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Old Jul 4, 2014, 8:35 pm
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oneworld nonstop flights between USA and Australia are operated by American Airlines / AA and Qantas / QF. US gateways include DFW, JFK, LAX, SFO. Australia gateways include BNE, MEL, SYD.

Alternatives include using Hawaiian / HA from HNL, Fiji Airways / FJ from Los Angeles / LAX or SFO via NAN or Air Tahiti Nui / TN via PPT. (QF codeshares on Jetstar are no longer bookable as AA awards). You must route direct or South Pacific; awards via Asia, or transatlantic require two awards. Premium Economy services may not be booked with AAdvantage miles yet.

Awards using HA / Hawaiian Airlines require two awards, and one may not use HA between the mainland and Hawaii.

Only MileSAAver Awards are available on AA partners.

The usual award rules regarding Maximum Permitted Miles (MPM) and unconstructed origin-destination routings sold by the prevailing carrier apply.

Qantas releases awards ~355 days out; AA can not book anything beyond 331 days out. Qantas awards are challenging to secure. AA MileSAAver flights seem to be scarce on the LAX-SYD routing, even when aircraft go out with empty seats. AAnytime awards can be used on AA, but dynamic pricing may see those for as much as 225,000 miles one way in First.

Note: there are fees involved in award changes from oneworld airlines to non-oneworld partners or vice versa.

See here for current AA redemption charts.

Threads that can help include:

oneworld and Other Airline (Partner) Awards info, rules 2014 on

MileSAAver / SAAver Award Availability - Assistance & Discussion (consolidated) (you must use MileSAAver awards on partners; AAnytime wards may only be used on AA.)

AA miles awards: using / redeeming AA miles on Qantas (QF) (consolidated)

AAdvantage Miles Awards: TN / Air Tahiti Nui award redemptions

FJ / Fiji Airways (ex-Air Pacific) and AA, awards, etc. (consolidated)

Older posts have been archived to ARCHIVE: AAdvantage miles awards to / from Australia (consolidated)

Edit (post pandemic list at 06 Aug 2022 by Mwenenzi)
Airlines that fly USA/Canada to/from Australia. Following the pandemic, routes are being restabilised and some new routes. Schedules can change. Route restart dates subject to change.
  • Air Canada AC YVR – SYD BNE. [Star Alliance] .
  • Air New Zealand NZ LAX SFO IAH YVR via AKL. [Star Alliance]
  • Air Tahiti Nui TN LAX – via Tahiti & AKL. Last segments on QF codeshares. (AA & DL partner)
  • American Airlines AA LAX-SYD due to restart 29 Oct 2022 [OneWorld Alliance]
  • Delta DL LAX – SYD. [Skyteam Alliance]
  • Fiji Airways FJ LAX SFO HNL – BNE SYD MEL via NAN Fiji. (OneWorld Alliance connect. QF AA & AS partner)
  • Hawaiian HA HNL – SYD. Pre CV19 also used to fly to BNE (AA & VA partner)
  • Jetstar JQ HNL – SYD. Pre CV19 also used to fly to/from BNE & MEL.
  • Qantas QF SYD - LAX DFW HNL YVR*; BNE - LAX ; MEL- LAX. {* seasonal}. MEL-DFW due to start 02 Dec 2022 (new route). SYD – SFO due to restart 30 Oct 2022. Pre CV19 also had SYD-SFO & SYD-JFK(via LAX). [OneWorld Alliance]
  • United UA MEL-SFO, SYD-LAX SFO. BNE-SFO from 31 Oct 2022 (new route). MEL-LAX and SYD-IAH due to restart 30 Oct 2022. [Star Alliance]. (VA partner)
  • and others via Asia & Middle East
Airlines that fly USA/Canada to/from New Zealand (not from all airports to all airports)
Following the pandemic routes are being restabilised and with some new routes. Schedules can change. Route restart dates subject to change
  • American Airlines AA . DFW-AKL due to start 29 Oct 2022 to 25 Mar 2023(new route) LAX-AKL due to restart unknow. AA was to fly LAX-CHC 3 days a week from Oct 2020. [Oneworld Alliance]
  • Air Canada AC YVR – AKL Due to restart 12 Nov 2022 [Star Alliance]
  • Air New Zealand NZ LAX SFO IAH YVR – AKL. Pre CV19 also had ORD. [Star Alliance]
  • Air Tahiti Nui TN LAX - AKL via Tahiti (AA & DL partner)
  • Fiji Airways FJ LAX SFO HNL - AKL via NAN Fiji Pre CV19 used to fly to WLG CHC. (QF AA & AS partner).
  • Hawaiian HA HNL – AKL (AA & VA partner)
  • Qantas QF LAX SFO DFW JFK HNL YVR* via SYD BNE & MEL. {* seasonal} [Oneworld Alliance])
  • United UA SFO – AKL [Star Alliance]
  • And others via Australia, Asia & Middle East

Member Mwenenzi posted

Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
Mxflyer Welcome to FT

Many threads on this topic.
USA <---->Australia business class awards are one of the hardest to get. An award in ~6 to 8 weeks time (short notice) even harder. 2 people on the same flight harder again.
Hard but may not be impossible. At times availability can increase close in.
What ffp's are you currently a signed up member of?

If you look only at LAX SYD you are restricting your options a lot, and then some. Look at SFO, IAH & DFW and BNE MEL. BNE can have better availability than other airports. Domestic USA & Australia flights as needed

Via Asia is the other option, but would be 2 awards. BKK, HKG, TPE, SIN, NRT, HND and others. Due to political unrest some HKG flights have low loads

They do not need to fly the same airline/ffp/routes/airports out & back. Look for one ways.

AA ff miles cannot be used to upgrade QF flights. Anyway upgrades, with any airline on the USA Aust routes are hard.
Airlines that fly USA/Canada to/from Australia
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List deleted due to out of date post Covid-19 pandemic (see above)


AA & UA also fly LAX-AKL. Then a 3:30hr flight across to Aust.
Via Fiji or on TN can work

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Old Aug 13, 2019, 7:57 pm
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Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
To BNE from where? Return trip?
When?
As above, you effectively cannot merge ff miles/avios/points into 1 freq flyer program.
Awards are one way, so you can mix & match.
To/from HNL or NAN may be option. AA has some non Oneworld partners. FJ is now a OW connect ff partner
The cash cost of domestic flights in Australia can be reasonable (or expensive)

HELP DESK: MileSAAver / SAAver award questions, assistance

AA oneworld & Other Airline Partner Award information, rules (master thd)

Australia New Zealand AA forum ---> AAdvantage award to / from Australia, New Zealand (master thread)

HA---> Earning and Redeeming AA Miles on HA / Hawaiian Airlines (master thread)

QF---> AA miles awards: using / redeeming AA miles on Qantas (QF) & related (consolidated)


Airlines that fly USA/Canada to/from Australia
  • Air Canada AC (YVR – SYD BNE MEL) [Star Alliance]
  • Air New Zealand NZ (LAX SFO ORD IAH YVR via AKL) [Star Alliance]
  • Air Tahiti Nui TN (LAX – via Tahiti & AKL. Last segments on QF codeshares) (AA & DL partner)
  • American Airlines AA (LAX - SYD) [OneWorld Alliance] (AS partner)
  • Delta DL (LAX – SYD) (VA & AS partner) [Skyteam Alliance]
  • Fiji Airways FJ (LAX SFO HNL – BNE SYD MEL via Fiji) (QF, AA & AS partner) [NAN-ADL ceased 20 July 2019]
  • Hawaiian HA (HNL – BNE SYD) (AA & VA partner)
  • Jetstar JQ (HNL – BNE SYD MEL)
  • Qantas QF (LAX SFO JFK(via LAX) DFW HNL YVR* – SYD; LAX, SFO*, ORD* - BNE; LAX SFO - MEL) [OneWorld Alliance] (AS partner) {* seasonal}{*BNE ORD from 20 April, 2020, *BNE SFO from 5 Feb 2020}
  • United UA (LAX - MEL, LAX SFO IAH – SYD) (SFO - MEL from 20 Oct 2019)[Star Alliance].Reduced service IAH-SYD & LAX-SYD March 29 through October 25
  • Virgin Australia VA (LAX – BNE SYD MEL) (codeshares with AC*) (DL & AC* partner)
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  • and others via Asia & Middle East
great resource! Many thanks
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Old Aug 20, 2019, 1:47 am
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Was anyone able to book ORD - BNE on Qantas new flight? It seems like it is not bookable as yet. I also call AA and they said the flight not loaded in their system as yet. Let me know guys.
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Old Oct 7, 2019, 7:56 pm
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I would like to book a first class O/W from CDG or LHR to BNE, traveling mostly on Etihad, I'm only interested in the A380, which only flies to Sydney. Brisbane gets a 77W I believe, which doesn't have the First Apartments. I've found availability from CDG/LHR-AUH-SYD all on A380, for 115k miles. I would like to tag on a single QF flight in Biz from SYD to BNE, but this does not come up in a straight one-way search. I get nonstop AUH-BNE instead. I can book as multi-city, but then the award prices as two awards for a total of 135K. There are no layovers longer than 24hrs in the itinerary. My question is can I book Europe-AUH-SYD-BNE as a single 115K award, and if so, how do I book it? If I call, will the phone ticketing fee be waived since it wasn't showing up online? TIA
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Old Oct 7, 2019, 8:00 pm
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I would like to book a first class O/W from CDG or LHR to BNE, traveling mostly on Etihad, I'm only interested in the A380, which only flies to Sydney. Brisbane gets a 77W I believe, which doesn't have the First Apartments.
I've found availability from CDG/LHR-AUH-SYD all on A380, for 115k miles. I would like to tag on a single QF flight in Biz from SYD to BNE, but this does not come up in a straight one-way search. I get nonstop AUH-BNE instead.
I can book as multi-city, but then the award prices as two awards for a total of 135K. There are no layovers longer than 24hrs in the itinerary.
My question is can I book Europe-AUH-SYD-BNE as a single 115K award, and if so, how do I book it? If I call, will the phone ticketing fee be waived since it wasn't showing up online? TIA
Better to look in the dedicated AA-EY & AA- QF threads.
This thread is more about USA to Aust-NZ

EY----> Booking AA Award travel on Etihad / EY (master thread July 2017 onwards)

QF---> AA miles awards: using / redeeming AA miles on Qantas (QF) & related (consolidated)
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Old Oct 8, 2019, 4:45 am
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Originally Posted by aau
I would like to book a first class O/W from CDG or LHR to BNE, traveling mostly on Etihad, I'm only interested in the A380, which only flies to Sydney. Brisbane gets a 77W I believe, which doesn't have the First Apartments. I've found availability from CDG/LHR-AUH-SYD all on A380, for 115k miles. I would like to tag on a single QF flight in Biz from SYD to BNE, but this does not come up in a straight one-way search. I get nonstop AUH-BNE instead. I can book as multi-city, but then the award prices as two awards for a total of 135K. There are no layovers longer than 24hrs in the itinerary. My question is can I book Europe-AUH-SYD-BNE as a single 115K award, and if so, how do I book it? If I call, will the phone ticketing fee be waived since it wasn't showing up online? TIA
Using multi-city will automatically price out every leg separately. Put the CDG/LHR-AUH-SYD on hold at aa.com. Then call AA and tell them you want to add a segment onto the end of your award, and feed them the QF SYD-BNE flight.

* One of the advanced rules of AA partner awards is that there must be a published fare for the routing you want, so as long as EY publishes a CDG/LHR-BNE fare that allows a connection in SYD then the extra segment can be added to the same 115k award. If not, then when the agent puts it together, it will most likely still price the SYD-BNE separately. Do not worry about this now though, just call AA to see what it prices out as.
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Old Oct 19, 2019, 2:16 pm
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What's happened to availability of First awards on QF's A380 service from DFW/LAX to SYD/MEL? I haven't seen any for months. It's not even available on the A380 service MEL to SIN. With a little flexibility it used to be possible to find First on all of these routes. Is QF withholding First awards from AA? I've noticed Business availability is beginning to come back after a similar drought. Hopefully we'll begin to see First available again in a few months, or sooner.
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I have a Qantas Award, LAX-MEL, in February. Initially a couple days in Melbourne was planned, but scheduling is shaping up better to take a Qantas flight to Hobart (HBA) directly following arrival at MEL. (or possibly a Qantas flight operated by Jetstar - not sure this makes a difference in any scenario, but pointing it out as a possibility.)

I have the usual tickets/customs/luggage questions:

1. Is there any way to buy the MEL-HBA ticket and have it linked to the LAX-HBA ticket, to avoid dealing with luggage until reaching HBA? I'd rather just buy the cheap ticket MEL-HBA, but using 10K/20K Award miles via American is an option also on arrival day at MEL. How relevant is this? (#2)

2. Is #1 a relevant question with Australian customs & immigration procedures? i.e., will I need to retrieve luggage in MEL prior to connecting onward with Australia, similar I as I would in the U.S.? If the luggage can be connected all the way through, is it then a "drag & drop" following customs, similar to US? or If not, do I have to get the (heavy) luggage from an international arrival terminal to a domestic terminal, re-check, go back through security, etc.
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Old Oct 21, 2019, 11:02 am
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I have a Qantas Award, LAX-MEL, in February. Initially a couple days in Melbourne was planned, but scheduling is shaping up better to take a Qantas flight to Hobart (HBA) directly following arrival at MEL. (or possibly a Qantas flight operated by Jetstar - not sure this makes a difference in any scenario, but pointing it out as a possibility.)

I have the usual tickets/customs/luggage questions:

1. Is there any way to buy the MEL-HBA ticket and have it linked to the LAX-HBA ticket, to avoid dealing with luggage until reaching HBA? I'd rather just buy the cheap ticket MEL-HBA, but using 10K/20K Award miles via American is an option also on arrival day at MEL. How relevant is this? (#2)

2. Is #1 a relevant question with Australian customs & immigration procedures? i.e., will I need to retrieve luggage in MEL prior to connecting onward with Australia, similar I as I would in the U.S.? If the luggage can be connected all the way through, is it then a "drag & drop" following customs, similar to US? or If not, do I have to get the (heavy) luggage from an international arrival terminal to a domestic terminal, re-check, go back through security, etc.
2. No. As MEL is your port of entry to Australia you have to clear immigration, customs & bio-security with all your checked and carry-on luggage.
No airside drag & drop. In Australia international arrivals & domestic departures/arrivals are not connected.

At MEL transfer is easy. {SYD I<-->D is a PITA} Exiting MEL customs to the left and up 1 level to domestic (kiosk) check-in / bag drop area. Time to walk : 3 or 4 minutes. Then security and into domestic airside departures. Compared to USA, Australian security is quick and simple.

However at ~08:30 both international arrivals & domestic departures are very busy (by MEL standards). So allow plenty of time for possible flight delay, processing the Au formalities and getting to your next flight.

Airport info MELBOURNE (MEL) - amenities, transfers, transport Click to open the wiki

If buying MEL HBA with cash select "Australia" in top right of web site, to you get a local price. Avoid JQ if you can, even though its a short flight

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Originally Posted by cmtlatitudes
I have a Qantas Award, LAX-MEL, in February. Initially a couple days in Melbourne was planned, but scheduling is shaping up better to take a Qantas flight to Hobart (HBA) directly following arrival at MEL. (or possibly a Qantas flight operated by Jetstar - not sure this makes a difference in any scenario, but pointing it out as a possibility.)

I have the usual tickets/customs/luggage questions:

1. Is there any way to buy the MEL-HBA ticket and have it linked to the LAX-HBA ticket, to avoid dealing with luggage until reaching HBA? I'd rather just buy the cheap ticket MEL-HBA, but using 10K/20K Award miles via American is an option also on arrival day at MEL. How relevant is this? (#2)

2. Is #1 a relevant question with Australian customs & immigration procedures? i.e., will I need to retrieve luggage in MEL prior to connecting onward with Australia, similar I as I would in the U.S.? If the luggage can be connected all the way through, is it then a "drag & drop" following customs, similar to US? or If not, do I have to get the (heavy) luggage from an international arrival terminal to a domestic terminal, re-check, go back through security, etc.
1. If the MEL-HBA flight is available as an award, then just call AA and ask to add it onto your exiting LAX-MEL flight. A good agent will be able to do this without affecting your existing LAX-MEL flight. You would be charged the $150 fee for changing destinations (if not EXP), but no extra miles would be required, and everything would be on the same PNR. Other than that, there is no way to combine or link separate PNR's.

2. Entering Australia is very similar to entering the US with regards to customs/immigration, you will be required to pick up any baggage at MEL and clear customs, then drop it off again before your flight to HBA. Can't speak of the specific logistics of this at MEL (long walk or changing terminals, etc.)
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Mwenenzi, Thanks for info and link. My flight arrives to MEL around 10am, with the first viable HBA connection is 12:45pm, so that should be OK. (There's an 11:20 Jetstar flight, but would that be a little tight?)

How is the Qantas lounge at MEL? I I ended up there longer, would I be able to use? (Flying LAX-MEL in F, but MEL-HBA would be at best Business. More likely Coach. It seems over the top to purchase a Business ticket at $825 compared to $175 for coach, for a 1.5 hour flight. I do have OW sapphire status also (if they ever send my card)).
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Old Oct 21, 2019, 11:27 am
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Mwenenzi, Thanks for info and link. My flight arrives to MEL around 10am, with the first viable HBA connection is 12:45pm, so that should be OK. (There's an 11:20 Jetstar flight, but would that be a little tight?)

How is the Qantas lounge at MEL? I I ended up there longer, would I be able to use? (Flying LAX-MEL in F, but MEL-HBA would be at best Business. More likely Coach. It seems over the top to purchase a Business ticket at $825 compared to $175 for coach, for a 1.5 hour flight. I do have OW sapphire status also (if they ever send my card)).
There is a QF lounge at MEL domestic is you have OW Sapphire/Emerald status or flying business class when flying MEL-HBA on QF.
No lounge access for you if flying JQ with AA status. JQ is all economy.
I would do 2:45hr between separate QF MEL flights if landing at 10:00 (after the peak).
I would not take a 11:20 (or 12:45) JQ flight. Far longer walk to the JQ T4 terminal (~15 maybe 20 minutes).
Separate flights are always a risk.

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1. If the MEL-HBA flight is available as an award, then just call AA and ask to add it onto your exiting LAX-MEL flight. A good agent will be able to do this without affecting your existing LAX-MEL flight. You would be charged the $150 fee for changing destinations (if not EXP), but no extra miles would be required, and everything would be on the same PNR. Other than that, there is no way to combine or link separate PNR's.

2. Entering Australia is very similar to entering the US with regards to customs/immigration, you will be required to pick up any baggage at MEL and clear customs, then drop it off again before your flight to HBA. Can't speak of the specific logistics of this at MEL (long walk or changing terminals, etc.)
1. A MEL HBA could/should be less than US$150/Au$218 one way. For a random date in February I see Au$125 on JQ & Au$140 on QF. All QF tickets include checked luggage. JQ headline fare does not include checked bags (or food & water).

2.Simple at MEL. T2 to T1 is few minutes walk and up 1 level

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Old Oct 21, 2019, 11:28 am
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[QUOTE=JJeffrey;31651556]1. If the MEL-HBA flight is available as an award, then just call AA and ask to add it onto your exiting LAX-MEL flight. A good agent will be able to do this without affecting your existing LAX-MEL flight. You would be charged the $150 fee for changing destinations (if not EXP), but no extra miles would be required, and everything would be on the same PNR. Other than that, there is no way to combine or link separate PNR's.

JJeffrey, this would be great, if it is possible. It's the same number of miles to either MEL or HBA, but no award availability showed up mapped all the way through LAX-HBA for my current departure date. Nervous AA would muck this up. My LAX-MEL F Award appears to be a unicorn I'll never see again in this lifetime!
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Old Oct 21, 2019, 11:31 am
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Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
1. A MEL HBA could/should be less than US$150/Au$218 one way. For a random date in February I see Au$125 on JQ & Au$140 on QF. All QF tickets include checked luggage. JQ headline fare does not include checked bags (or food & water).

2.Simple at MEL. T2 to T1 is few minutes walk and up 1 level

You know, I was carelessly thinking (or not thinking) I was looking at USD $$$. I might not have been. Checking..... THANKS!
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Old Oct 21, 2019, 11:41 am
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You know, I was carelessly thinking (or not thinking) I was looking at USD $$$. I might not have been. Checking..... THANKS!
Check what screen QF is showing you, You want(need) /au/
https://www. qantas.com/au/en.html
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Old Oct 21, 2019, 11:54 am
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Just confirmed, the prices are AU. Looking specifically at February 20-22. On the 1245pm flight, 2/20 is $175 coach, and 2/21 is $252 coach. There are some lower $140 coach flights, but $35 isn't worth waiting longer for a flight if I connect at the airport, or picking a less desirable flight time for. Every business ticket over the 3 day period is $826 though. Which I'd much rather fly. But trying to keep costs for an expensive trip in perspective, it's only a 1.5 hour flight.
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