AAdvantage program changes rumored Oct 2021
#211

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I'm 80 and got AA lifetime Gold decades ago. It has since lost all value. I can't imagine what else they can eliminate.
#212




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As I understand it on AA rewards --
1. If you have a web fare reward - you can not change it - data/time/routing/etc. You must redeposit and rebook based on the current mileages.
2. If you have a non-web fare reward - you can make changes within the parameters.
Of AA rewards - I find it is best to book two one-ways - then you can change one without impacting the other. And for now there are no change or cancellation fees.
Please correct me if my thinking is off.
1. If you have a web fare reward - you can not change it - data/time/routing/etc. You must redeposit and rebook based on the current mileages.
2. If you have a non-web fare reward - you can make changes within the parameters.
Of AA rewards - I find it is best to book two one-ways - then you can change one without impacting the other. And for now there are no change or cancellation fees.
Please correct me if my thinking is off.
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As I understand it on AA rewards --
1. If you have a web fare reward - you can not change it - data/time/routing/etc. You must redeposit and rebook based on the current mileages.
2. If you have a non-web fare reward - you can make changes within the parameters.
Of AA rewards - I find it is best to book two one-ways - then you can change one without impacting the other. And for now there are no change or cancellation fees.
Please correct me if my thinking is off.
1. If you have a web fare reward - you can not change it - data/time/routing/etc. You must redeposit and rebook based on the current mileages.
2. If you have a non-web fare reward - you can make changes within the parameters.
Of AA rewards - I find it is best to book two one-ways - then you can change one without impacting the other. And for now there are no change or cancellation fees.
Please correct me if my thinking is off.
#214




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I have an admittedly noob question for those more experienced please.
If I make a speculative booking for a route I know I want to fly in the future, will I be able to change date/time without repricing the award post devaluation?
My own example is flying Finnair J (57.5K AA) from HEL to N. America in late May, early June 2022. My understanding is that AY doesn't release J space to partners until 60 days out, hence making a booking for the mentioned dates would mean search starting late March/early April, which would be post devaluation.
I read this article from FM: https://frequentmiler.com/spending-5...nge_them_later
"Can we lock in awards now and change them later?
If you have the AA miles and you know now where you want to fly, and if you can find available awards, then it makes sense to simply book what you need now in order to lock in the current pricing.
I think theres a reasonably good chance that this will work. View from the Wing explored this question the last time there was a major devaluation (in 2016) and he reported at that time that the following changes would be possible post-devaluation:
- You can change date and time without repricing the award, while keeping airlines and routing constant.
- You can change routing without repricing the award, while keeping the airlines constant, with a few caveats. Basically you cannot break the fare. You cannot add a stopover. Youre going to have to stick with a legal routing for the primary carrier on the itinerary.
- You cannot change award types, which means you cant go from American only to flying partners. You cant go from extra mileage award to saver award without a redeposit of miles and re-issue.
Basically, if things stay the same as with the last devaluation, we should be able to change travel dates and make minor routing changes as long as we keep the flown airline the same."
The above argues that it is likely that I can book AY J for some future random date with availability, then change to my desired dates come late March/early April 2022 for the dates that I DO want, WITHOUT it repricing. Worst case if not I can simply cancel for free. Does that make sense?
Appreciate any input
If I make a speculative booking for a route I know I want to fly in the future, will I be able to change date/time without repricing the award post devaluation?
My own example is flying Finnair J (57.5K AA) from HEL to N. America in late May, early June 2022. My understanding is that AY doesn't release J space to partners until 60 days out, hence making a booking for the mentioned dates would mean search starting late March/early April, which would be post devaluation.
I read this article from FM: https://frequentmiler.com/spending-5...nge_them_later
"Can we lock in awards now and change them later?
If you have the AA miles and you know now where you want to fly, and if you can find available awards, then it makes sense to simply book what you need now in order to lock in the current pricing.
I think theres a reasonably good chance that this will work. View from the Wing explored this question the last time there was a major devaluation (in 2016) and he reported at that time that the following changes would be possible post-devaluation:
- You can change date and time without repricing the award, while keeping airlines and routing constant.
- You can change routing without repricing the award, while keeping the airlines constant, with a few caveats. Basically you cannot break the fare. You cannot add a stopover. Youre going to have to stick with a legal routing for the primary carrier on the itinerary.
- You cannot change award types, which means you cant go from American only to flying partners. You cant go from extra mileage award to saver award without a redeposit of miles and re-issue.
Basically, if things stay the same as with the last devaluation, we should be able to change travel dates and make minor routing changes as long as we keep the flown airline the same."
The above argues that it is likely that I can book AY J for some future random date with availability, then change to my desired dates come late March/early April 2022 for the dates that I DO want, WITHOUT it repricing. Worst case if not I can simply cancel for free. Does that make sense?
Appreciate any input

You can change routing without repricing the award, while keeping the airlines constant, with a few caveats. Basically you cannot break the fare. You cannot add a stopover. Youre going to have to stick with a legal routing for the primary carrier on the itinerary.
Not sure how I understand how this would work, once it's no longer a 1-1 on the route, because the mileage available later would likely not be the same, or what qualifies as a "minor route change".
#215



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Can I ask -- could anyone please elaborate a bit more on what this might mean --- maybe with an example or two of what might be allowable and what might not, if consistent with the last devaluation?
You can change routing without repricing the award, while keeping the airlines constant, with a few caveats. Basically you cannot break the fare. You cannot add a stopover. Youre going to have to stick with a legal routing for the primary carrier on the itinerary.
Not sure how I understand how this would work, once it's no longer a 1-1 on the route, because the mileage available later would likely not be the same, or what qualifies as a "minor route change".
You can change routing without repricing the award, while keeping the airlines constant, with a few caveats. Basically you cannot break the fare. You cannot add a stopover. Youre going to have to stick with a legal routing for the primary carrier on the itinerary.
Not sure how I understand how this would work, once it's no longer a 1-1 on the route, because the mileage available later would likely not be the same, or what qualifies as a "minor route change".
#216




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Looks like some major partner schedule changes are going to wipe out most of my award bookings. Qatar seemed hit particularly hard with only options offered being to find new inventory (which for popular times is now impossible). Sadness.
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Any updates or new "rumors?" Things seem ominously quiet.
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The majority of my speculative bookings include Qatar. Over the past two months I've had four (of four) QR award ticket schedule changes tank badly enough, that the only viable option was canceling, adjusting dates, and starting over. Even for things that seemed like they should be easy, AA strangely struggled to fix. But either AA has huge swaths of time blocked to awards for next year, or QR isn't making them available, and each time this happens its increasingly difficult to find alternate selections. Ironically I'm working on the latest (#5) right now.
#220

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I have an admittedly noob question for those more experienced please.
If I make a speculative booking for a route I know I want to fly in the future, will I be able to change date/time without repricing the award post devaluation?
My own example is flying Finnair J (57.5K AA) from HEL to N. America in late May, early June 2022. My understanding is that AY doesn't release J space to partners until 60 days out, hence making a booking for the mentioned dates would mean search starting late March/early April, which would be post devaluation.
If I make a speculative booking for a route I know I want to fly in the future, will I be able to change date/time without repricing the award post devaluation?
My own example is flying Finnair J (57.5K AA) from HEL to N. America in late May, early June 2022. My understanding is that AY doesn't release J space to partners until 60 days out, hence making a booking for the mentioned dates would mean search starting late March/early April, which would be post devaluation.
#221



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I didn't post it immediately, but right after posting the above, I went and checked anyways and lo and behold, there was a series of single award seats through early June (didn't check beyond), so I snagged one that fit best for me at the end of May. Not really sure what happened haha
#222




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My psychological limit is $2.5k for international J roundtrips, assuming there is either an ultra long haul (>12hours) each way, or two long hauls (>8-9hrs) each way. I think I have only paid $2.4k once for 24 hours in the air each way (and got 100kRDMs and 2 SWUs in return). For one long haul and one short/medium haul each way, my limit is around $1.7k
I could see myself perhaps paying up to $2.9k roundtrip, if requalification is at stake, or if it contains one ultra long haul and one long haul on QR each way...Like LAX-DOH-DPS, for example
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My preferred limit is up to $1600, though....
I could see myself perhaps paying up to $2.9k roundtrip, if requalification is at stake, or if it contains one ultra long haul and one long haul on QR each way...Like LAX-DOH-DPS, for example
.My preferred limit is up to $1600, though....

One year when I was kind of way behind meeting re-qual for AA EXP, I grapped a OSL-DOH-AKL return for less than US$1,800 with QR in J.
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#225




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This is my biggest concern, that although I've allocated most of my miles now, it's almost irrelevant due to exactly this. There'll be a point, if there is a devaluation, where any schedule change is basically an automatic redeposit.
The majority of my speculative bookings include Qatar. Over the past two months I've had four (of four) QR award ticket schedule changes tank badly enough, that the only viable option was canceling, adjusting dates, and starting over. Even for things that seemed like they should be easy, AA strangely struggled to fix. But either AA has huge swaths of time blocked to awards for next year, or QR isn't making them available, and each time this happens its increasingly difficult to find alternate selections. Ironically I'm working on the latest (#5) right now.
The majority of my speculative bookings include Qatar. Over the past two months I've had four (of four) QR award ticket schedule changes tank badly enough, that the only viable option was canceling, adjusting dates, and starting over. Even for things that seemed like they should be easy, AA strangely struggled to fix. But either AA has huge swaths of time blocked to awards for next year, or QR isn't making them available, and each time this happens its increasingly difficult to find alternate selections. Ironically I'm working on the latest (#5) right now.

