure 1A. Should I just do that?
#774
Join Date: Jan 2012
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I’m a Gold now and have seats reserved in the front row of CE on several flights.
Next month I’ll be downgraded to silver.
Does anybody know whether we’re likely to get bumped out of those seats when the downgrade happens?
Hopefully as long as we never touch anything until check in we should be ok?
Next month I’ll be downgraded to silver.
Does anybody know whether we’re likely to get bumped out of those seats when the downgrade happens?
Hopefully as long as we never touch anything until check in we should be ok?
#775
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#776
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I thought that the the idea of this was to give status pax a better shot at good seats. However, I and Mrs FF99 are both Gold and in ET have the window and aisle of an exit row with an empty seat between us. Miss FF99 has no status and is on a separate (Avios) ticket. She can - for a price - pre-select any free seat on the plane, including the empty seat between us. Is that how it is meant to work ??
If I do not call up to TCP, will Miss FF99 just be stuck with any old seat the system throws at her, and unable to change at OLCI ?
As an aside and OT to this thread, will there be any problem with Miss FF99 going through the BP scanner in the T5 F check-in area when she checks in with us, or is the scannner going to reject her as she does not have status ?
If I do not call up to TCP, will Miss FF99 just be stuck with any old seat the system throws at her, and unable to change at OLCI ?
As an aside and OT to this thread, will there be any problem with Miss FF99 going through the BP scanner in the T5 F check-in area when she checks in with us, or is the scannner going to reject her as she does not have status ?
BA, probably correctly, believes that prior to t-72, anyone who wants to buy a seat is unlikely to pick a middle seat between 2 occupied seats.
if you do not TCP then Miss FF99 would probably get a limited set of seats to choose from at OLCI but she should get some choice.
#777
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That's what I did and I got it last time when I asked the agent he gave me 1A! Hope I can manage it again this time.
#778
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Just wanted to add something I found out first hand last week. I booked 2 economy flights and most of the seats were unavailable when reserving seats. When I got on the plane I could see that the plane (767) was, at most, only 25% full which puzzled me. Anyhow, the pilot announced that even though the plane was extremely lightly loaded we should stay on our designated seats until after takeoff and before landing due to weight distribution considerations. In between, however, he announced that we were free to move to any available seat. So, it looks like seats are also sometimes blocked based on load and weight distribution regardless of status.
#779
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Just wanted to add something I found out first hand last week. I booked 2 economy flights and most of the seats were unavailable when reserving seats. When I got on the plane I could see that the plane (767) was, at most, only 25% full which puzzled me. Anyhow, the pilot announced that even though the plane was extremely lightly loaded we should stay on our designated seats until after takeoff and before landing due to weight distribution considerations. In between, however, he announced that we were free to move to any available seat. So, it looks like seats are also sometimes blocked based on load and weight distribution regardless of status.
#780
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