Jan 1, 2014, 6:10 am
Last edit by: NWIFlyer
If you wish to request availability for a specific flight, please state the date and origin/departure airport codes, not just the flight number.
Please also restrict requests to BA/oneworld flights - flights for other airlines may be removed to avoid cluttering the thread and taking it away from BAEC.
As of 15 Oct 2014 flightstats.com no longer displays flight availability.
Fare class availability can be queried in various ways*:
* Please update wiki if you know of any others.
** Origin of data concealed
What do the codes mean?
Suppose we have a result as F1 A0 J9 C7 D0 RC IC W9 E9 T4 Y9 BC HC ...
This means:
There is 1 seat in the F bucket for sale
There are 0 seats in the A and D bucket for sale, but you can join the waitlist in case seats get released later.
There are at least 9 seats in the J, W, E and Y buckets.
The R, I, B and H buckets are closed to waitlisting.
There are two important things to note about how to interpret these numbers that many people don't understand as it is very counter intuitive:
1) There is NO direct relation to the actual number of seats available on the specific flight. They only mean that the airline is willing to sell this many seats on that specific flight. The airline may intend to oversell seats or withhold seats from sale for many reasons.
2) In the example above, the results show W9 E9 T4 (which are all WT+ buckets). This does not mean that there are 9+9+4=22 seats for sale. Interpret these numbers as "there are at least 9 seats for sale in WT+". There could really be anywhere between 9 and 22 seats for sale - we just can't tell from the numbers the system gives us. Therefore, the conservative approach of assuming that there are at least 9 seats for sale is usually the best one.
What does the "C" mean?
Closed to waitlisting.
In the example above we have RC, IC, BC and HC. This is different to A0 and D0: The A and D buckets are "full" but you can apply to join their waitlists (if your fare permits waitlisting). With R, I, B and H you cannot even request a seat.
The carrier will determine how to confirm your seat if it wishes. Sometimes this may happen immediately, other times only a few minutes before the flight's departure. The order of the waitlist is determined by the carrier privately, but your Executive Club status will push you towards the front of the queue. Many cheap fares do not allow waitlisting.
Differences for non-BA airlines
Please also restrict requests to BA/oneworld flights - flights for other airlines may be removed to avoid cluttering the thread and taking it away from BAEC.
As of 15 Oct 2014 flightstats.com no longer displays flight availability.
Fare class availability can be queried in various ways*:
* Please update wiki if you know of any others.
** Origin of data concealed
What do the codes mean?
Suppose we have a result as F1 A0 J9 C7 D0 RC IC W9 E9 T4 Y9 BC HC ...
This means:
There is 1 seat in the F bucket for sale
There are 0 seats in the A and D bucket for sale, but you can join the waitlist in case seats get released later.
There are at least 9 seats in the J, W, E and Y buckets.
The R, I, B and H buckets are closed to waitlisting.
There are two important things to note about how to interpret these numbers that many people don't understand as it is very counter intuitive:
1) There is NO direct relation to the actual number of seats available on the specific flight. They only mean that the airline is willing to sell this many seats on that specific flight. The airline may intend to oversell seats or withhold seats from sale for many reasons.
2) In the example above, the results show W9 E9 T4 (which are all WT+ buckets). This does not mean that there are 9+9+4=22 seats for sale. Interpret these numbers as "there are at least 9 seats for sale in WT+". There could really be anywhere between 9 and 22 seats for sale - we just can't tell from the numbers the system gives us. Therefore, the conservative approach of assuming that there are at least 9 seats for sale is usually the best one.
What does the "C" mean?
Closed to waitlisting.
In the example above we have RC, IC, BC and HC. This is different to A0 and D0: The A and D buckets are "full" but you can apply to join their waitlists (if your fare permits waitlisting). With R, I, B and H you cannot even request a seat.
The carrier will determine how to confirm your seat if it wishes. Sometimes this may happen immediately, other times only a few minutes before the flight's departure. The order of the waitlist is determined by the carrier privately, but your Executive Club status will push you towards the front of the queue. Many cheap fares do not allow waitlisting.
Differences for non-BA airlines
- Some carriers (those using Sabre such as AA) only show a maximum of 7 available seats (not 9). Others only show a maximum of 5.
- Some carriers use "L" instead of "0" (e.g., CL DL YL) to indicate you may waitlist for the seat. This tends to happen when the entire flight is on a list basis.
Help to check seat availability and flight loads
Feb 6, 2016, 4:43 am
#2506
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 845
Anyone have load info on BA 285 (LHR-SFO) on 13/2?
Feb 6, 2016, 12:31 pm
#2507
Join Date: Nov 2007
Programs: BAEC Bronze, VS Red, AMEX Plat Plus
Posts: 128
Hi everyone
Could someone help me by checking the load for the 209 on Monday 8th Feb to MIA please. On MMB there are only 3 seats left available to select in WTP and I have 3 family members travelling who haven't pre booked seats. I take it they will end up in these 3 seats scattered around the WTP?
Cheers
Deno
Could someone help me by checking the load for the 209 on Monday 8th Feb to MIA please. On MMB there are only 3 seats left available to select in WTP and I have 3 family members travelling who haven't pre booked seats. I take it they will end up in these 3 seats scattered around the WTP?
Cheers
Deno
Feb 6, 2016, 12:47 pm
#2508
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: LHR, LGW
Programs: BAEC
Posts: 3,496
Hello all,
Would someone know the loads of 2712 to AGP on Feb 10th please?
Many thanks
Would someone know the loads of 2712 to AGP on Feb 10th please?
Many thanks
Feb 6, 2016, 12:54 pm
#2509
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: City of Kingston Upon Hull
Programs: BAEC Gold
Posts: 4,945
Flight Availability
LGW to AGP on 10/02/16 12:00 AM
Flying BA
Point of Sale: UK
Expanded
BA 2712 LGW 7:50 → AGP 11:40
J4 C3 D2 RC IC Y2 B1 H0 K0 M0 LC VC NC QC OC SC G0
Last edited by kanderson1965; Feb 6, 2016 at 1:03 pm
Feb 6, 2016, 12:59 pm
#2510
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: City of Kingston Upon Hull
Programs: BAEC Gold
Posts: 4,945
hi everyone
could someone help me by checking the load for the 209 on monday 8th feb to mia please. On mmb there are only 3 seats left available to select in wtp and i have 3 family members travelling who haven't pre booked seats. I take it they will end up in these 3 seats scattered around the wtp?
Cheers
deno
could someone help me by checking the load for the 209 on monday 8th feb to mia please. On mmb there are only 3 seats left available to select in wtp and i have 3 family members travelling who haven't pre booked seats. I take it they will end up in these 3 seats scattered around the wtp?
Cheers
deno
ba 209 LHR 13:50 → MIA 18:45
F2 A1 J9 C0 DC RC IC W9 E9 T5 Y9 B9 H9 K9 M9 L9 V9 S9 N9 Q9 O9 G9
uk pos
ExpertFlyer showing all seats except 3 middle seats (61E, 63E and 65E) occupied.
Last edited by kanderson1965; Feb 6, 2016 at 1:15 pm
Feb 6, 2016, 1:07 pm
#2511
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: City of Kingston Upon Hull
Programs: BAEC Gold
Posts: 4,945
Feb 6, 2016, 1:16 pm
#2512
Join Date: Nov 2007
Programs: BAEC Bronze, VS Red, AMEX Plat Plus
Posts: 128
What should they do regarding OLCI? They are positioning from NCL on the morning of the flight, so can choose seats before most other none-status pax, but with 3 random seats left, should they not do OLCI and hope for the best at the airport?
Cheers
Feb 6, 2016, 1:34 pm
#2514
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: City of Kingston Upon Hull
Programs: BAEC Gold
Posts: 4,945
Thanks. Did you mean something by uk pos?
What should they do regarding OLCI? They are positioning from NCL on the morning of the flight, so can choose seats before most other none-status pax, but with 3 random seats left, should they not do OLCI and hope for the best at the airport?
Cheers
What should they do regarding OLCI? They are positioning from NCL on the morning of the flight, so can choose seats before most other none-status pax, but with 3 random seats left, should they not do OLCI and hope for the best at the airport?
Cheers
Feb 6, 2016, 1:37 pm
#2515
Join Date: Nov 2007
Programs: BAEC Bronze, VS Red, AMEX Plat Plus
Posts: 128
No problem. I always quote the point of sale (POS) as the figures quoted are not the number of seats left but the number that BA are willing to sell in a paticular POS. Someone from say the USA is probably not interested in how many seats are for sale to UK based customers etc. Regarding OLCI, check in as soon as possible but do not print your boarding passes and see what can be done if anything at either NCL or at Flight Connections at LHR. Someone more knowledgable may come along with some better advice though.
Feb 6, 2016, 1:38 pm
#2516
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: City of Kingston Upon Hull
Programs: BAEC Gold
Posts: 4,945
Difficult one to read as the flexible buckets ( F, J, W and Y) are resonably open so they may be banking on some last minute bookings, however Y<9 is indicative of a close to full WT cabin.
Feb 6, 2016, 1:39 pm
#2517
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: London / Brighton
Programs: BAEC Gold / M-Life Gold / HH Diamond
Posts: 1,711
Worth considering that the numbers are the tickets in the different fare buckets that BA are prepared to sell, the fact they have less than 9 in some economy buckets would suggest it's pretty full.
Looking at the seat map for your flight, there are only 3 seats that haven't already been reserved in WT+, it looks like BA are prepared to sell twice that many presumably to account for upgrades etc.
Results from ExpertFlyer.com
Code:
Seat Map Search:
Departing LHR on 13/02/16 for SFO
Flying BA flight 285 in Premium Economy
A B D E F G J K
28 E X + X X + X E
29 E X X - + - - X X E
30 W - - - + - - - - W
31 W - - - - - - - - W
A B D E F G J K
Seats
Premium Only P
Available +
Handicap-Accessible H
Paid & Premium #
Occupied -
Blocked X
Lavatory L
Paid $
Location
Exit Row E
Wing W
Upper Deck U
Last edited by Lucanesque; Feb 6, 2016 at 1:52 pm
Feb 6, 2016, 1:57 pm
#2518
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: City of Kingston Upon Hull
Programs: BAEC Gold
Posts: 4,945
I was just in the process of replying to your OP, kanderson1965 beat me to it
Worth considering that the numbers are the tickets in the different fare buckets that BA are prepared to sell, the fact they have less than 9 in some economy buckets would suggest it's pretty full.
Looking at the seat map for your flight, there are only 3 seats that haven't already been reserved in WT+, it looks like BA are prepared to sell twice that many presumably to account for upgrades etc.
Results from ExpertFlyer.com
Worth considering that the numbers are the tickets in the different fare buckets that BA are prepared to sell, the fact they have less than 9 in some economy buckets would suggest it's pretty full.
Looking at the seat map for your flight, there are only 3 seats that haven't already been reserved in WT+, it looks like BA are prepared to sell twice that many presumably to account for upgrades etc.
Results from ExpertFlyer.com
Code:
Seat Map Search:
Departing LHR on 13/02/16 for SFO
Flying BA flight 285 in Premium Economy
A B D E F G J K
28 E X + X X + X E
29 E X X - + - - X X E
30 W - - - + - - - - W
31 W - - - - - - - - W
A B D E F G J K
Seats
Premium Only P
Available +
Handicap-Accessible H
Paid & Premium #
Occupied -
Blocked X
Lavatory L
Paid $
Location
Exit Row E
Wing W
Upper Deck U
Feb 6, 2016, 1:57 pm
#2519
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 845
I was just in the process of replying to your OP, kanderson1965 beat me to it
Worth considering that the numbers are the tickets in the different fare buckets that BA are prepared to sell, the fact they have less than 9 in some economy buckets would suggest it's pretty full.
Looking at the seat map for your flight, there are only 3 seats that haven't already been reserved in WT+, it looks like BA are prepared to sell twice that many presumably to account for upgrades etc.
Worth considering that the numbers are the tickets in the different fare buckets that BA are prepared to sell, the fact they have less than 9 in some economy buckets would suggest it's pretty full.
Looking at the seat map for your flight, there are only 3 seats that haven't already been reserved in WT+, it looks like BA are prepared to sell twice that many presumably to account for upgrades etc.
Thanks for the replies guys. Have had two op-ups with BA (WY-->WT+), so I am hoping for a 3rd one next week.