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Old Dec 30, 2023 | 1:03 pm
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Is refundable to Europe really 100% refundable?

I see AA offers refundable fares. Are these really 100% refundable or is there a catch? When searching for flights you can check a box for refundable, so these are the fares I am talking about. I see they offer refundable flights to Europe. Where I live there are no direct flights to Europe, so this would start in USA, fly to another USA city and then fly to Europe from the connecting city. And when I search after selecting refundable, the results say " Please note connection time, Overnight flight or connection, The class of service you searched may not be available on one or more flights"

What does that mean? But if I go to check out, the final page says "refundable" on ticket purchase...

I am still worried there is some type of "catch" and if I need to refund these tickets, I won't get a refund, or will end up with a partial refund due to all kinds of hidden fees and rules etc... Thoughts?
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I learned the hard way 100% as a cried but for a refund there are still fees most of the fares. double check though and call and ask them
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Old Dec 30, 2023 | 5:49 pm
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I learned the hard way 100% as a cried but for a refund there are still fees most of the fares. double check though and call and ask them
agree with this except for "call and ask" -- phone agent conjurings and surmisings won't help you if you don't get a refund

look at the actual fare rules, save them, rely on those only
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Old Dec 31, 2023 | 12:26 am
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AA many years ago quietly removed the REFUNDABLE online radio button and replaced it with FULLY FLEXIBLE online button and yes I have had penalty amounts in the past as high as $600 for a FULLY FLEXIBLE ticket refund.. So be careful or figure out how to read those fare rules. Almost no one but a few people on flyertalk have that skillset to understand the fare rules that are a hidden link on the very last online page . Good luck and be careful or call AA and have them verify and mark up your PNR with notes.
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Old Dec 31, 2023 | 7:23 am
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Just because the last segment is in different class does not mean the fare is not fully refundable. That has nothing to do with refundability. As long as the fare says "Cancellations Permitted" in the Penalties section of fare rules and there are no cancel fees listed in Penalties section, the fares are fully refundable with no fee for refund no matter what booking class you are getting on last hop. Just did a spot check on ex-US to EU refundable fares on EF (fare basis code will end in a 9) and none had a fee for refund. When you buy a roundtrip to EU from US, you are getting ex-US fare filings in both directions. Fully flexible fares are just refundable fares with no advance purchase requirements. There's no need to upfare to these if you just want the option to fully refund before flight.
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Old Dec 31, 2023 | 8:35 am
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Originally Posted by xliioper
Just because the last segment is in different class does not mean the fare is not fully refundable. That has nothing to do with refundability. As long as the fare says "Cancellations Permitted" in the Penalties section of fare rules and there are no cancel fees listed in Penalties section, the fares are fully refundable with no fee for refund no matter what booking class you are getting on last hop. Just did a spot check on ex-US to EU refundable fares on EF (fare basis code will end in a 9) and none had a fee for refund. When you buy a roundtrip to EU from US, you are getting ex-US fare filings in both directions. Fully flexible fares are just refundable fares with no advance purchase requirements. There's no need to upfare to these if you just want the option to fully refund before flight.
Where do I find all the cancellation information? As I am checking out on the side, it says this "
Good value with benefits
  • Changes or refunds allowed
  • Choose your seat at no charge (fee may apply for Preferred, Main Cabin Extra or flights operated by another airline)
  • General boarding
  • Eligible for upgrades on American flights
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Originally Posted by redfrog
Where do I find all the cancellation information? As I am checking out on the side, it says this "
Good value with benefits
  • Changes or refunds allowed
  • Choose your seat at no charge (fee may apply for Preferred, Main Cabin Extra or flights operated by another airline)
  • General boarding
  • Eligible for upgrades on American flights
It is in the Penalties section of the fare rules which you can find linked on the final page before payment on aa.com. They are also available on ExpertFlyer if you have an account there. Fully refundable fares with no fees will say "CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED FOR CANCEL/NO-SHOW/REFUND" in the Penalties section as below. Non-refundable fares will say "CANCELLATIONS ANY TIME TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE IN CASE OF CANCEL/NO-SHOW/ REFUND". Fares that can be refunded for a fee will say "CANCELLATIONS BEFORE DEPARTURE CHARGE USD XXX.00/CAD XXX.00 FOR CANCEL/NO-SHOW/ REFUND. " The only fares that AA currently markets as "Refundable" for ex-US fares are the first type which can be fully refunded with no fees. These will have a 9 in the last letter of the fare basis code.












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AA could solve this problem by bringing back their online radio button for purchasing tickets that say REFUNDABLE
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Old Dec 31, 2023 | 12:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Centurion
AA could solve this problem by bringing back their online radio button for purchasing tickets that say REFUNDABLE
But then they wouldn't get to keep hundreds of dollars from people who don't realize that their refund didn't produce full refunds.
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Old Dec 31, 2023 | 1:13 pm
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So based on what was posted earlier, it seems these are actually 100% refundable (both end in 9 as well): thoughts?

Seasonality

SEASONALITY - FROM UNITED STATES - PERMITTED 09MAR THROUGH 14MAY OR 09JUL THROUGH 27AUG OR 01SEP THROUGH 29OCT OR 21NOV THROUGH 23NOV OR 14DEC THROUGH 16DEC OR ON 23DEC FOR EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR. SEASON IS BASED ON TRIP DATE. TO UNITED STATES - PERMITTED 16MAR THROUGH 22MAY OR 19AUG THROUGH 31OCT OR 30NOV THROUGH 01DEC OR 26DEC THROUGH 31DEC OR 06JAN THROUGH 08JAN FOR EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR. SEASON IS BASED ON TRIP DATE.

Day Time Application

DAY/TIME - FROM UNITED STATES - PERMITTED THU THROUGH SAT ON EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR. TO UNITED STATES - PERMITTED SAT THROUGH MON ON EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.

Advance Reservation Ticketing Restrictions

ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING - CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE REQUIRED AT LEAST 50 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE. WAITLIST AND STANDBY NOT PERMITTED. TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 3 DAYS AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 50 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER.

Surcharges

SURCHARGES - IF INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2. OR - CONTRACT BULK INFANT PSGR UNDER 2. OR - MILITARY INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT UNDER 2. OR - INCLUSIVE TOUR INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2. THERE IS NO MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE PER ANY PASSENGER. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. SURCHARGES DO NOT APPLY TO INFANT PASSENGERS NOT OCCUPYING A SEAT. THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR AY. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR BA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR IB. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR JL. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR QF. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR QR. THERE IS NO MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE PER ANY PASSENGER. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. YR FEE MAY APPLY OTHERWISE MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 205.00 PER FARE COMPONENT WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER FOR DEPARTURE OF TRANSATLANTIC SECTORS. AND - ORIGINATING EUROPE - MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF EUR 130.00 PER FARE COMPONENT WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER FOR DEPARTURE OF TRANSATLANTIC SECTORS.

Maximum Stay

MAXIMUM STAY - TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN MIDNIGHT 12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.

Eligibility

ELIGIBILITY - NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

Sales Restrictions

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VOLUNTARY CHANGES - ENTER RD*31 OR RD'LINE NUM'*31 FOR VOLUNTARY CHGS.

Flight Applications

FLIGHT APPLICATION - IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN AREA 1 THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AS ANY AS FLIGHT OPERATED BY AS. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA. AND IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN AREA 2 THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB. IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN EUROPE THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT. AND IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN NORTH AMERICA THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB. IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN EUROPE THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY EI ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY VY ANY AY FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA ANY AY FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY ANY AY FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA ANY AY FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB ANY EI FLIGHT OPERATED BY EI ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB ANY VY FLIGHT OPERATED BY VY. AND IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN NORTH AMERICA THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB. IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN AREA 1 THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA. AND IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN GREECE THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY A3 ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY OA ANY A3 FLIGHT OPERATED BY A3 ANY A3 FLIGHT OPERATED BY OA ANY OA FLIGHT OPERATED BY A3 ANY OA FLIGHT OPERATED BY OA ANY GQ FLIGHT OPERATED BY GQ. AND IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN AREA 2 THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA.

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PENALTIES - CANCELLATIONS CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED FOR CANCEL/NO-SHOW/REFUND. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. IN THE CASE OF THE DEATH OF THE PASSENGER/ OR A TRAVELING COMPANION/THE SERVICE CHARGE MAY BE WAIVED OR THE TICKET REFUNDED. VISIT AA.COM FOR DETAILS. ------------------------------------------------ FOR TRAVEL AGENCY BOOKINGS MADE IN MEXICO / THE CARIBBEAN / CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA - AA WILL ASSESS A USD 50.00 FEE ON ANY UNTICKETED RESERVATION NOT CANCELLED BEFORE DEPARTURE. ------------------------------------------------ BEFORE DEPARTURE REFUND IS PERMITTED. IF PASSENGER FAILS TO CANCEL BEFORE ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FLIGHT THE TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE. AFTER DEPARTURE THE TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE. ------------------------------------------------ WHEN COMBINING FARES THAT HAVE CANCELLATION FEES THE HIGHEST CANCELLATION FEE OF EACH CANCELLED PRICING UNIT APPLIES -WITH THE FOLLOWING EXCEPTION- WHEN COMBINING A REFUNDABLE FARE WITH A NON- REFUNDABLE FARE THE ENTIRE PRICING UNIT WILL BE NON-REFUNDABLE. ------------------------------------------------ THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE FEE AMOUNT REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE. REFUND PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDTY. ------------------------------------------------ INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. CHILD DISCOUNTS DO NOT APPLY. CHANGES BEFORE DEPARTURE CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. A CHANGE IS A ROUTING / OR DATE / OR FLIGHT MODIFICATION. CHANGE IS PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY OF ORIGINAL TICKET. TICKETS MUST BE REISSUED FOR ALL VOLUNTARY CHANGES. -------------------------------------------------- WHERE THIS FARE IS COMBINED WITH ANOTHER FARE THE PENALTY CONDITIONS OF THE CHANGED FARE COMPONENT WILL APPLY. -------------------------------------------------- CALCULATION OF REISSUES //CHANGES BEFORE OUTBOUND DEPARTURE// WHEN THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED. ----- WHEN THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT BUT OTHER FARE COMPONENTS ARE CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF TICKET REISSUE WHICHEVER IS LOWER. -------------------------------------------------- //CHANGES AFTER DEPARTURE// THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE. ----- WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE COLLECTED. ----- WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE A REFUND OF THE RESIDUAL AMOUNT LESS THE APPLICABLE PENALTY WILL BE MADE. ----- REISSUES/EXCHANGES NOT ALLOWED TO EOU/ERU FARE TYPES. AFTER DEPARTURE CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. A CHANGE IS A ROUTING / OR DATE / OR FLIGHT MODIFICATION. CHANGE IS PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY OF ORIGINAL TICKET. TICKETS MUST BE REISSUED FOR ALL VOLUNTARY CHANGES. -------------------------------------------------- WHERE THIS FARE IS COMBINED WITH ANOTHER FARE THE PENALTY CONDITIONS OF THE CHANGED FARE COMPONENT WILL APPLY. -------------------------------------------------- CALCULATION OF REISSUES //CHANGES BEFORE OUTBOUND DEPARTURE// WHEN THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED. ----- WHEN THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT BUT OTHER FARE COMPONENTS ARE CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF TICKET REISSUE WHICHEVER IS LOWER. -------------------------------------------------- //CHANGES AFTER DEPARTURE// THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE. ----- WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE COLLECTED. ----- WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE NO REFUND WILL BE MADE HOWEVER THE DIFFERENCE IN FARE WILL BE RETURNED TO THE PASSENGER IN THE FORM OF A NONREFUNDABLE TRAVEL VOUCHER WHICH MAY BE APPLIED TOWARDS THE PURCHASE OF A TICKET VALID FOR TRANSPORTATION GOVERNED BY AA. ----- REISSUES/EXCHANGES NOT ALLOWED TO EOU/ERU FARE TYPES.

Rule Application and Other Conditions

RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS - NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. PREMIUM ECONOMY/ECONOMY CLASS TRANSATLANTIC FARES APPLICATION CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY/PREMIUM ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE. TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS. THE TICKET IS INVALID IF FLIGHT COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN SEQUENCE. FARE DOES NOT APPLY FOR REFUND CALCULATION AFTER TRAVEL AT A HIGHER FARE. PASSENGER EXPENSES NOT ABSORBED BY CARRIER. CAPACITY LIMITATIONS THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS, WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIERS BEST JUDGEMENT.

and the other flight:

Seasonality

SEASONALITY - FROM UNITED STATES - PERMITTED 15MAY THROUGH 08JUL OR 28AUG THROUGH 31AUG OR 17DEC THROUGH 22DEC FOR EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR. SEASON IS BASED ON TRIP DATE. TO UNITED STATES - PERMITTED 23MAY THROUGH 18AUG OR 01JAN THROUGH 05JAN FOR EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR. SEASON IS BASED ON TRIP DATE.

Day Time Application

DAY/TIME - FROM UNITED STATES - PERMITTED THU THROUGH SAT ON EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR. TO UNITED STATES - PERMITTED SAT THROUGH MON ON EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.

Advance Reservation Ticketing Restrictions

ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING - CONFIRMED RESERVATIONS FOR ALL SECTORS ARE REQUIRED AT LEAST 50 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE. WAITLIST AND STANDBY NOT PERMITTED. TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 3 DAYS AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 50 DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER.

Surcharges

SURCHARGES - IF INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2. OR - CONTRACT BULK INFANT PSGR UNDER 2. OR - MILITARY INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT UNDER 2. OR - INCLUSIVE TOUR INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2. THERE IS NO MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE PER ANY PASSENGER. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. SURCHARGES DO NOT APPLY TO INFANT PASSENGERS NOT OCCUPYING A SEAT. THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR AY. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR BA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR IB. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR JL. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR QF. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA OR QR. THERE IS NO MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE PER ANY PASSENGER. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. YR FEE MAY APPLY OTHERWISE - ORIGINATING UNITED STATES - MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 275.00 PER FARE COMPONENT WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER FOR DEPARTURE OF TRANSATLANTIC SECTORS. AND - ORIGINATING EUROPE - MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF EUR 130.00 PER FARE COMPONENT WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER FOR DEPARTURE OF TRANSATLANTIC SECTORS.

Maximum Stay

MAXIMUM STAY - TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN MIDNIGHT 12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.

Eligibility

ELIGIBILITY - NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.

Sales Restrictions

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

Refunds Reissues

VOLUNTARY CHANGES - ENTER RD*31 OR RD'LINE NUM'*31 FOR VOLUNTARY CHGS.

Flight Applications

FLIGHT APPLICATION - IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN AREA 1 THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AS ANY AS FLIGHT OPERATED BY AS. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA. AND IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN AREA 2 THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB. IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN EUROPE THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT. AND IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN NORTH AMERICA THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB. IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN EUROPE THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY EI ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY VY ANY AY FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA ANY AY FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY ANY AY FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA ANY AY FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA ANY BA FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB ANY EI FLIGHT OPERATED BY EI ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA ANY IB FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB ANY VY FLIGHT OPERATED BY VY. AND IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN NORTH AMERICA THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AY ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY BA ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY IB. IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN AREA 1 THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA. AND IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN GREECE THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY A3 ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY OA ANY A3 FLIGHT OPERATED BY A3 ANY A3 FLIGHT OPERATED BY OA ANY OA FLIGHT OPERATED BY A3 ANY OA FLIGHT OPERATED BY OA ANY GQ FLIGHT OPERATED BY GQ. AND IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN AREA 2 THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AA FLIGHT OPERATED BY AA.

Minimum Stay

MINIMUM STAY - TRAVEL FROM INBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN 14 DAYS AFTER DEPARTURE OF THE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.

Embargo Dates

BLACKOUT DATES - NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.

Penalties

PENALTIES - CANCELLATIONS CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED FOR CANCEL/NO-SHOW/REFUND. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. IN THE CASE OF THE DEATH OF THE PASSENGER/ OR A TRAVELING COMPANION/THE SERVICE CHARGE MAY BE WAIVED OR THE TICKET REFUNDED. VISIT AA.COM FOR DETAILS. ------------------------------------------------ FOR TRAVEL AGENCY BOOKINGS MADE IN MEXICO / THE CARIBBEAN / CENTRAL AND SOUTH AMERICA - AA WILL ASSESS A USD 50.00 FEE ON ANY UNTICKETED RESERVATION NOT CANCELLED BEFORE DEPARTURE. ------------------------------------------------ BEFORE DEPARTURE REFUND IS PERMITTED. IF PASSENGER FAILS TO CANCEL BEFORE ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FLIGHT THE TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE. AFTER DEPARTURE THE TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE. ------------------------------------------------ WHEN COMBINING FARES THAT HAVE CANCELLATION FEES THE HIGHEST CANCELLATION FEE OF EACH CANCELLED PRICING UNIT APPLIES -WITH THE FOLLOWING EXCEPTION- WHEN COMBINING A REFUNDABLE FARE WITH A NON- REFUNDABLE FARE THE ENTIRE PRICING UNIT WILL BE NON-REFUNDABLE. ------------------------------------------------ THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE FEE AMOUNT REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE. REFUND PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDTY. ------------------------------------------------ INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY. CHILD DISCOUNTS DO NOT APPLY. CHANGES BEFORE DEPARTURE CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. A CHANGE IS A ROUTING / OR DATE / OR FLIGHT MODIFICATION. CHANGE IS PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY OF ORIGINAL TICKET. TICKETS MUST BE REISSUED FOR ALL VOLUNTARY CHANGES. -------------------------------------------------- WHERE THIS FARE IS COMBINED WITH ANOTHER FARE THE PENALTY CONDITIONS OF THE CHANGED FARE COMPONENT WILL APPLY. -------------------------------------------------- CALCULATION OF REISSUES //CHANGES BEFORE OUTBOUND DEPARTURE// WHEN THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED. ----- WHEN THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT BUT OTHER FARE COMPONENTS ARE CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF TICKET REISSUE WHICHEVER IS LOWER. -------------------------------------------------- //CHANGES AFTER DEPARTURE// THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE. ----- WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE COLLECTED. ----- WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE A REFUND OF THE RESIDUAL AMOUNT LESS THE APPLICABLE PENALTY WILL BE MADE. ----- REISSUES/EXCHANGES NOT ALLOWED TO EOU/ERU FARE TYPES. AFTER DEPARTURE CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION. NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. A CHANGE IS A ROUTING / OR DATE / OR FLIGHT MODIFICATION. CHANGE IS PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY OF ORIGINAL TICKET. TICKETS MUST BE REISSUED FOR ALL VOLUNTARY CHANGES. -------------------------------------------------- WHERE THIS FARE IS COMBINED WITH ANOTHER FARE THE PENALTY CONDITIONS OF THE CHANGED FARE COMPONENT WILL APPLY. -------------------------------------------------- CALCULATION OF REISSUES //CHANGES BEFORE OUTBOUND DEPARTURE// WHEN THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED. ----- WHEN THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT BUT OTHER FARE COMPONENTS ARE CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE OF TICKET REISSUE WHICHEVER IS LOWER. -------------------------------------------------- //CHANGES AFTER DEPARTURE// THE ITINERARY MUST BE REPRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE. ----- WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE COLLECTED. ----- WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE NO REFUND WILL BE MADE HOWEVER THE DIFFERENCE IN FARE WILL BE RETURNED TO THE PASSENGER IN THE FORM OF A NONREFUNDABLE TRAVEL VOUCHER WHICH MAY BE APPLIED TOWARDS THE PURCHASE OF A TICKET VALID FOR TRANSPORTATION GOVERNED BY AA. ----- REISSUES/EXCHANGES NOT ALLOWED TO EOU/ERU FARE TYPES.

Rule Application and Other Conditions

RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS - NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. PREMIUM ECONOMY/ECONOMY CLASS TRANSATLANTIC FARES APPLICATION CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY/PREMIUM ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE. TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS. THE TICKET IS INVALID IF FLIGHT COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN SEQUENCE. FARE DOES NOT APPLY FOR REFUND CALCULATION AFTER TRAVEL AT A HIGHER FARE. PASSENGER EXPENSES NOT ABSORBED BY CARRIER. CAPACITY LIMITATIONS THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS, WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIERS BEST JUDGEMENT.
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Old Dec 31, 2023 | 1:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Centurion
AA could solve this problem by bringing back their online radio button for purchasing tickets that say REFUNDABLE
What is the difference between a radio button and this toggle?

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Originally Posted by redfrog

So based on what was posted earlier, it seems these are actually 100% refundable (both end in 9 as well): thoughts?

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PENALTIES - CANCELLATIONS CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED FOR CANCEL/NO-SHOW/REFUND.
Correct. The "Cancellations Permitted" text in the Penalties section as above is what indicates refundability and it's all you need to focus on. It's simply airline speak for refundable fares (all airlines use the same "Cancellations Permitted" wording). You won't actually find the words "Refundable" in their fare rule text. It is what it is.
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Old Dec 31, 2023 | 1:22 pm
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Originally Posted by xliioper
Correct. The "Cancellations Permitted" text in the Penalties section as above is what indicates refundability and it's all you need to focus on. It's simply airline speak for refundable fares (all airlines use the "Cancellations Permited" wording). You won't actually find the words "Refundable" in the fare text. It is what it is.
So all airlines would use this? If I searched UA for example, wording should be the same regarding cancellations?
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Old Dec 31, 2023 | 3:39 pm
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Did AA.com make changes? I am 99% sure those options were not available when I booked flights. Yes those are Toggle /Radio buttons. Also AA.com has added Refundable to the select menu when you pick the search option page. And congratulations on finding the hidden fare rule link and able to read them. You are one of the few people on Flyertalk with this knowledge.




Originally Posted by xliioper
What is the difference between a radio button and this toggle.


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Originally Posted by redfrog
So all airlines would use this? If I searched UA for example, wording should be the same regarding cancellations?
Yes, they all use Cancellations Permitted language in Penalties section for refundable fares. Looking at United fare rules, they also mention refundability in the Ticket Endorsements section as below. AA/DL fares just say "Ticket Endorsement not Required" and do not mention refundability here.

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