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Old Jun 29, 2012, 3:25 pm
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Just checked in online for a flight tomorrow. Was offered a $130 upgrade and took it. I was booked into S fare which is .5 EQP now my booking class shows A, any chance I will get the 1.5 EQP? How does this work with these online check in paid upgrades. Anyone have experience?

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Old Jun 29, 2012, 5:41 pm
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Originally Posted by parpar22
Just checked in online for a long flight tomorrow. Was offered a $130 upgrade and took it. I was booked into S fare which is .5 EQP now my booking class shows A, any chance I will get the 1.5 EQP? How does this work with these online check in paid upgrades. Anyone have experience?
Can you be more specific on the rouitng?
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Old Jun 29, 2012, 5:44 pm
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Originally Posted by LINDEGR
Can you be more specific on the rouitng?
JUst one leg. Jac-Dfw. About 1100 miles. The way i booked it I would get 550 EQP but now my booking shows A so i am curious if i will get the1.5
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Old Jun 29, 2012, 7:41 pm
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Originally Posted by parpar22
JUst one leg. Jac-Dfw. About 1100 miles. The way i booked it I would get 550 EQP but now my booking shows A so i am curious if i will get the1.5
I predict yes- just a guess though.
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Old Jun 30, 2012, 5:03 am
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Originally Posted by LINDEGR
I predict yes- just a guess though.
I haven't flown AA in a while so I could be missing something but why would an OLCI LFBU be much different from a kiosk offered LFBU? My several experiences with the latter are that you receive EQM/EQP based on the fare purchased which is consistent with other domestic airlines that offer upgrades in similar ways.
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Old Jun 30, 2012, 8:53 am
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Originally Posted by marksskram
Originally Posted by LINDEGR
I predict yes- just a guess though.
I haven't flown AA in a while so I could be missing something but why would an OLCI LFBU be much different from a kiosk offered LFBU? My several experiences with the latter are that you receive EQM/EQP based on the fare purchased which is consistent with other domestic airlines that offer upgrades in similar ways.
Yes, if the flight showed booked into "X" after the upgrade nobody would think there would be any COS bonus. But "A" is both a revenue and instrument upgrade inventory class, and since sometimes when agent book you into the "wrong" class on an irrops/op-up situation you may get more miles/points than you paid for. So it's a reasonable question in this specific case.

Now, I don't know what class these upgrades typically book into, but I suspect you won't get any extra miles/points as the system can differentiate between a paid ticket in "A" and an upgrade into "A".
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Old Jun 30, 2012, 10:19 am
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Originally Posted by parpar22
JUst one leg. Jac-Dfw. About 1100 miles. The way i booked it I would get 550 EQP but now my booking shows A so i am curious if i will get the1.5
The one time I did a LFBU I was booked into A as well. I got 1.0 EQP instead of .5, but not 1.5.
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Old Jul 2, 2012, 10:20 am
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Originally Posted by saltytheseagull
The one time I did a LFBU I was booked into A as well. I got 1.0 EQP instead of .5, but not 1.5.
Same here for me when I did one last year.
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Old Jul 8, 2012, 12:23 pm
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Originally Posted by FlyingTrojan
As such, starting tomorrow X & R classes will be removed from the AA Award & Upgrade search."

My first thought is that this might be an attempt to fix the LFBU glitch that allows someone to jump the elite queue for upgrades. Here's to hoping for better system management.
Which LFBU glitch are you referring to? My understanding of LFBU is that it takes into account the upgrade waitlist and won't present any seats for LFBU if there are elites waiting for an upgrade. There is or used to be a situation unrelated to LFBU where seats could be released into X and be available to queue jumpers for the period of time between when the X inventory became available and the next run of the queue-clearing process.
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Old Jul 8, 2012, 1:37 pm
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Originally Posted by anabolism
Which LFBU glitch are you referring to? My understanding of LFBU is that it takes into account the upgrade waitlist and won't present any seats for LFBU if there are elites waiting for an upgrade.

In theory, yes. In practice....we've all heard reports here, and in some cases witnessed, LFBUs being offered via kiosks while we are still on the elite upgrade list for the same flight.

Ultimately, AA will do what it wants to maximize revenue for a flight. If it can sell an upgrade for $200 before giving away to an EXP for free, the Rev Mgmt computer might just choose to do so. Now, it probably doesn't happen too often, since EXPs usually are upgraded before they arrive at the airport on day of departure. But when it comes to battlefield upgrades....especially transcons and other key business markets....I wouldn't put it past Rev Mgmt.

Yet another good reason to use miles+copay or EVIPs whenever the upgrade is absolutely vital. Don't take chances messing around with the e-upgrade system if you cannot do without the upgrade.
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Old Jul 8, 2012, 2:17 pm
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Originally Posted by ESpen36
In theory, yes. In practice....we've all heard reports here, and in some cases witnessed, LFBUs being offered via kiosks while we are still on the elite upgrade list for the same flight.
I wasn't aware of such reports. I know AA says it isn't supposed to happen, so I'm sorry to hear that it has.

Originally Posted by ESpen36
Ultimately, AA will do what it wants to maximize revenue for a flight. If it can sell an upgrade for $200 before giving away to an EXP for free, the Rev Mgmt computer might just choose to do so. Now, it probably doesn't happen too often, since EXPs usually are upgraded before they arrive at the airport on day of departure. But when it comes to battlefield upgrades....especially transcons and other key business markets....I wouldn't put it past Rev Mgmt.
I hope Revenue Management is also balancing immediate revenue for flight X against long-term revenue driven by the AAdvantage program, including domestic upgrades for EXP. I also hope they balance on the side of EXPs.

Originally Posted by ESpen36
Yet another good reason to use miles+copay or EVIPs whenever the upgrade is absolutely vital. Don't take chances messing around with the e-upgrade system if you cannot do without the upgrade.
I do use miles+copay for domestic flights where I'm flying with someone and want to be sure we're both in F.
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Old Jul 8, 2012, 2:23 pm
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Originally Posted by anabolism
I hope Revenue Management is also balancing immediate revenue for flight X against long-term revenue driven by the AAdvantage program, including domestic upgrades for EXP. I also hope they balance on the side of EXPs.

I hope so too!!! 100% agree.
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Old Jul 9, 2012, 9:49 am
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Ran into this info on AA.com while looking at the fees and charges chart:

Paid LFB Upgrade Terms and Conditions

Paid LFB Upgrades are only available on flights operated and marketed by American Airlines and American Eagle

Paid LFB Upgrades are only offered when premium class seats are available based on premium class load factor and AAdvantage elite upgrade accommodation

Paid LFB Upgrades will be offered to eligible passengers during check-in, which is 24 hours prior to departure through the check-in window. Eligibility shall be determined based on, but not limited to, the following factors: AAdvantage or OneWorld status, purchased fare class, existing upgrades, ticketing status, and purchase history.

Paid LFB Upgrades are purchased per passenger per flight

Paid LFB Upgrades must be purchased at the time the offer is made

Paid LFB Upgrades are non-transferable and only valid for the flight purchased

Customers who purchase Paid LFB Upgrades and are unable to use them due to an involuntary seat change, equipment change, routing change, flight cancellation, or missed connection due to a late incoming flight are eligible for a refund. Refunds can be requested at www.aa.com/refunds

Customers who are late for a flight for reasons other than those listed above are not eligible for a refund of the Paid LFB Upgrade

Customers who purchase Paid LFB Upgrades and elect to change to another seat in a lower class of service will not be entitled to a refund of the original upgrades purchase

Passengers that have purchased a Paid LFB Upgrade will not receive a refund if the price decreases, nor incur a charge if the price increases

Refunds of Paid LFB Upgrades will be made to the original form of payment

Purchases made in cash will be refunded via check

Paid LFB Upgrades are subject to cancellation unless you have checked in and obtained a boarding pass within the check in window. You must be present at the departure gate and ready to board at least 15 minutes prior to scheduled departure time to retain your reservation and upgrade.

American Airlines expressly reserves the right in its absolute discretion to discontinue Paid LFB Upgrades at any time. American Airlines will not be liable for any loss or damage suffered by a purchaser resulting from such refusal, cancellation or denial

American Airlines reserves the right to remove any customer for inappropriate behavior, including, but not limited to, conduct that is disruptive, abusive or violent. Such customers will not be entitled to a refund.

American Airlines reserves the right to move any customer who has purchased an upgrade from any seat for operational or security reasons. This includes customers who do not meet exit row eligibility requirements. The customer may request a refund of the Upgrade at www.aa.com/refunds

https://www.aa.com/i18n/fragments/me.../LFBUTerms.jsp
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Old Jul 26, 2012, 10:52 am
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Mrs. abefroman329 and I scored one of the rumored post-check-in, pre-boarding LFBUs from a kiosk on ORD-DCA on Tuesday evening - and it appears AA is refunding the bag fees we paid at check-in (GA told us AA would not).
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Old Aug 14, 2012, 6:20 pm
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Not too sure where this should go BUT. I was on AA 1787 last night, standby list was literally maybe 20+ long. No one on upgrade list. I thought it was be a nice flight with F being 6/18. By the time boarding was complete F was completely full. Do they offer standby's into F based on what? Paid, anything? Bit confused here.
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