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Old Nov 16, 2023 | 4:30 am
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Not sure if this is the same project, but due to a very tight connection yesterday I ended up using the Flight Connections route (one that comes out towards the North of the terminal) and that section had a new scanner. It was 3 lanes per machine (instead of the usual 4), nothing came out of any bags and the human scanner portion were just open 2 walls and you placed your arms down away from the body (instead of over your head in previous scanners). All was pretty efficient and painless.

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Old Nov 16, 2023 | 5:00 am
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Originally Posted by Pilot37
Not sure if this is the same project, but due to a very tight connection yesterday I ended up using the Flight Connections route (one that comes out towards the North of the terminal) and that section had a new scanner. It was 3 lanes per machine (instead of the usual 4), nothing came out of any bags and the human scanner portion were just open 2 walls and you placed your arms down away from the body (instead of over your head in previous scanners). All was pretty efficient and painless.
That's been there over a year now, and was the trial and training area. It's the same set up as LCY, KEF, EDI, SEN, MME.
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Originally Posted by Pilot37
Not sure if this is the same project, but due to a very tight connection yesterday I ended up using the Flight Connections route (one that comes out towards the North of the terminal) and that section had a new scanner. It was 3 lanes per machine (instead of the usual 4), nothing came out of any bags and the human scanner portion were just open 2 walls and you placed your arms down away from the body (instead of over your head in previous scanners). All was pretty efficient and painless.

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That's been there a while, presumably a trial before the full rollout.
Are these the same as the new scanners being rolled out?
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Old Nov 16, 2023 | 5:09 am
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Originally Posted by PUCCI GALORE
1) Am I correct in that liquids and gels do not need to taken out? Must they be in the same sort of containers or if the quantities change meaning that one take more that 100ml? Do the need to be in a freezer bag or make up case which is transparent?
They stay in. From July the UK rules change and there isn't a realistic liquids ban any more (it's at 2 litres per item but in reality that's probably not going to be enforced). No need for clear bags either. Obviously one has to be mindful of the return direction. My understanding is that LHR will remove the restrictions before July, and anyone going through the new CT scanners will be on the new protocols anyway (i.e. liquids allowed). More information in the UK and Ireland Forum.

2) I understand that laptops, Ipads and Kindles will not need to come out?
Correct. But please separate multiple larger tablets and laptops into 2 different bags or 2 different places in the same bag. That's just advice from me, it stands to reason that two devices stacked together get very difficult to untangle on the screens.

3) Will there be secondary screenings for those who have prosthetics such as hip replacement?. Him Indoors is always stopped.
Yes, but some prosthetic arrangements are programmed into the new walls so that may make it easier..

4) This is happening in T5 - do we have any information concerning T3?
As mentioned, that's a separate project and apart from the underpinning I don't have the details.
These are probably very basic and have been answered elsewhere so forgive me. Will this - at least in theory - make Security go quicker?
It's quicker for the incompetent packer, slower for those who know the restrictions and have packed accordingly. The amount of work done by the screening process is a lot more if things are not separated out, as I'm sure you've seen in the USA.
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Old Nov 16, 2023 | 7:05 am
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Ha! Using them in JER last week, I'd say more than 50% were going to secondary. It was all rather slow and painful
Same in T2 in DUB. Slower than the removing liquids etcalthough I massively enjoy not having to mess with my bag when going through.
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Old Nov 16, 2023 | 7:33 am
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Sadly my experience at JER is not great to date. I hadn't had a secondary there in three years of going through about 2-3 times a month. I am on 100% secondaries under the new machines. They are advising passengers that if you have more than one laptop/tablet/kindle, you should remove the second etc. from your bag. I am hoping it will improve in time but they've been there a good few months now and I'm not seeing an improvement.
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Old Nov 16, 2023 | 7:45 am
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There goes me bringing photographic film through T5 then...
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Old Nov 16, 2023 | 7:51 am
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A friend got pulled at secondary at LCY and they told him it was because he had a bottle of wine in there ! Hopefully it'll settle down over time
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Old Nov 16, 2023 | 7:55 am
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Knowing HAL, this project will take a lotof time and will have an impact on everyone. It's taken them years to put Standard 3 machines for baggage.
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Old Nov 16, 2023 | 8:03 am
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Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
They stay in. From July the UK rules change and there isn't a realistic liquids ban any more (it's at 2 litres per item but in reality that's probably not going to be enforced). No need for clear bags either. Obviously one has to be mindful of the return direction. My understanding is that LHR will remove the restrictions before July, and anyone going through the new CT scanners will be on the new protocols anyway (i.e. liquids allowed). More information in the UK and Ireland Forum.<snip>
I assume many are excited about the idea of being able to have larger containers of liquid in carry-on, but barring broader international cooperation I just don't see how this offers much practical value. Assuming one is flying round trip and assuming you intend to bring the larger container back with you (i.e. you didn't fully use it up) one is still constrained by the liquids protocol on the other end of your travels...

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Old Nov 16, 2023 | 8:08 am
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I thought they'd drag it out until 30th May 2024 - given the potential loss of post security sales revenue

At least they are cracking on and getting it done though
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Old Nov 16, 2023 | 9:13 am
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Originally Posted by scubadu
I assume many are excited about the idea of being able to have larger containers of liquid in carry-on, but barring broader international cooperation I just don't see how this offers much practical value. Assuming one is flying round trip and assuming you intend to bring the larger container back with you (i.e. you didn't fully use it up) one is still constrained by the liquids protocol on the other end of your travels...

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I usually have larger amount of liquids when coming back to the UK ;-) and then have to connect to another flight

The tamper evident bag route is a bit hit and miss .
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Old Nov 16, 2023 | 9:39 am
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As someone that flies a lot of domestic EDI- London / JER this is good news. Hopefully the teething problems are short lived. Never had an issue flying back from LCY with the new scanners.

I wonder if they will prioritise FW at LHR?
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Old Nov 16, 2023 | 9:57 am
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Originally Posted by scubadu
I assume many are excited about the idea of being able to have larger containers of liquid in carry-on, but barring broader international cooperation I just don't see how this offers much practical value. Assuming one is flying round trip and assuming you intend to bring the larger container back with you (i.e. you didn't fully use it up) one is still constrained by the liquids protocol on the other end of your travels...
Its very useful for Brits if youre going for a week away where you may want to take a can of deoderant or some sun tan lotion with you. In almost all cases its cheaper buying it in UK supermarkets than at airports or at shops abroad.
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Old Nov 16, 2023 | 10:08 am
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Originally Posted by joepatr
Its very useful for Brits if youre going for a week away where you may want to take a can of deoderant or some sun tan lotion with you. In almost all cases its cheaper buying it in UK supermarkets than at airports or at shops abroad.
That's fair for sure and I don't mean to imply that there is no value in this, but at the same time, for many folks, if only going away for a week a travel size container is probably sufficient. Sun tan lotion makes sense (though even there, some destinations may indeed be cheaper than in the UK). Again, it's certainly a step forward, but there will be many, many cases where it doesn't provide that much of a real benefit.

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