Jul 8, 2016, 2:22 pm
Last edit by: Prospero
UPDATED FOR 15 NOVEMBER 2016: BA will no longer accept interlining on BA-BA separate tickets / PNRs.
From 1 June 2016, the oneworld policy on accepting customers travelling on separate tickets was changed. BA, along with some other oneworld partners, has implemented this change in policy which is as follows:
Only those customers that have separate tickets issued in the same PNR/booking will be accepted for through check-in. Furthermore all sectors must be BA / oneworld / other carrier, but BA to/fron Vueling is specifically NOT allowed even on the same ticket. Aer Lingus is not specified but some be covered by "other carrier".
A PNR is a wrapper, and it can have several tickets, and other items such as hotels, in one PNR, so long as it was built that way at the time of purchase. Another (new) ticket can be inserted into an existing PNR after purchase, it is easiest to do this at a BA airport, and there is a small fee for doing this (£15 in the UK). However you cannot merge 2 existing PNRs into one PNR - once a reservation has reached ticketed status it can't be moved. If you have 2 PNRs you need to allow time to collect and re-check any bags at the transfer airport.
There is one exception: BA to BA transfers, on 2 PNRs, are allowed. See post 643 for details.
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From post 947. Select "do not have IATA number"
http://www.speedbirdclub.com/ch/reservations-ticketing/rulesregulations/separatetickets/
From 1 June 2016, the oneworld policy on accepting customers travelling on separate tickets was changed. BA, along with some other oneworld partners, has implemented this change in policy which is as follows:
Only those customers that have separate tickets issued in the same PNR/booking will be accepted for through check-in. Furthermore all sectors must be BA / oneworld / other carrier, but BA to/fron Vueling is specifically NOT allowed even on the same ticket. Aer Lingus is not specified but some be covered by "other carrier".
A PNR is a wrapper, and it can have several tickets, and other items such as hotels, in one PNR, so long as it was built that way at the time of purchase. Another (new) ticket can be inserted into an existing PNR after purchase, it is easiest to do this at a BA airport, and there is a small fee for doing this (£15 in the UK). However you cannot merge 2 existing PNRs into one PNR - once a reservation has reached ticketed status it can't be moved. If you have 2 PNRs you need to allow time to collect and re-check any bags at the transfer airport.
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From post 947. Select "do not have IATA number"
http://www.speedbirdclub.com/ch/reservations-ticketing/rulesregulations/separatetickets/
BA no longer through checking baggage with separate tickets
Jul 8, 2022, 11:11 am
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Feb 28, 2023, 12:07 pm
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Any recent experiences or updates on this?
I'm flying DEL-LHR on BA with a BA ticket number and BA PNR. Then connecting to LHR-PHL on AA with an AA ticket number and AA PNR. Everything was booked together by my TA under a single PNR of their own, but I don't think that matters in this case. I'm a US citizen traveling on a US passport.
The connection time is scheduled at 2 hours 10 minutes. If BA's policy of not through checking bags on separate tickets is still in effect, and if I'm remembering the process correctly it would look something like:
Am I missing anything?
Is 2:10 doable assuming DEL-LHR is on time?
Is HEX/tube T5 to T3 still free with contactless CC?
Is check in at T3 for the AA flight the 35 minute Conformance cutoff event? Does that applt to AA flights out of T3?
TIA
I'm flying DEL-LHR on BA with a BA ticket number and BA PNR. Then connecting to LHR-PHL on AA with an AA ticket number and AA PNR. Everything was booked together by my TA under a single PNR of their own, but I don't think that matters in this case. I'm a US citizen traveling on a US passport.
The connection time is scheduled at 2 hours 10 minutes. If BA's policy of not through checking bags on separate tickets is still in effect, and if I'm remembering the process correctly it would look something like:
- Arrive T5 on BA
- Proceed to T5A Customs and Immigration
- Cross UK border at immigration
- Collect the checked bag
- Head to the tube/HEX station and transit to T3
- Check in and check bag at AA counter in T3
- Clear security and passport check
- Head to gate
Am I missing anything?
Is 2:10 doable assuming DEL-LHR is on time?
Is HEX/tube T5 to T3 still free with contactless CC?
Is check in at T3 for the AA flight the 35 minute Conformance cutoff event? Does that applt to AA flights out of T3?
TIA
Last edited by PHLGovFlyer; Feb 28, 2023 at 12:15 pm
Feb 28, 2023, 12:14 pm
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Yes the policy is very much still current.
you seem to have it outlined correctly, although I would also ask when does aa bag drop close as that’s your deadline. Does it say in your booking? I think it may be 60 minutes. T3 doesn’t have conformance as such.
you can use HEX or crossrail. Either tap in and out using a contactless card or get a free blue transfer ticket from the self service machines.
and finally this will be ok if everything goes well, but there is little wiggle room. What happens if you are 20 minutes late and it takes another 40 minutes for your bags to appear?
you seem to have it outlined correctly, although I would also ask when does aa bag drop close as that’s your deadline. Does it say in your booking? I think it may be 60 minutes. T3 doesn’t have conformance as such.
you can use HEX or crossrail. Either tap in and out using a contactless card or get a free blue transfer ticket from the self service machines.
and finally this will be ok if everything goes well, but there is little wiggle room. What happens if you are 20 minutes late and it takes another 40 minutes for your bags to appear?
Feb 28, 2023, 12:31 pm
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Yes the policy is very much still current.
you seem to have it outlined correctly, although I would also ask when does aa bag drop close as that’s your deadline. Does it say in your booking? I think it may be 60 minutes. T3 doesn’t have conformance as such.
you can use HEX or crossrail. Either tap in and out using a contactless card or get a free blue transfer ticket from the self service machines.
and finally this will be ok if everything goes well, but there is little wiggle room. What happens if you are 20 minutes late and it takes another 40 minutes for your bags to appear?
you seem to have it outlined correctly, although I would also ask when does aa bag drop close as that’s your deadline. Does it say in your booking? I think it may be 60 minutes. T3 doesn’t have conformance as such.
you can use HEX or crossrail. Either tap in and out using a contactless card or get a free blue transfer ticket from the self service machines.
and finally this will be ok if everything goes well, but there is little wiggle room. What happens if you are 20 minutes late and it takes another 40 minutes for your bags to appear?
I will try to plead my case for a through check at DEL, but I'm doubtful that will change their minds.
Feb 28, 2023, 1:27 pm
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That would certainly be true if AA were the first carrier; not sure if it matters when BA is the first carrier. I'll defer on that question to the experts in this thread.
Feb 28, 2023, 1:43 pm
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I had a recent 'single TA' PNR that contained BA onto ET and ET to BA on the return. Each carrier accessed the booking using their own PNR. No issues doing through check-in both directions. Maybe a useful data point.
Feb 28, 2023, 1:58 pm
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Even when you do a booking on the BA website that has BA flights and AA flights in it, there is a separate PNR for each.
I think you'll be fine here and will be able to through check the bags without any issues whatsoever.
Mar 1, 2023, 9:07 am
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I think if a Travel Agent books it and it's all in one PNR that it's completely fine.
Even when you do a booking on the BA website that has BA flights and AA flights in it, there is a separate PNR for each.
I think you'll be fine here and will be able to through check the bags without any issues whatsoever.
Even when you do a booking on the BA website that has BA flights and AA flights in it, there is a separate PNR for each.
I think you'll be fine here and will be able to through check the bags without any issues whatsoever.
Mar 1, 2023, 10:23 am
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Interesting. I just tried inputting the TA PNR on AA's site and it gave me an error message (my AA PNR works fine BTW). Then I tried entering the TA PNR under MMB on the BA site and it pulled up the entire reservation, including both the DEL-LHR leg on BA and the LHR-PHL leg on AA. Then I tried the BA PNR under MMB and it also pulled up both legs. So it appears that BA's systems view the trip as being all under a single PNR, even if the two legs have different ticket numbers. Whether that will help or not is the big question.
Are both ticket numbers sequential? If you have multiple segments (including open jaws), it's normal to have multiple ticket numbers issued in conjunction.
Mar 1, 2023, 1:46 pm
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Interesting. I just tried inputting the TA PNR on AA's site and it gave me an error message (my AA PNR works fine BTW). Then I tried entering the TA PNR under MMB on the BA site and it pulled up the entire reservation, including both the DEL-LHR leg on BA and the LHR-PHL leg on AA. Then I tried the BA PNR under MMB and it also pulled up both legs. So it appears that BA's systems view the trip as being all under a single PNR, even if the two legs have different ticket numbers. Whether that will help or not is the big question.
You've nothing to worry about here.
Mar 1, 2023, 4:48 pm
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Good to hear. I'll report back after the trip.
Mar 3, 2023, 8:20 pm
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A few new twists in the tale
I think if a Travel Agent books it and it's all in one PNR that it's completely fine.
Even when you do a booking on the BA website that has BA flights and AA flights in it, there is a separate PNR for each.
I think you'll be fine here and will be able to through check the bags without any issues whatsoever.
Even when you do a booking on the BA website that has BA flights and AA flights in it, there is a separate PNR for each.
I think you'll be fine here and will be able to through check the bags without any issues whatsoever.
Sometime within the last 6 hours I cleared a mileage upgrade to Biz on the AA flight. I don't know if this has anything to do with the disappearance of the AA flight from the MMB listing.
It also appears that there will be an aircraft change on DEL-LHR from a 787-8 to a 787-9. My bulkhead aisle seat assignment no longer appears in MMB, and it won't let me check in for the flight. Here's to hoping that I get op-upped.
Given that the BA PNR now only shows the DEL-LHR leg will I lose the ability to through check my bag to the AA flight?