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Old May 19, 2021 | 9:30 pm
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Was the flight oversold/ soliciting volunteers?
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Old May 19, 2021 | 10:42 pm
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Did the credit card you booked this on have any trip interruption / protection? Also, with AA were you clear with what you were asking for in terms of compensation? Of course they will start low. I would also message them on twitter.
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Old May 19, 2021 | 10:57 pm
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Thank you all for the feedback thus far. We are still doing research on our end as well as taking into consideration all of the comments. The example from PHLGOVFLYER was exactly what happened to us. Unfortunatley for us, we connected at DFW and not through MIA . DFW does not handle very many flights to Aruba and does not posess the experiance in Aruba entry requirements as MIA. My wifes results arrived later that morning as well.

As we can not see any mention of employee error in the passage contract, the Montreal agreement or the Warsaw Agreement that would cover this issue we will have to simply treat this as a breech of contract as American failed to perform. We are not in a rush to respond to AA as we want to be sure that all of our bases are correct before we proceed.

We would rather not have to file suit over this as a resolution should be simple to arrive at, but we are willing to go that route should that be the case.

I will keep the board updated as the issue continues.
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Old May 19, 2021 | 11:00 pm
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Originally Posted by AAdamE
Did the credit card you booked this on have any trip interruption / protection? Also, with AA were you clear with what you were asking for in terms of compensation? Of course they will start low. I would also message them on twitter.
The trip was booked through my AMEX Platinum card. I will take a look if they will cover any of this. Good thought, Thanks.
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Old May 19, 2021 | 11:02 pm
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Originally Posted by meechyathere
Was the flight oversold/ soliciting volunteers?
To our knowledge the flight had many empty seats. This was sadly not an oversell situation. That one we know the rules for.
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Old May 20, 2021 | 12:59 am
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Typically, AA will refund expenses for which you have receipts. If you use points to cover expenses it will be difficult to get reimbursed. My suggestion is to calculate the value of points used (e..g. 1.5 cents/mile) and ask for that.
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Old May 20, 2021 | 1:26 am
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Originally Posted by garykung
In principal, you can try to request delay compensation under the Montreal Convention, given that it is an international booking. I assume that you did not end up returning Fresno but Aruba.



Whether you seek judicial redress is entirely up to you. However, keep in mind that:

1. Small Claims is still a court of law. You will need to explain why you should prevail. This is not something everyone can do.

2. You have to prove your claim. Using points/miles is no issue. How would you prove an equivalent fair value is another story.

3. The majority of Superior Courts of California are experiencing major backlogs, not including any potential unlawful detainer cases prevented by eviction moratorium. It can take as long as a year for your trial.



Send a certified mail to AA HQ demanding compensation citing Montreal and see how they respond.
You can file a small claims case without having any burden of proof. Any claim will do.

You only need to show more likely than not you are owed the compensation you claim (51% wins).

But, since no lawyers can participate in small claims court they will surely request a transfer to civil court.

Good luck with prevailing again AAs attorneys.
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Old May 20, 2021 | 3:02 am
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You indicated the ticket agent denied you boarding. Why were you seeing a TA at DFW?
Normally, you would go from your arrival gate to your departure gate at DFW
There is really no need for an agent to have to memorized the requirements, that is why the access a system with that info. If they cannot understand it, then they are in the wrong job.

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Old May 20, 2021 | 3:30 am
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I would respond to AAs letter / email simply stating that you require reinbursement of all the costs you lost because of the mistakes made by their staff. And remind them that they have already admitted to you that it was their mistale and you need to be made whole.

Compensation is different from reimbursement. Compensation is something over and above your loses. If you lost $2000 and they pay you $500 that's not compensation because you are still out $1500!

Quote them the timatic requirements (as quoted above) and also anything you have in writing from the Aruba authorities / screen shots of their websites to reiterate AA were the ones to make the mistake in denying you boarding.

I wouldn't mention lawyers or courts at this stage..

If they then reject you again then escalate it to the executive level. When you do that then mention you will take it further externally but again don't specifically mention court. You want resolution not a battle.

Only if they still refuse to make you whole would I go down the court route.
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Old May 20, 2021 | 7:24 am
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all the advice you are so far is really all good,
the only thing I would add is that you do not let AA slide on this, take too long to get it sorted,
and what they offer is acceptable to you.
Of course you have to be reasonable , but I feel you are also due the time you lost in enjoying your holiday etc
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Old May 20, 2021 | 7:50 am
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Originally Posted by rharlan
the gate agent denied us boarding due to improper documentation even though we had our qualified to board statement from Aruba.
Ugh I'm so sorry that happened to you. Does anyone know if like a Chase Sapphire card with included trip insurance would cover a situation like this (i.e. trip interruption)?

I really want to go on an international trip, but unless it's a country where can get in on a vaccine passport I don't think it's worth it. There's a horror story on a FT thread of someone flying internationally long distance on Qatar Airways and the government changed the rules while they were in the air and they were denied transit. The airline was not helping them and charged them change fees to get home.

There are way too many rules which can change on a dime and the people enforcing sometimes have zero clue what's going on. I'm hoping come fall things are less insane!
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Old May 20, 2021 | 8:35 am
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If you truly had incorrect documents as the DFW agent claims, shouldn't you have been denied at your departure city? Sorry this happened to you.
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Old May 20, 2021 | 8:42 am
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Originally Posted by UKtravelbear
I would respond to AAs letter / email simply stating that you require reinbursement of all the costs you lost because of the mistakes made by their staff. And remind them that they have already admitted to you that it was their mistale and you need to be made whole.

Compensation is different from reimbursement. Compensation is something over and above your loses. If you lost $2000 and they pay you $500 that's not compensation because you are still out $1500!

Quote them the timatic requirements (as quoted above) and also anything you have in writing from the Aruba authorities / screen shots of their websites to reiterate AA were the ones to make the mistake in denying you boarding.

I wouldn't mention lawyers or courts at this stage..

If they then reject you again then escalate it to the executive level. When you do that then mention you will take it further externally but again don't specifically mention court. You want resolution not a battle.

Only if they still refuse to make you whole would I go down the court route.
Great advice!

+1 for not mentioning any potential lawsuits. Once you threaten to sue, the case may move from Customer Care to Legal, potentially extending the protracted process of seeking reimbursement.

I would respond with specific outline the exact costs to be reimbursed - in cash, not vouchers. This would include airfare plus any prepaid expenses for Aruba, and meals and hotel expenses during your stay in DFW, and any AAdvantage miles spent. Unfortunately, it's difficult to assess the specific amounts related to using other points program, and that may be why they are giving you random amounts for compensation, which is also potentially negotiable.
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Old May 20, 2021 | 8:45 am
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Originally Posted by rharlan
The trip was booked through my AMEX Platinum card. I will take a look if they will cover any of this. Good thought, Thanks.
Amex is the best of the best when it comes to this kinda thing.
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Old May 20, 2021 | 8:53 am
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Originally Posted by StevenSeagalFan
If you truly had incorrect documents as the DFW agent claims, shouldn't you have been denied at your departure city? Sorry this happened to you.
Yes. Which means this is a double F up by AA. Improper denial due to documents and also not performing a consistent doc check at origin
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