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AA Award: Cathay Pacific / CX availability, etc. (2018-2022 archive)

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Awards: All Cathay Pacific / CX (Including First and Business Class)
Questions, Availability, Discussion


NOTE: Multiple reports starting in June 2021 that CX is allowing only a 24 hour hold and could cancel reservations not being ticketed beyond 24 hours.

Please feel free to use this thread for questions regarding CX Economy, Premium Economy, First and Business Class award redemption using AAdvantage miles, as well as questions regarding award availability, routings and related issues. Please go to the Cathay Pacific Asia Miles Forum to discuss or ask about meals, equipment, service, etc. on CX, as there is an existing wealth of information there - and this is the American Airlines AAdvantage Forum .

AA Flight award chart for oneworld and partner airlines

Other related threads that may be of interest:

FT Discrepancy between CX Award Search and AA availability: Discrepancy between QF and CX award search and AA availability

FT How , When to Select CX Seats on CX Award: How / when to select seat on a Cathay (CX) award / flight (consolidated)

FT Cathay Pacific Experience - Seats / Interline/ Baggage FAQs: Cathay Pacific Experience / Seats / Interline / Baggage FAQs

Also, for Rules about awards, see AA oneworld and Other Airline Partner Award information, rules (2015 on).

Expert Advice:

Only "MileSAAver" awards apply to oneworld and AA partners.
Premium Economy seats are not available with AAdvantage awards, may be soon as AA sells Premium Economy Feb 2017.

Be aware that what you see on the BA, JL, or QF sites may not be visible to the AA reservations folks. You may want to note the flight on which the F award seat is shown as "available" on those sites and if the AA agent doesn't see any availability suggest that the AA agent check that specific one again. If the AA agent still cannot see it, thank them, hang up, and call back a little later.

Sometimes CX will make flights available for award booking to CX frequent flyers, but not release the seats immediately for other oneworld frequent flyers. Usually though, the seats, if not taken by CX frequent flyers, are released after a while to other OW programs.

Although CX may release seats for award earlier, AA can book them no more than 331 days prior to departure. The awards that CX does release are available as early as 355 days prior to departure for CX and BA frequent fliers, and sometimes that means the awards you want w AA miles will be snatched up prior to the 331 day mark.

*** AA does not have a set schedule to load flights. They can load it anytime after midnight 331 days out. Most of the time it is within a couple to 12 hours of that. Other times, it can be a full day or a day and a half afterwards, especially on the weekends where there's most variability. Unlike JL award space, it is not a specific time of day.

4Keep in mind that when booking eastbound space to North America that it's one day later in HKG so that space usually becomes available 330 days in advance to North America; this is not always true, since CX has already loaded the availability a month prior to AA - it is just up to AA to load and release the seats on SABRE, so it typically ends up being 330 days out, but not necessarily.

Similarly... if you are trying to book westbound, US->HKG->Somewhere then AA may not be able to book the HKG->Somewhere segment 331 days in advance of the US->HKG flight, if it is still 332 days out in HKG. As it is the flights from US->HKG that are hardest to get, if you find a seat US->HKG at the 331 day mark when it is first available for booking through AA but cannot book the continuation, you can just put that US->HKG segment on hold with AA, then call back the next day when connecting flights will be loaded into the system to try to book the onward flight from HKG.

AA does not charge "YQ" surcharges [what they sometimes call "fuel surcharge"] on CX award segments (BA Avios does), thus the taxes and fees on your "free" ticket on CX or KA are almost always significantly less than for the same routing on BA.

There is a Hong Kong Departure Tax (HK) of $120 HKD (approx $15.50 USD) on every segment departing Hong Kong. Exemptions apply. If your ticket includes this tax and you qualify for an exemption, a refund can be applied for either in person at HKIA landside or via post to Civil Aviation Department. AA charges this tax for children under 12 years of age despite the exemption. In order to obtain a cash refund at HKIA, you will need passenger passport, passenger boarding pass, passenger ticket receipt showing the fare calculation line which will show the HK tax being charged. This receipt can be obtained at any AA counter worldwide including HKIA as well as Airport Express in-town check-in (AA check-in). As the AA counter at HKIA operates only during limited hours, Airport Express in-town check-in would be the the convenient option.

Not all CX flights offer First class; CX Business is markedly different on long haul and regionally configured aircraft.

If you're looking for multiple seats in First on a particular flight but can find only some but not all that you're looking for, take what's available in F, then take the rest of the seats you want on J (if available) on the same flight, and check back periodically to see if an F seat has opened up for award. There is no additional charge (in money, although there will be in miles) to change to an award to a higher cabin of service (e.g., J to F, Y to F, Y to J) as long as the award keeps the same origin/destination airports.

Be aware your award must conform to some rules on a) MPM (Maximum Permitted Mileage - your award routing can not exceed 125% of the most direct routing available); a useful tool is Great Circle Mapper.

The Most Significant Carrier (transpacific usually, CX in most of these posts,) must offer a non-"constructed" fare between your origin and destination (you might find an unconstructed fare between DFW and SIN, but might not from Killeen to SIN).

If you can't pick your CX seats online, either due to them being blocked or you just want to call, you need to first get the CX PNR from AAdvantage at 1-800-882-8880. Then call CX at 1-800-233-2742. Some seats that are blocked on CX website are assignable via AA reservations. Close to departure AA can even assign 2A, 2K.

Note: if the Cathay Manage booking tool doesn't appear to recognize your CX PNR, you need to enter your first name AND middle name, separated by a space, in the "First Name" field.

AAward bookings containing CX flights that are put on hold will be restricted to only 24hrs, not the usual 5 days.

Frequently Asked Questions
What are the patterns for west coast routes?
Because LAX has 4 daily flights to HKG, it tends to be the easiest option for blocks of 3 or more J award seats. SFO and YVR only have 2 daily flights and even if 5 award seats were initially released at 355 days prior to departure, some of those may be gone by the time the 331 day mark rolls around. If you need 4 or 5 J award seats on these west coast routes, either use Avios to book at 355 days or consider routing through LAX where there may still be availability at 331 days out.

Can I visit my companion in First Class if I'm in Business Class?
"Up-cabin visits" are not permitted per CX policy, though have been granted under special circumstances. But putting crew in the awkward position of being asked to violate policy is generally frowned upon. Down-cabin visits are permitted ex-USA. However, on flights to the USA, down-cabin visits are not permitted and this rule is vigorously enforced.

Posts made in 2017 may be read in ARCHIVE: 2017 AA Awards in Cathay Pacific / CX, KA...

Posts made in 2016 may be read in ARCHIVE: AA Awards on Cathay Pacific (2016).

Posts made in 2015 may be read in ARCHIVE: AA Awards on Cathay Pacific (2015).

Posts made in 2014 may be read in ARCHIVE: Awards: CX / Cathay Pacific / (inc. F and J) - 2014.

N.B. Older posts have been moved and archived to: Cathay Pacific / CX (inc. First and Business Class) award - ARCHIVED.
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AA Award: Cathay Pacific / CX availability, etc. (2018-2022 archive)

Old Jan 12, 2018, 12:33 pm
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Originally Posted by FlightNurse
I believe this is 2 award and would be more than 70K
Thank you! same thing like EY and Qatar, but at least I ask to make sure!
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Old Jan 12, 2018, 12:42 pm
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Originally Posted by newdaybegin
CDG - HKG - SFO is this a legit route? and how much it would cost for one way? 70K? I try to book a business class one way from Paris, thanks!
Sheesh - that's about as far a detour as you can take on that route. Not sure even CX J is worth that.
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Old Jan 12, 2018, 3:57 pm
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Originally Posted by no1cub17
Sheesh - that's about as far a detour as you can take on that route. Not sure even CX J is worth that.
Definitely NOT worth 2 awards. CX J is nothing special other than the reversed herringbone seat is still a preferred mode to many incl us. But it lacks bedding, too hard, and the F&Bs are subpar.

I would take the QR J even the old 777 2-2-2 over CX J anyday when everything is considered.
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Old Jan 16, 2018, 8:22 am
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Originally Posted by A1pax
Am in the UK and both AA and AS have never been able to see CX availability (I could see same availability in BA, JL, expertflyer etc but neither AA nor AS saw anything!). The standard response has always been different airlines have different allocations for award redemption from a partner airline.
Drives me crazy when they tell me this. I don't know why I even both arguing the point with them.
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Old Jan 16, 2018, 10:28 am
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How does changing cabins interact with the close-in booking fee, when the ticket is split into 2 awards? For example: I plan to fly JFK-HKG-SYD in CX J, since QF space is impossible to find and routing thru NAD/PPT/HNL looks super annoying. The HKG-SYD segment prices as a separate award, and also lacks J award seats on my preferred date. If space opens up within 21 days of departure, can I get that ticket reissued w/o fees? (paying just the difference in miles)

Does the answer change if I stay >24hr in HKG? So long as I'm paying the extra miles to connect thru Asia 2, I may as well make it into a proper stopover. (though I'd have to pay the HK visitor's tax, I suppose)
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Old Jan 16, 2018, 12:57 pm
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Another data point on time to ticket.

Booked new reservation and requested ticket immediately for November 2018 travel Tuesday 12:00PM Eastern. Ticket issued 2:46PM Eastern. I specifically sorted out the middle name during booking (eg either tell agent passenger has no middle name or provide middle name)
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Old Jan 17, 2018, 6:21 am
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I have 1F and 1J booked with AA miles for the beginning of our honeymoon in June. Obviously I want to bump up the 1J to F. Ive read that F availability has a good likelihood to show up T-2 weeks of the flight. Until then, should I keep checking to see if another F award shows up? Or does Cathay only ever release 1F for a flight and then wait until T-2 to release more?
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Old Jan 17, 2018, 7:12 am
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Originally Posted by Youngtraveldude
I have 1F and 1J booked with AA miles for the beginning of our honeymoon in June. Obviously I want to bump up the 1J to F. Ive read that F availability has a good likelihood to show up T-2 weeks of the flight. Until then, should I keep checking to see if another F award shows up? Or does Cathay only ever release 1F for a flight and then wait until T-2 to release more?
If it was my honeymoon, I would certainly keep checking, as you have nothing to lose. Two weeks before is when you'll really see some activity, although there's nothing to say a seat couldn't drop in before then.
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Old Jan 17, 2018, 8:37 am
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Originally Posted by JJeffrey
If it was my honeymoon, I would certainly keep checking, as you have nothing to lose. Two weeks before is when you'll really see some activity, although there's nothing to say a seat couldn't drop in before then.
This is not true. Cathay does not, as a universal rule on North American routes, release a second F seat until close to departure. Nothing has suggested they would start doing this now.
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Old Jan 17, 2018, 9:22 am
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Originally Posted by callmedtop
This is not true. Cathay does not, as a universal rule on North American routes, release a second F seat until close to departure. Nothing has suggested they would start doing this now.
My experience booking 5 to 6 CX F JFK/ORD/BOS awards per year suggest the bolded section above in not universally accurate.
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Old Jan 17, 2018, 9:30 am
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Originally Posted by seawolf
My experience booking 5 to 6 CX F JFK/ORD/BOS awards per year suggest the bolded section above in not universally accurate.
Definitely correct me if I am wrong, but the only time I have seen F awards made available when the cabin is F5 or below is through married segments to another Asian destination (i.e. JFK-HKG-PVG), and even this is rather rare, at least recently. I've booked dozens of awards over the years and have not seen a F seat available on a USA-HKG itinerary when the cabin is F5 or lower, unless close-in.
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Old Jan 17, 2018, 12:06 pm
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Originally Posted by callmedtop
Definitely correct me if I am wrong, but the only time I have seen F awards made available when the cabin is F5 or below is through married segments to another Asian destination (i.e. JFK-HKG-PVG), and even this is rather rare, at least recently. I've booked dozens of awards over the years and have not seen a F seat available on a USA-HKG itinerary when the cabin is F5 or lower, unless close-in.
I've been very fortunate to have booked perhaps 50 F segments on CX over the years. OP needs to monitor selling inventory first (no reason to get busy at T-14 if the flight is F1), and then really step it up inside of T-14, depending on selling inventory. But omitting the monitoring of selling inventory is foolish, imo.

Unlike JL, there's no formulaic award-release schedule.
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Old Jan 17, 2018, 12:54 pm
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Originally Posted by jamienbaker
I've been very fortunate to have booked perhaps 50 F segments on CX over the years. OP needs to monitor selling inventory first (no reason to get busy at T-14 if the flight is F1), and then really step it up inside of T-14, depending on selling inventory. But omitting the monitoring of selling inventory is foolish, imo.

Unlike JL, there's no formulaic award-release schedule.
Yes, I agree - whenever I am waiting for F to open I set alerts on ExpertFlyer for when F drops to F4 (from F5), F3, F2, and so on. I just don't think its necessary to look at award space everyday or purchase an AwardNexus subscription for prior to T-14. I do use AwardNexus if I need a J seat on the same flight (and I will search for J and F), and have never seen F open up before T-14.
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Old Jan 17, 2018, 1:36 pm
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Yes, I agree - whenever I am waiting for F to open I set alerts on ExpertFlyer for when F drops to F4 (from F5), F3, F2, and so on. I just don't think its necessary to look at award space everyday or purchase an AwardNexus subscription for prior to T-14. I do use AwardNexus if I need a J seat on the same flight (and I will search for J and F), and have never seen F open up before T-14.
The only thing I'd add is that when flights are F6, I do occasionally see an F award released between the initial and 2 week goalposts. For example, there's an F award hanging out there JFKHKG 31JULY18 which seems pretty soon...and it was NOT part of the initial release at the 355 day mark. Popped up a few weeks ago. But this obviously doesn't help anyone on F5 or lower flights.

Point is, if you want an award and a flight is F6, I WOULD check daily as something could open.
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Old Jan 17, 2018, 2:17 pm
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Originally Posted by jamienbaker
The only thing I'd add is that when flights are F6, I do occasionally see an F award released between the initial and 2 week goalposts. For example, there's an F award hanging out there JFKHKG 31JULY18 which seems pretty soon...and it was NOT part of the initial release at the 355 day mark. Popped up a few weeks ago. But this obviously doesn't help anyone on F5 or lower flights.

Point is, if you want an award and a flight is F6, I WOULD check daily as something could open.
Yes, 100%. This has definitely happened on numerous occasions and if the flight is F6 you should without a doubt check daily or set an alert via AwardNexus or similar.
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