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Apr 22, 2011 | 12:53 pm

#1906

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mmdpkaaa

thanks very much. what does FS- CS+ YS+ stand for? :s

F : First Class
C : Business Class
Y : Economy Class

+ means availability
- means No availability
/ this class doesn't exist

Apr 22, 2011 | 8:57 pm

#1907

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Quote:

Originally Posted by G_G

MEL-SIN awards in Business are impossible to find because they are flown by SQ's 77W or 388.

Not impossible for the 777. Equipment swaps are frequent on this route and award space is not consistently blocked. Look far ahead.

Apr 25, 2011 | 11:55 am

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Have we got a thread somewhere that lists the award booking classes that we can use for Diamond Club (i.e. a list that contains most Star Alliance airlines)?

Apr 25, 2011 | 11:24 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cityflyer369

Have we got a thread somewhere that lists the award booking classes that we can use for Diamond Club (i.e. a list that contains most Star Alliance airlines)?

Here is a complete listing of Star Alliance Award Booking Classes across its 26 member carriers (all of which are supported via the KVS Tool):

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Classes

Apr 26, 2011 | 11:14 am

#1910

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im trying to find flights on ANA but wth no luck, i need 2 seats business class from MAN-SYD/MEL on the 28th May - can anyone help?!
best i can find is MAN-ZRH-IST-BKK-SYD which seems awfully longwinded!
ANA doesnt seem to be showing any flights for LX or SQ
i dont mind travelling via dxb if its any better?

Apr 27, 2011 | 3:22 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mmdpkaaa

[KVS Availability Tool 6.1.2/Diamond - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]

Code:

MAN  Manchester Intl UK [EGCC]
DXB  Dubai AE [OMDB]
FRI  27 May 2011 | 2 Seats

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
LH         949     MAN   07:15     FRA   10:00     320  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
 -> LH     630     FRA   15:05     DXB   23:10     744  0   FS-  CS+  YS+
LH         941     MAN   08:50     FRA   11:35     319  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LH     630     FRA   15:05     DXB   23:10     744  0   FS-  CS-  YS-
LH         2503    MAN   17:15     MUC   20:10     319  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LH     638     MUC   21:45     DXB   05:40 +1  343  0   FS-  CS-  YS-

[KVS Availability Tool 6.1.2/Diamond - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]

Code:

DXB  Dubai AE [OMDB]
SYD  Sydney Kingsford Smith NS AU [YSSY]
SAT  28 May 2011 | 2 Seats

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
SQ         493     DXB   20:00     SIN   07:30 +1  772  0   FS-  CS-  YS-
 -> SQ     211     SIN   09:25 +1  SYD   18:55 +1  772  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
SQ         453     DXB   23:45     SIN   11:15 +1  772  0   FS-  CS-  YS-
 -> SQ     221     SIN   20:10 +1  SYD   05:55 +2  388  0   FS/  CS-  YS+
TG         518     DXB   20:55     BKK   06:40 +1  330  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
 -> TG     471     BKK   07:55 +1  SYD   20:00 +1  346  0   FS-  CS+  YS+

Apr 28, 2011 | 7:00 am

#1912

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KVS

Here is a complete listing of Star Alliance Award Booking Classes across its 26 member carriers (all of which are supported via the KVS Tool):

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Classes

Thank you very much for this link, KVS.

One OT hint in return for this:
As the table correctly shows, AF's booking class system is going to change from June. What could be updated in the table is that parallel to this change KL's award booking classes will be switched to the AF system. (Actually AF and KL are going to allign all their booking classes.) Discussions about this can be found in the Flying Blue forum.

One more question to you:
Some airlines have different availability in the same award booking class, depending on whether or not the person requesting the award flight has a higher status. How does the KVS tool deal with this feature? And is this relevant for DC award flights and/or StarAlliance award flights?

Apr 28, 2011 | 8:27 am

#1913

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I checked this on ANA tool and its available, my question is: Is it a valid z2-8 routing?

Friday 22nd July Bud - FRA 19:25 - 21:05 LH1341 C
Friday 22nd July Fra - KUL 22:45 - 18:15 LH782 C
Stop
Monday 25th July KUL - SIN 20:30 - 21:25 SQ119 C
Monday 25th July SIN - ICN 23:55 - 07:30* SQ602 C

Thurs 28th July ICN - SIN 09:00 - 14:15 SQ603 C
Thurs 28th July SIN - KUL 17:00 - 17:55 SQ116 C
stop
Mon 8th Aug KUL - FRA 21:35 - 06:10* LH783 C
Tue 9th Aug FRA - BUD 08:50 - 10:20 LH1334 C

Apr 28, 2011 | 3:39 pm

#1914

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cityflyer369

Thank you very much for this link, KVS.

You're welcome!

Quote:

Originally Posted by cityflyer369

One OT hint in return for this:
As the table correctly shows, AF's booking class system is going to change from June. What could be updated in the table is that parallel to this change KL's award booking classes will be switched to the AF system. (Actually AF and KL are going to allign all their booking classes.) Discussions about this can be found in the Flying Blue forum.

Indeed, the AF/KL sections of table are currently being updated in preparation for the booking class alignment on 01 Jun. Additional revisions have been posted today.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cityflyer369

One more question to you:
Some airlines have different availability in the same award booking class, depending on whether or not the person requesting the award flight has a higher status. How does the KVS tool deal with this feature? And is this relevant for DC award flights and/or StarAlliance award flights?

In addition to the Standard Star Alliance Award Availability (on all *A member carriers), KVS Tool also supports Expanded Award Availability for members of certain FFPs (M&M, SQ KF & UA MP for redemptions on LX/LH/OS/LO/SN/JP/OU, SQ, and UA respectively).

However, only Standard Award Availability is relevant for Star Alliance Award Redemptions (incl. BD DC redemptions on *A carriers).

Apr 29, 2011 | 4:57 am

#1915

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Having spent much of the last 3 years working away (and therefore racking up Diamond Miles) I want to take the wife and kids to New York in the next year.

Can anyone advise on the likelihood of availability (2 adults, 2 kids) for BHX to EWR next Feb half term? Feb 11th - 16th 2012. The direct Continental flight looks the best option.

Or what is the best alternative route (or dates in school holidays).

Much appreciated!

Apr 29, 2011 | 6:25 pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by derbyphil

I want to take the wife and kids to New York in the next year.

Welcome to FT and the bmi forum derbyphil.

^

Finding four redemption seats at either end of a school holiday is always a challenge : to what extent are you willing to take a roundabout route with one or more changes ? Also, are you looking for first, business or economy ?

Apr 30, 2011 | 4:29 am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by derbyphil

No seat on the direct flight but 4 seats in Eco/Biz/First if you transit by FRA

[KVS Availability Tool 6.1.2/Diamond - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]

Code:

BHX  Birmingham Intl UK [EGBB]
FRA  Frankfurt Metro / Frankfurt Intl DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
SAT  11 Feb 2012 | 4 Seats

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
LH         959     BHX   06:55     FRA   09:35     E90  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
LH         953     BHX   09:45     FRA   12:20     735  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
LH         955     BHX   14:00     FRA   16:40     E90  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
LH         957     BHX   18:25     FRA   21:00     733  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
SN         2050    BHX   06:30     BRU   08:45     AR8  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LH     1009    BRU   11:20     FRA   12:20     733  0   FS/  CS-  YS+
SN         2040    BHX   11:40     BRU   13:50     AR1  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LH     1015    BRU   16:45     FRA   17:40     320  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
LH         3443    BHX   07:50     DUS   10:10     100  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
 -> LH     79      DUS   12:10     FRA   13:00     733  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
LH         3443    BHX   07:50     DUS   10:10     100  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
 -> LH     81      DUS   14:30     FRA   15:20     735  0   FS/  CS+  YS+

[KVS Availability Tool 6.1.2/Diamond - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]

Code:

FRA  Frankfurt Metro / Frankfurt Intl DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
NYC  New York Metro NY US = JFK LGA
SAT  11 Feb 2012 | 4 Seats

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
SQ         26      FRA   08:20     JFK   10:45     744  0   FS-  CS-  YS-
CO         51      FRA   11:05     EWR   14:00     777  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
LH         400     FRA   11:20     JFK   14:05     333  0   FS-  CS-  YS+
LH         402     FRA   13:00     EWR   16:05     346  0   FS-  CS+  YS+
LH         404     FRA   16:50     JFK   19:35     744  0   FS-  CS+  YS+
LH         484     FRA   17:30     EWR   20:20     343  0   FS+  CS+  YS+
LH         422     FRA   12:05     BOS   14:30     346  0   FS-  CS-  YS+
 -> US     2135    BOS   16:00     LGA   17:14     E90  0   FS+  CS-  YS-
LH         902     FRA   08:25     LHR   09:05     321  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
 -> CO     111     LHR   11:15     EWR   14:45     752  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
LH         904     FRA   10:10     LHR   10:50     321  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
 -> CO     113     LHR   12:35     EWR   16:05     752  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
LH         910     FRA   15:15     LHR   15:55     321  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
 -> CO     115     LHR   18:00     EWR   21:30     752  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
LH         922     FRA   21:20     LHR   22:00     321  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
 -> CO     19      LHR   08:40 +1  EWR   12:05 +1  752  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
LH         1004    FRA   07:10     BRU   08:05     319  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
 -> UA     961     BRU   09:50     EWR   12:15     777  0   FS-  CS-  YS+
LH         948     FRA   21:35     MAN   22:15     320  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
 -> CO     21      MAN   09:00 +1  EWR   12:00 +1  752  0   FS/  CS-  YS-

Apr 30, 2011 | 4:34 am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by derbyphil

Same for the return flights on Februrary, 16th (but only Eco/Biz)

[KVS Availability Tool 6.1.2/Diamond - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]

Code:

NYC  New York Metro NY US = JFK LGA
FRA  Frankfurt Metro / Frankfurt Intl DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
THU  16 Feb 2012 | 4 Seats

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
LH         401     JFK   16:05     FRA   05:45 +1  333  0   FS-  CS+  YS+
LH         403     EWR   18:05     FRA   07:45 +1  346  0   FS-  CS-  YS+
CO         50      EWR   19:25     FRA   09:15 +1  777  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
SQ         25      JFK   21:00     FRA   10:50 +1  744  0   FS-  CS-  YS-
LH         405     JFK   21:35     FRA   11:10 +1  744  0   FS-  CS+  YS+
LH         485     EWR   22:10     FRA   11:55 +1  343  0   FS-  CS+  YS+
US         2130    LGA   14:00     BOS   15:06     E90  0   FS+  CS-  YS-
 -> LH     423     BOS   16:15     FRA   05:20 +1  346  0   FS-  CS-  YS+
CO         18      EWR   09:00     LHR   21:20     752  0   FS/  CS-  YS+
 -> LH     921     LHR   06:20 +1  FRA   08:55 +1  321  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
CO         28      EWR   19:15     LHR   07:25 +1  777  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LH     901     LHR   08:55 +1  FRA   11:30 +1  320  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
CO         114     EWR   22:05     LHR   10:15 +1  752  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LH     905     LHR   11:45 +1  FRA   14:15 +1  321  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
UA         960     EWR   18:40     BRU   07:50 +1  777  0   FS-  CS-  YS+
 -> LH     1005    BRU   08:50 +1  FRA   09:50 +1  319  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
CO         20      EWR   19:35     MAN   07:30 +1  752  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LH     941     MAN   09:10 +1  FRA   11:55 +1  733  0   FS/  CS-  YS+
CO         26      EWR   19:00     BHX   06:55 +1  752  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LH     953     BHX   09:45 +1  FRA   12:20 +1  735  0   FS/  CS-  YS+

[KVS Availability Tool 6.1.2/Diamond - SNT: Awards/StarAlliance/JP-ANA-SP1]

Code:

FRA  Frankfurt Metro / Frankfurt Intl DE = FRA HHN [EDDF]
BHX  Birmingham Intl UK [EGBB]
FRI  17 Feb 2012 | 4 Seats

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
LH         952     FRA   08:30     BHX   09:05     735  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
LH         954     FRA   12:50     BHX   13:25     E90  0   FS/  CS-  YS+
LH         956     FRA   17:10     BHX   17:45     733  0   FS/  CS-  YS+
LH         958     FRA   22:20     BHX   22:55     E90  0   FS/  CS-  YS+
LH         1004    FRA   07:10     BRU   08:05     319  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
 -> SN     2037    BRU   09:05     BHX   09:15     AR8  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
LH         1006    FRA   07:55     BRU   08:50     320  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
 -> SN     2039    BRU   11:00     BHX   11:10     AR1  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
LH         1012    FRA   12:50     BRU   13:45     319  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
 -> SN     2045    BRU   15:50     BHX   16:00     AR8  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
LH         1018    FRA   17:40     BRU   18:35     735  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
 -> SN     2047    BRU   19:35     BHX   19:45     EQV  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
LH         74      FRA   09:00     DUS   09:50     320  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LH     3446    DUS   14:25     BHX   14:50     100  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
LH         76      FRA   10:45     DUS   11:35     733  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LH     3446    DUS   14:25     BHX   14:50     100  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
LH         82      FRA   16:35     DUS   17:25     733  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
 -> LH     3448    DUS   18:25     BHX   18:50     100  0   FS/  CS-  YS-
LH         86      FRA   19:40     DUS   20:30     733  0   FS/  CS+  YS+
 -> LH     3442    DUS   06:45 +1  BHX   07:10 +1  100  0   FS/  CS+  YS+