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Awards: All Cathay Pacific / CX (Including First and Business Class)
Questions, Availability, Discussion

For the current thread, please see here.

NOTE: As of 15 Jan 2017, JFK CX flights have relocated to Terminal 8.

Please feel free to use this thread for questions regarding CX Economy, Premium Economy, First and Business Class award redemption using AAdvantage miles, as well as questions regarding award availability, routings and related issues. Please go to the Cathay Pacific Asia Miles Forum to discuss or ask about meals, equipment, service, etc. on CX, as there is an existing wealth of information there - and this is the American Airlines AAdvantage Forum .

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Other related threads that may be of interest:

FT Discrepancy between CX Award Search and AA availability: Discrepancy between QF and CX award search and AA availability

FT How , When to Select CX Seats on CX Award: How / when to select seat on a Cathay (CX) award / flight (consolidated)

FT Cathay Pacific Experience - Seats / Interline/ Baggage FAQs: Cathay Pacific Experience / Seats / Interline / Baggage FAQs

Also, for Rules about awards, see AA oneworld and Other Airline Partner Award information, rules (2015 on).

NOTE:

1) Only "MileSAAver" awards apply to oneworld and AA partners.
1a) Premium Economy seats are not available with AAdvantage awards, may be soon as AA sells Premium Economy Feb 2017.

2) Awards on Cathay Pacific and subsidiary KA / DragonAir may be booked through AA.

3) aa.com does not reveal CX awards; you must call AA (1-800-882-8880) to book a CX award (though you may find BA, JL or QF websites may reflect CX award availability). As CX/KA awards can not be booked online on aa.com, you must call (no fee).

3a) Be aware that what you see on the BA, JL, or QF sites may not be visible to the AA reservations folks. You may want to note the flight on which the F award seat is shown as "available" on those sites and if the AA agent doesn't see any availability suggest that the AA agent check that specific one again. If the AA agent still cannot see it, thank them, hang up, and call back a little later.

3b) Sometimes CX will make flights available for award booking to CX frequent flyers, but not release the seats immediately for other oneworld frequent flyers. Usually though, the seats, if not taken by CX frequent flyers, are released after a while to other OW programs.

4) Although CX may release seats for award earlier, AA can book them no more than 331 days prior to departure. The awards that CX does release are available as early as 355 days prior to departure for CX and BA frequent fliers, and sometimes that means the awards you want w AA miles will be snatched up prior to the 331 day mark.

*** AA does not have a set schedule to load flights. They can load it anytime after midnight 331 days out. Most of the time it is within a couple to 12 hours of that. Other times, it can be a full day or a day and a half afterwards, especially on the weekends where there's most variability. Unlike JL award space, it is not a specific time of day.

4a) Keep in mind that when booking eastbound space to North America that it's one day later in HKG so that space usually becomes available 330 days in advance to North America; this is not always true, since CX has already loaded the availability a month prior to AA - it is just up to AA to load and release the seats on SABRE, so it typically ends up being 330 days out, but not necessarily.

4b) Similarly... if you are trying to book westbound, US->HKG->Somewhere then AA may not be able to book the HKG->Somewhere segment 331 days in advance of the US->HKG flight, if it is still 332 days out in HKG. As it is the flights from US->HKG that are hardest to get, if you find a seat US->HKG at the 331 day mark when it is first available for booking through AA but cannot book the continuation, you can just put that US->HKG segment on hold with AA, then call back the next day when connecting flights will be loaded into the system to try to book the onward flight from HKG.

5) CX tends to initially release award seats farther out, and then again closer to the day of departure if there is remaining F or J seat inventory available, so keep checking back with AA up to the last practicable minute. AA will ticket partner awards/changes up to 4 hours prior to departure.

5a) So is there a pattern to how many seats CX releases? They seem to consistently release 5 J award seats and 1-2 F award seats on long hauls to/from North America at 355 days out. For intra-Asia flights, they often release just 4 J seats.

5b) Patterns for west coast routes: Because LAX has 4 daily flights to HKG, it tends to be the easiest option for blocks of 3 or more J award seats. SFO and YVR only have 2 daily flights and even if 5 award seats were initially released at 355 days prior to departure, some of those may be gone by the time the 331 day mark rolls around. If you need 4 or 5 J award seats on these west coast routes, either use Avios to book at 355 days or consider routing through LAX where there may still be availability at 331 days out.

5c) Pattern for release of close-in (within about 14 days of flight) award seats? Driving Rain reports that using BA.com it appeared that on three consecutive Sunday evenings at exactly 1030pm Eastern Daylight Time inventory would open up for "close-in" CX flights (i.e. flights roughly within 14 days of that Sunday) to and from the US. While there were changes here and there periodically during the week, sweeping changes occurred on Sunday nights at 1030. Driving Rain reports that it seems that on Monday mornings in Hong Kong (i.e. 1030pm EDT on Sunday) someone at CX HQ consistently did a run through the inventory and freed it up. No guarantees, but a person looking for close-in flights might want to plan to check with AA shortly after 1030 PM Eastern Time on Sundays to see if anything has become available.

6) AA does not charge "YQ" surcharges [what they sometimes call "fuel surcharge"] on CX/KA award segments (BA Avios does), thus the taxes and fees on your "free" ticket on CX or KA are almost always significantly less than for the same routing on BA.

6a) There is a HKIA Security Surcharge of approx $6 USD on any segment departing HKG. The addition of this surcharge will trigger US Arrival (and possibly Departure) Tax ($17.50 USD each) if the award involves a flight arriving/departing into the US. Effective 01MAY2017, Hong Kong Airport Passenger Security Charge is now captured as a tax (I5) instead of surcharge.


6b) There is a Hong Kong Departure Tax (HK) of $120 HKD (approx $15.50 USD) on every segment departing Hong Kong. Exemptions apply. If your ticket includes this tax and you qualify for an exemption, a refund can be applied for either in person at HKIA landside or via post to Civil Aviation Department. AA charges this tax for children under 12 years of age despite the exemption. In order to obtain a cash refund at HKIA, you will need passenger passport, passenger boarding pass, passenger ticket receipt showing the fare calculation line which will show the HK tax being charged. This receipt can be obtained at any AA counter worldwide including HKIA as well as Airport Express in-town check-in (AA check-in). As the AA counter at HKIA operates only during limited hours, Airport Express in-town check-in would be the the convenient option.

7) Not all CX flights offer First class; CX Business is markedly different on long haul and regionally configured aircraft.

8) If you're looking for multiple seats in First on a particular flight but can find only some but not all that you're looking for, take what's available in F, then take the rest of the seats you want on J (if available) on the same flight, and check back periodically to see if an F seat has opened up for award. There is no additional charge (in money, although there will be in miles) to change to an award to a higher cabin of service (e.g., J to F, Y to F, Y to J) as long as the award keeps the same origin/destination airports.

9) In general, rerouting to different flights after you have redeemed an award will not attract a monetary penalty so long as the originating and destination airports are the same (connection airport can differ without triggering change fee) and you are using oneworld carriers. For this reason, be aware of potential alternate routings and check them, too. For example, CX uses LAX, SFO, ORD, JFK, and BOS as ports of entry to the US from HKG (and also YVR and YYZ in Canada), so if you have one F and one J award seat on a non-stop from HKG to ORD, you might check flights from HKG to LAX for available seats in F, and if they are available, reroute from your HKG-ORD to HKG-LAX on CX, then continue LAX-ORD on AA First.

9a) Note the above rule also applies if you change the dates of flight but retain the same originating city and destination city. If you are flexible in your travel dates be sure to periodically check availability on other dates as well.

10) Be aware your award must conform to some rules on a) MPM (Maximum Permitted Mileage - your award routing can not exceed 125% of the most direct routing available); a useful tool is Great Circle Mapper.

11) The Most Significant Carrier (transpacific usually, CX in most of these posts,) must offer a non-"constructed" fare between your origin and destination (you might find an unconstructed fare between DFW and SIN, but might not from Killeen to SIN).

12) If you can't pick your CX seats online, either due to them being blocked or you just want to call, you need to first get the CX PNR from AAdvantage at 1-800-882-8880. Then call CX at 1-800-233-2742. Some seats that are blocked on CX website are assignable via AA reservations. Close to departure AA can even assign 2A, 2K.
Note: if the Cathay Manage booking tool doesn't appear to recognize your CX PNR, you need to enter your first name AND middle name, separated by a space, in the "First Name" field.

13) Up-cabin visits (i.e. J pax joining F companion in F cabin) are not permitted per CX policy, though have been granted under special circumstances. But putting crew in the awkward position of being asked to violate policy is generally frowned upon. Down-cabin visits are permitted ex-USA. However, on flights to the USA, down-cabin visits are not permitted and this rule is vigorously enforced.

Posts made in 2017 may be read in ARCHIVE: 2017 AA Awards in Cathay Pacific / CX, KA...

Posts made in 2016 may be read in ARCHIVE: AA Awards on Cathay Pacific (2016).

Posts made in 2015 may be read in ARCHIVE: AA Awards on Cathay Pacific (2015).

Posts made in 2014 may be read in ARCHIVE: Awards: CX / Cathay Pacific / (inc. F and J) - 2014.

N.B. Older posts have been moved and archived to: Cathay Pacific / CX (inc. First and Business Class) award - ARCHIVED.
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Old Jan 1, 17, 5:04 am
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ARCHIVE: 2017 AA Award: Cathay Pacific / CX, KA availability, etc. (master thd)

CX CMB to HKG for January 8th showed up on BA site when I checked now. Not sure whether it was loaded today or the last couple of days as I had no data or internet connection. Only showing one economy and no biz available. Is there a likelihood that the biz class for this date and flight show up at a later date or does no availability as of today means no availability ever? Also if there was a biz award available and was taken already yesterday , will CX ever release more seats?

Thanks
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Old Jan 1, 17, 5:16 am
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Originally Posted by metoo View Post
CX CMB to HKG for January 8th...Is there a likelihood that the biz class for this date and flight show up at a later date or does no availability as of today means no availability ever? Also if there was a biz award available and was taken already yesterday , will CX ever release more seats?
I would say it's highly unlikely that J award space will open up on that flight. That being said, CX does certainly release award inventory closer to departure (even if previous award space has been released/booked) - just don't expect every single revenue seat in business class to ultimately made available. BA.com continues to not display close-in CX award inventory accurately, so you'll need to check via other means (calling AA, Qantas, KVS, etc). Good luck, but I wouldn't anticipate much success for this flight

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Old Jan 1, 17, 6:28 am
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Originally Posted by flyingeph12 View Post
Not sure if it will be allowed, but you could try HND-(JL)-CAN-(UL)-BKK on 1/3. Maybe also NRT-(JL)-HAN on 1/2 and HAN-(QR)-BKK on 1/3, but the overnight in HAN will require a visa, which will likely be hard to get at this late juncture.
Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately I tried a few times with various reps, but wasn't successful.

Looks like biz class availability has dried up on JL and CX over the next week and I'm stuck now. Sucks since it always seemed last minute openings were still presenting it self last few weeks. Expert flyer still says J7 for Japan flight 61 today, but AA rep says no award redemption available.

I might have to bite the bullet and just buy a ticket outright to get there now . Probably also look to get there via coach with miles if I can.
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Old Jan 1, 17, 9:38 am
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Originally Posted by Livingintheair View Post
Hey everyone, booked my first CX award the other day. Currently in coach with my SO but hoping to switch to business. What are the odds of two business class award seats opening up on these flights?

3/18 ORD -> HKG on CX 807
3/26 HKG -> ORD on CX 806
Any thoughts?
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Old Jan 1, 17, 9:48 am
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Originally Posted by Livingintheair View Post
Any thoughts?
You should get a subscription to EF to look at flight loads closer to your dates. So far, your flights look fully open so chances look decent, but with 3 months out, it's not really possible to predict with any certainty.
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Old Jan 1, 17, 9:51 am
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Originally Posted by AQ172 View Post
Thanks for the suggestions. Unfortunately I tried a few times with various reps, but wasn't successful.

Looks like biz class availability has dried up on JL and CX over the next week and I'm stuck now. Sucks since it always seemed last minute openings were still presenting it self last few weeks. Expert flyer still says J7 for Japan flight 61 today, but AA rep says no award redemption available.

I might have to bite the bullet and just buy a ticket outright to get there now . Probably also look to get there via coach with miles if I can.
Holiday travel on the Asian airlines are TIGHT right now. I flew first class Hkg-ord yesterday and all seats were occupied except one (broken) seat. It was also full on my way there 2 weeks ago.
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Old Jan 1, 17, 9:52 am
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Originally Posted by AtomicLush View Post
You should get a subscription to EF to look at flight loads closer to your dates. So far, your flights look fully open so chances look decent, but with 3 months out, it's not really possible to predict with any certainty.
And awardnexus to send you an alert should awards appear.
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Old Jan 1, 17, 10:29 am
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Originally Posted by metoo View Post
CX CMB to HKG for January 8th showed up on BA site when I checked now. Not sure whether it was loaded today or the last couple of days as I had no data or internet connection. Only showing one economy and no biz available. Is there a likelihood that the biz class for this date and flight show up at a later date or does no availability as of today means no availability ever? Also if there was a biz award available and was taken already yesterday , will CX ever release more seats?

Thanks
This CMB flight was easy to get award seats. Not anymore. Lots of Mainland Chinese visitors flying to Sri Lanka these days and ex CMB fares don't help with it either.

The last part of January will be tough getting award seats on regional flights due to Chinese New Year.

@AQ172 why don't you try MH from NRT to BKK via KUL?
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Old Jan 1, 17, 1:01 pm
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Originally Posted by AtomicLush View Post
Holiday travel on the Asian airlines are TIGHT right now. I flew first class Hkg-ord yesterday and all seats were occupied except one (broken) seat. It was also full on my way there 2 weeks ago.
It seems the only window during the holiday season was the few days before X'mas based on the info posted upthread.

CNY period is tough, both before and after, longhaul and regional.

I think next year we would pick the window before X'mas for going and return in Mid January.
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Old Jan 1, 17, 7:48 pm
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Just called AA to ticket an award on Cathay and was told the taxes on a TPE-HKG-BOS coach award was $116.56. Was a little surprised because I don't remember paying over $100 for a one way award before to Asia so I asked the agent to break down the fee. When he got to the $40 award processing fee I asked him what that was and he offered to transfer me to a supervisor for further clarification. Of note I had already asked for a supervisor because he wasn't able to ticket the award - apparently someone had entered the middle and last names as the last name and the agent wasn't able to correct the name and said I needed to pay a change fee in order to have the ticket go through. The supervisor reviewed the fees and when I asked about the $40 award booking fee he said it was the standard but as a one time courtesy he would waive the fee?! I politely stated I thought that Cathay awards were not subject to a phone fee because they can not be booked online. My final fee went down to $76.56 - I think that sounds about right (currently abroad and i don't have my notes on previous bookings with me)? Thank you in advance for any insight!
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Old Jan 1, 17, 8:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Happy View Post
It seems the only window during the holiday season was the few days before X'mas based on the info posted upthread.

CNY period is tough, both before and after, longhaul and regional.

I think next year we would pick the window before X'mas for going and return in Mid January.
Yesterday only 1 economy class available but today 3. However still no availability for biz so keeping fingers crossed
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Old Jan 1, 17, 9:14 pm
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I'm still looking for J on CX from JFK to HKG on 1/5 or 1/6. Waited until 10:30 AM local time in Hong Kong to see if nee inventory loaded, but there are still no J awards available to AA at all this week. I have to fly one of those days (preferably on CX 845 one of those day) and am starting to get nervous given that I have to be in homg Kong by 8:00 AM on 1/7. When should I panic and what are my options?
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Old Jan 1, 17, 9:30 pm
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I would suggest being flexible on leaving any day this week and prepare to leave within 24 to 4 hours to departure.

I would also buy a backup ticket.

First week of new year is peak. Economy is sold out or close to be sold out which means CX unlikely to release J awards and keep them to be used to upgrade premium economy and economy to handle oversells.
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Old Jan 1, 17, 9:39 pm
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I'm trying to get from MNL-ORD between 1/9-1/11.

Can anyone give me an idea if availability from MNL-HKG is going to open up on 1/9-1/10. Hoping for 2 J seats. I've been finding some availability for the TPAC flights but cant seem to find availability on the MNL-HKG to connect.
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Old Jan 1, 17, 9:44 pm
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Originally Posted by DDResq View Post
I'm still looking for J on CX from JFK to HKG on 1/5 or 1/6. Waited until 10:30 AM local time in Hong Kong to see if nee inventory loaded, but there are still no J awards available to AA at all this week. I have to fly one of those days (preferably on CX 845 one of those day) and am starting to get nervous given that I have to be in homg Kong by 8:00 AM on 1/7. When should I panic and what are my options?
Why not do JL through NRT? It looks like there is availability on 1/6 (and 1/5 if you are willing to downgrade to Y on the NRT-HKG leg). Personally, I prefer JL to CX anyways (unless you really want a nonstop).
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