pazza2000

Obviously you can only guess, however what would you say the likelyhood(in %) of getting NF on this Route in August is?

It is our First F, and the NF looks well suited to my tastes

terminalfive

At the moment you've got around a 10/20% chance

By August my guess is that you will be closer to 50%

pazza2000

Thanks, i was hoping it would be greater than that. I would have assumed LAX would have been a priority route for this product, although of course i am sure they have their reasoning. Do you know if there is much of a difference in terms of likelyhood with the SFO route?

terminalfive

I have no idea how they decide the rotations but the prime "NF" routes aren't the 744 routes anyway as you have a better chance on the 4 class 777 routes ex LHR (eg ORD..)

Between LAX and SFO based on history so far its a coin toss

The only route that appears to me to have a greater % of NF on their 744 services is JFK..

In the end though all of this is a guess -> no way of being sure unless you book a route with a "guarenteed" 773 service

VH-EAB

www.thebasource.com reporting G-BNLT back from CWL with NF.

marks7389

As it currently stands the focus appears to have been on fitting Hi-J configured aircraft. As I've said previously that is likely to be deliberate; those aircraft are used primarily on 747 routes that have a higher proportion of premium (i.e. first/business) traffic and where, consequently, the competition for that premium traffic is likely to be greater.

Unfortunately the LAX routes tend to use Mid-J aircraft so the chances as they currently stand are lower. I can guess that route attracts a higher proportion of leisure/economy traffic than routes such as New York or Singapore where Hi-Js are predominantly used.

So far there only one or two Mid-Js that have been upgraded (depending on what you believe), the rest are all Hi-Js.

nmenaker

Can anyone report on SFO or ORD to LHR, and also possibly LHR to BOM or DEL to LHR?

I'm trying to book some tickets, would prefer NF.

Compared to OLD first, is the NEW CLUB better?

FlyerTalker6245

no.

terminalfive

I'd add "way" - no way

nmenaker

So, better to just book F regardless of new vs. old, over the new club. I mean, the new club seats, entertainmen, etc look pretty nice. We are talking about the same level, just ONE below F, right?

I guess, scanning some of the stats work that someone did, looks like ORD to LHR is about 80% new F on some flights, and 65% on others - and that was up till July, so a January-February next year might be even higher chances.

Looks like SFO to LHR isn't as lucky.

But there is LOTS of availability at the moment, wonder why

henkybaby

F is F and NF is just a little nicer than regular F.

CW is ok too, but no F. There is no old or new CW (technically there is some on 767s, but those are very rare). 777 routes have a higher chance on NF.

marks7389

Not necessarily. It depends on the configuration of the aircraft predominantly used on the routes you are looking at.

E.g. for the longer 777 sectors with First, only one out of nine aircraft used on those routes have been upgraded, whereas a much higher proportion of Hi-J 747s have been upgraded.

marks7389

Yes, Club is one below First.

Any flights operated by one of BA's three new 777-300s will have New First. At present one of the rotations to ORD (BA294/295) is often operated with one of those aircraft, but even that is not guaranteed. The fact that there are only 3 aircraft means equipment changes are inevitable any time any one of them is undergoing maintenance as was the case recently.

Your % figures above are somewhat overstated - in July only a handful of aircraft had been upgraded and the first 773 didn't come into service until the end of August. But you're right to say that the chances are increasing, at least for the 747s at the moment.

david-alexis

I think the best way to approach this is to expect the "old" F and be pleasantly surprise by new F. I would also add that for BA F main issues are more with the food than the seat IMO.

nmenaker

yeah, that sounds like a plan, and the SERVICE hopefully, and the lounges in LHR, we'll be there nearly 10 hours.

My PIL are taking us to India, and I'm providing the flights. So, this latest plan coming together to book AWARDS on BA has made it a LOT cheaper for me compared to bout 20K on UA/LH etc. I haven't flown BA in about 10 years literally (used to do europe or london to new york a COUPLE TIMES A WEEK) so I don't really know their product anymore either in the air or on the ground.

I'll have to brush up on the TTD in london when flying F.