Number of EXP
#16




Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: LAX oriented World Digital Nomad
Programs: AA Exec Plat, Hyatt Globalist, MLife/Cosmo Identity Gold, Other Vegas too...
Posts: 1,466
This is a question that is very hard to gauge and is skewed by individual observations. Ive been very, very successful on my upgrades this year - although it has been a close call on a few flights. I do fly a mix of routes (business/leisure), and typically out of DCA or paid F. Thinking back this year, my widest miss was IIRC SJU-MIA where I was probably #6 on the list.
Many others I've either made it at some point in the upgrade window or was #1 on the list.
My LPs are in the low 200,000 range for the year.
Many others I've either made it at some point in the upgrade window or was #1 on the list.
My LPs are in the low 200,000 range for the year.
#17




Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: CLT
Programs: AA EXP, 2 Million Miler
Posts: 866
I havent been on this site for a very long time. I came to understand the experiences of the forum.
Of late I am seeing a ton of EXPs and Group 1s on flights I am taking. I recently flew following segments with over 50 EXPs
- BOS to ORD
- BOS to DFW
- DFW to SAT
- DFW to BOS
- DFW to ORD
I have over 350K loyalty points this year and I was surprised to see myself #30 or higher on the Upgrade wait list.
What are you seeing?
Of late I am seeing a ton of EXPs and Group 1s on flights I am taking. I recently flew following segments with over 50 EXPs
- BOS to ORD
- BOS to DFW
- DFW to SAT
- DFW to BOS
- DFW to ORD
I have over 350K loyalty points this year and I was surprised to see myself #30 or higher on the Upgrade wait list.
What are you seeing?
#18




Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: SDF/TLV/ATL
Programs: AA EXP, UA LT Ag, Marriott LT Ti, Hyatt Glob, Avis PC, Busted-Knuckles Club.
Posts: 3,023
This is a question that is very hard to gauge and is skewed by individual observations. Ive been very, very successful on my upgrades this year - although it has been a close call on a few flights. I do fly a mix of routes (business/leisure), and typically out of DCA or paid F. Thinking back this year, my widest miss was IIRC SJU-MIA where I was probably #6 on the list.
Many others I've either made it at some point in the upgrade window or was #1 on the list.
My LPs are in the low 200,000 range for the year.
Many others I've either made it at some point in the upgrade window or was #1 on the list.
My LPs are in the low 200,000 range for the year.
#19




Join Date: Jul 2021
Location: Airport Lounges (Usually in ORD and LHR)
Programs: AA EXP 1MM, AY Gold, QR Gold, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 3,715
This is a question that is very hard to gauge and is skewed by individual observations. Ive been very, very successful on my upgrades this year - although it has been a close call on a few flights. I do fly a mix of routes (business/leisure), and typically out of DCA or paid F. Thinking back this year, my widest miss was IIRC SJU-MIA where I was probably #6 on the list.
Many others I've either made it at some point in the upgrade window or was #1 on the list.
My LPs are in the low 200,000 range for the year.
Many others I've either made it at some point in the upgrade window or was #1 on the list.
My LPs are in the low 200,000 range for the year.
I have noticed my upgrade rate decreasing slightly (I don't know how many rolling LPs (If there's a way to look it up I'd love to know), but I have just shy of 300k since March 1st), but that's when I'm flying on more business heavy days/routes, I have no problem clearing on most routes that I fly, as long as I basically avoid DFW-LAX/MIA, as well as LGA when on 319s (and 319s in general).
I'm not sure on the specific number of EXPs that are out there, and I don't even want to hazard a guess, but It's definitely skewed in terms of how often people fly. Obviously one can achieve EXP now without stepping foot on a plane, and there was a whole thread here on not meeting the 30 or so segment requirement for the choice rewards, and then there's the opposite end - I'm at ~225 flights so far this year (starting Jan 1), with about 150 on AA and another 50 on OW carriers, so I've been able to somewhat tune my flying to avoid flights where I probably won't get upgraded and pick flights that are less popular for elites.
#20




Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: MIA, VIE and DPS
Programs: DL Plat 1MM, AA EXP 3MM, SQ Krisflyer Gold, UA Silver, Marriott LTT, HH Gold
Posts: 1,143
The highest I have been this year was #9 on MIA-LHR with a SWU - that was a little ego shattering ;-) - about 290K LPs.
I don't think I have been higher than 3 or 4 on a domestic flight - but i am not the typical road warrior.
I don't think I have been higher than 3 or 4 on a domestic flight - but i am not the typical road warrior.
#21
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 10,906
#30 for an EXP just seems insane, and doesn't seem to match the experience of others. This is doubly true since it's not just a one-time thing. I wonder if there's something wrong here... status not correct in the system or something.
#22
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: KHOU/KIAH
Programs: AA EXP | Marriott LT Plat | Hyatt Explorist
Posts: 13,296
It could also be a freak flight. I've been on a DFW-LHR with 60 EXPs and 20 CKs onboard, including 9 CKs in Y. FA showed me the tablet.
#23




Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: DCA/IAD
Programs: AA EXP; 1W Emerald; HHonors Diamond; Marriott Gold; UA dirt
Posts: 8,962
It seems that some people earn their chops on "marquee" routes, and some people earn in by chopping their way through underbrush. DFW-LHR and JFK-LHR and LAX-MIA feel pretty marquee. DCA-CHS and DFW-LRD feel a lot less so.
#24


Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Stilllwater OK (SWO)
Programs: AAdvantage Plat Pro, World of Hyatt Globalist, plain "member" of Marriott, IHG, enterprise, etc.
Posts: 2,000
I never seem to upgrade DFW-BOS. Last summer I was close on BOS-DFW on a Friday evening flight but I got screwed over because I had a companion and they only released 1 seat at a time up till gate control (when only 1 seat remained). From T-100 till T-24, I saw 5 open F seats slowly disappear 1 at a time, and then at T-24 I could see I and companion were # 1 and 2, but from T-24 till gate control, I saw the #3 disappear on the list three different times whenever an F seat opened up and then disappeared -- I was perhaps a little obsessed that morning watching it so closely, but I am a bit peaved on how AA's system keeps filling 1 seat at a time. In hindsight, my upgrade chances with a companion are near nothing (happened once? DFW-SEA in Fall of 2020) but my upgrades traveling solo the last 2 years has been about 50%. Always going through DFW, but usually I travel at non-elite-peak times. Anyways, side-story - but I find the companion upgrade perk to be trash, I haven't even gotten domestic upgrades on SWUs when I have a companion if it wasn't cleared at booking -- Companions really just likely ruins your own upgrade.
#26


Join Date: Apr 2023
Location: DFW
Programs: AA CK, 4 MM Miler, Hyatt Globalist, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Platinum Elite, Avis President's Club
Posts: 76
#27
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: AUS, GVA, and in between
Programs: AA EXP
Posts: 180
In the last month, specifically, my upgrade rate has fallen off a cliff - flights where I used to get upgrades days before departure are now ones where I am the highest non-upgraded person all the time...
(I don't think my rolling Loyalty Points suddenly dropped, I'm pretty much on the same track that I was last year.)
(I don't think my rolling Loyalty Points suddenly dropped, I'm pretty much on the same track that I was last year.)
#28




Join Date: Dec 2022
Posts: 590
Question within a question - I'm curious how many LP your average EXP will requalify with. New thread? Post here?
I'll probably nudge 300k with my planned travel. Probably 60-70% of that through flying and the rest through hotel bonuses and CC spend.
I'll probably nudge 300k with my planned travel. Probably 60-70% of that through flying and the rest through hotel bonuses and CC spend.
#29




Join Date: Jul 2021
Location: Airport Lounges (Usually in ORD and LHR)
Programs: AA EXP 1MM, AY Gold, QR Gold, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 3,715
I'm averaging just under 40k/mo, and I typically use my points/miles in Jan/Feb, so I'm aiming to squeak past the 400k mark for the additional rewards. Then stop applying WD40 to the hamster wheel and cut back on travel. I know the grass isn't greener on the other side but shifting some travel to UA (being in ORD) seems enticing given I've still got some years left in me and the lackluster Million Miler program on AA's side.
#30


Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: New York, NY
Programs: AA ExPl, BA Gold, DL Gold, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Lifetime Platinum, probably some others
Posts: 4,946
I havent been on this site for a very long time. I came to understand the experiences of the forum.
Of late I am seeing a ton of EXPs and Group 1s on flights I am taking. I recently flew following segments with over 50 EXPs
- BOS to ORD
- BOS to DFW
- DFW to SAT
- DFW to BOS
- DFW to ORD
I have over 350K loyalty points this year and I was surprised to see myself #30 or higher on the Upgrade wait list.
What are you seeing?
Of late I am seeing a ton of EXPs and Group 1s on flights I am taking. I recently flew following segments with over 50 EXPs
- BOS to ORD
- BOS to DFW
- DFW to SAT
- DFW to BOS
- DFW to ORD
I have over 350K loyalty points this year and I was surprised to see myself #30 or higher on the Upgrade wait list.
What are you seeing?

