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Old Jan 1, 2014, 6:10 am
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If you wish to request availability for a specific flight, please state the date and origin/departure airport codes, not just the flight number.

Please also restrict requests to BA/oneworld flights - flights for other airlines may be removed to avoid cluttering the thread and taking it away from BAEC.


As of 15 Oct 2014 flightstats.com no longer displays flight availability.

Fare class availability can be queried in various ways*:

        * Please update wiki if you know of any others.
        ** Origin of data concealed


        What do the codes mean?
        Suppose we have a result as F1 A0 J9 C7 D0 RC IC W9 E9 T4 Y9 BC HC ...

        This means:
        There is 1 seat in the F bucket for sale
        There are 0 seats in the A and D bucket for sale, but you can join the waitlist in case seats get released later.
        There are at least 9 seats in the J, W, E and Y buckets.
        The R, I, B and H buckets are closed to waitlisting.

        There are two important things to note about how to interpret these numbers that many people don't understand as it is very counter intuitive:
        1) There is NO direct relation to the actual number of seats available on the specific flight. They only mean that the airline is willing to sell this many seats on that specific flight. The airline may intend to oversell seats or withhold seats from sale for many reasons.

        2) In the example above, the results show W9 E9 T4 (which are all WT+ buckets). This does not mean that there are 9+9+4=22 seats for sale. Interpret these numbers as "there are at least 9 seats for sale in WT+". There could really be anywhere between 9 and 22 seats for sale - we just can't tell from the numbers the system gives us. Therefore, the conservative approach of assuming that there are at least 9 seats for sale is usually the best one.

        What does the "C" mean?
        Closed to waitlisting.
        In the example above we have RC, IC, BC and HC. This is different to A0 and D0: The A and D buckets are "full" but you can apply to join their waitlists (if your fare permits waitlisting). With R, I, B and H you cannot even request a seat.

        The carrier will determine how to confirm your seat if it wishes. Sometimes this may happen immediately, other times only a few minutes before the flight's departure. The order of the waitlist is determined by the carrier privately, but your Executive Club status will push you towards the front of the queue. Many cheap fares do not allow waitlisting.

        Differences for non-BA airlines
        • Some carriers (those using Sabre such as AA) only show a maximum of 7 available seats (not 9). Others only show a maximum of 5.
        • Some carriers use "L" instead of "0" (e.g., CL DL YL) to indicate you may waitlist for the seat. This tends to happen when the entire flight is on a list basis.
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        Old Feb 16, 2016, 3:33 am
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        Originally Posted by aceman
        Need the loads please!

        LHR-CMB 26/2/16

        UL504
        UL 504 0 LHR
        26/02/16 20:40 CMB
        27/02/16 12:40 333
        Daily
        53% / 26m JC CC DC IC YA BA PA HA KA WA MA EA LA RA VA SA NA QC OC
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        Old Feb 16, 2016, 4:00 am
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        Originally Posted by nufnuf77
        UL 504 0 LHR
        26/02/16 20:40 CMB
        27/02/16 12:40 333
        Daily
        53% / 26m JC CC DC IC YA BA PA HA KA WA MA EA LA RA VA SA NA QC OC
        That looks...very full

        What does the A mean?
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        Old Feb 16, 2016, 5:19 am
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        Originally Posted by mattking2000
        That looks...very full

        What does the A mean?
        Means available! It's fairly wide open in Economy.

        LHR CMB 2040#1240
        UL 504 J4 C1 D1 IC Y7 B7 P7 H7 K7 W7 M7 E7 L7 R7 V7 S7 N7 Q5 O4
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        Old Feb 16, 2016, 5:27 am
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        Thanks all! -goes a little way to explaining the minimum bid of 520 for the business class upgrade on the auction!
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        Old Feb 16, 2016, 5:30 am
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        Originally Posted by Sam Bee
        Means available! It's fairly wide open in Economy.

        LHR CMB 2040#1240
        UL 504 J4 C1 D1 IC Y7 B7 P7 H7 K7 W7 M7 E7 L7 R7 V7 S7 N7 Q5 O4
        How did you get to actually get the numbers? Did you change POS?
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        Old Feb 16, 2016, 5:33 am
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        Originally Posted by aceman
        Thanks all! -goes a little way to explaining the minimum bid of 520 for the business class upgrade on the auction!
        Economy Class Bed for free?

        91 / 269 Economy Seats available for pre-booking on seat map - doesn't mean that's all that is left as UL Block a lot of seats.
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        Old Feb 16, 2016, 6:26 pm
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        Could someone please check AA135 (LHR-LAX) on May 14th for me? Thank you very much Looking to see if there's upgrade space available... I fear not but never know. (so... C?)
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        Old Feb 17, 2016, 12:23 am
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        Originally Posted by Smiley90
        Could someone please check AA135 (LHR-LAX) on May 14th for me? Thank you very much Looking to see if there's upgrade space available... I fear not but never know. (so... C?)
        AA 135 0 LHR
        14/05/16 2:00 PM LAX
        14/05/16 5:20 PM 77W
        Daily
        67% / 31m F7 A0 P6 J7 R7 D7 I0 Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7 L7 V7 G7 S7 N7 Q7 O0
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        Old Feb 17, 2016, 12:25 am
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        Originally Posted by chris1979
        AA 135 0 LHR
        14/05/16 2:00 PM LAX
        14/05/16 5:20 PM 77W
        Daily
        67% / 31m F7 A0 P6 J7 R7 D7 I0 Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7 L7 V7 G7 S7 N7 Q7 O0
        what about C? That's really the only one I'm interested in for upgrade with miles, sorry
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        Old Feb 17, 2016, 12:28 am
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        Originally Posted by Smiley90
        Could someone please check AA135 (LHR-LAX) on May 14th for me? Thank you very much Looking to see if there's upgrade space available... I fear not but never know. (so... C?)
        AA 135 0 LHR
        14/05/16 14:00 LAX
        14/05/16 17:20 77W
        Daily
        63% / 33m F7 A0 P6 J7 R7 D7 I0 C0 Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7 L7 V7 G7 S7 N7 Q7 O7
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        Old Feb 17, 2016, 3:21 am
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        Originally Posted by nufnuf77
        How did you get to actually get the numbers? Did you change POS?
        NO, I used a GDS so i've got access to all airlines - does Expert Flyer limit information on UL?
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        Old Feb 17, 2016, 5:03 am
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        Please could the BA208 from MIA-LHR be checked on the 18/2.

        Thanks
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        Old Feb 17, 2016, 5:08 am
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        Originally Posted by Rupeb
        Please could the BA208 from MIA-LHR be checked on the 18/2.

        Thanks
        Hi Rupeb. Here it is with UK Point of sale.

        F3 A2 J9 C0 DC RC IC W5 EC TC Y9 B9 H6 K6 M3 L3 VC SC NC QC OC G9
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        Old Feb 17, 2016, 5:44 am
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        Originally Posted by Sam Bee
        NO, I used a GDS so i've got access to all airlines - does Expert Flyer limit information on UL?
        Possibly, I never really check UL so don't know for certain but that was what I got the other day.
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        Old Feb 17, 2016, 10:45 am
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        Hi,

        Can someone check BA0609 (OLB to LHR) on 4 September for me? I'm just trying to work out why the non-semi flex economy tickets have all gone and when (if) there will be any coming back onto the market - or wether to purchase at the shown price?

        Thanks
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