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Configuration is F 16, 156 Y (of which 30 are MCE) IFE WiFi streaming, Internet WiFi via ViaSat, 110 VAC Universal plug plus 5 VDC USB low output.
For the Guide / master threads on this aircraft, please see
Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 First / Business Seats, Etc.
and Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 Main Cabin, MCE Seats, Etc.
In the order of Boeing 737 aircraft, AA included 100 737 MAX 8 orders with options for 60 more. The first 737 MAX -8 flew at the assembly facility in Renton, WAshington, USA on 29 Jan 2016. Deliveries to AA commenced in late in 2017, with four delivered in 2017. 16 more will be delivered during 2018, 20 during 2019. IATA code B38M; AA code "7M8".
NOTE: ALL 737-800s (and two class A321-32B) will be retrofitted to 737 MAX 8 seating, slimline “advanced“ lavatories, IFE and WiFi standards under Project Oasis over the next three years.
The 737 MAX 8* is essentially a replacement to the 737-800 with passenger capacity of 172. (Read onward for seat configuration.) Range with Advanced Technology (AT) Split Scimitar Winglets is expected to be 3,515 nmi (6,510 km). (In comparison, the APB Blended Winglets 737-800 has range of 3,115 nmi or 5,765 km fully loaded.) See this page on Gizmodo for more information.
The fourth generation 737 MAX 8 (first flight 2016) includes airframe and wingtip modifications (Boeing “Scimitar” Advanced Technology Winglets) for enhanced efficiency and will use the larger and more efficient CFM International LEAP-1B engines. This will allegedly allow a 20% improvement in fuel burn over A320 aircraft, a 4% improvement over the A320neo* (new engine option), a 14% fuel burn reduction over the 737NG / 737-823 currently in use and a 37% fuel burn reduction over the 757-200.
(*The slightly longer and longer range A321-200neo will come in 2019.)
Boeing 737-800 Scimitar Split Winglets
The 737 MAX has the Boeing Sky Interior with LED interior lighting based on the Boeing 787 interior, overhead bins and fee-based ViaSat satellite-based Ka band WiFi. Individual seatback seatback video screens are no longer offered; AA has chosen free high quality live streaming music and movies (streamed from an onboard server and generally using the free downloadable GoGo Entertainment app) and high speed ViaSat Ka band Internet are said to be both sufficient and “the wave of the future”. At seat power is universal plug at 110 VAC plus 5.1 VDC USB; "large" overhead (cases stand on side) bins are provided.
The new 787 MAX aircraft carry 172 passengers: 16 in First, 30 in Main Cabin Extra and 126 in Main Cabin for a total of 172. Main Cabin will feature 30" seat pitch with Rockwell Collins Interior Design "Meridian" slimline seats, which AA states these seats' 30" pitch "feels like" 31" and is a more comfortable seat than previous generations (of slimline seats). The new “Spacewall“ ultra slimline lavatory (29” in F, 24” in Y) are “densified”, as well.
(AA revised its original plans to provide some rows of 29" pitch seats in the MAX 8 by switching out one MCE row, as of 12 June 2017.) See memo posted by CO777 in post 377.
"An American spokesman said the airline will add 40 Max jets to its fleet by the end of 2019. It has 100 on order." Existing and remaining Boeing 737-800 / 823s (two-class A321 and 32B aircraft will be “densified” with the new Meridian seats and Spacewall lavatories as well) will be configured to the same seat plan as the 737-MAX 8, going from 160 to 172 total seats.
Link to full article in CNN Money, 3 May 2017.
*Boeing aircraft are changing nomenclature. Like the existing 747-8 and 787-8 and -9, the 737 MAX 8 on order by AA will be the -8, not -800.
HISTORICAL / COMPARISON:
Boeing 737-100 "Fat Albert" entered service with Lufthansa in 1968
MTOW 110,000 lb; Range 1,540 nm; 85 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-400 "Classic" entered service in 1984
MTOW 150,000 lb; Range ~2,100 nm; 147 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-800 "Next Generation" entered service in 1998
MTOW 174,200 lb; Range ~2,935 nm; 150-160-172 passengers in 2 AA class config
Boeing 737 MAX 8 entered service in 2017
MTOW 181,200 lb; Range 3,610 nm; 172 passengers in AA 2 class config
*Click HERE for a list of registration “tail” numbers of 737 MAX 8 deliveries.
All posts regarding AA 737 MAX 8 safety etc. as related to the crashes have been consolidated in one thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...37-max-8s.html.
This thread is dedicated to general discussion of the 737 MAX 8. There are other threads to post to:
Recent crashes and effect on AA: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1939333-recent-737-max-crashes-effects-aa-737-max-8s.html
7M8 First / Business cabin and MiQ seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1880631-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-first-business-seats-etc.html
7M8 Main Cabin and MCE cabins, Meridian seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1892121-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-meridian-main-cabin-mce-seats-etc.html
7M8 Space overhead bins related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1951594-max-oasis-big-bins-agents-told-not-proactively-gate-check-bags-jan-2019-a.html
7M8 Spacewall lavatory related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1919254-737-max-8-bathrooms-air-carrier-access-act-compliant.html
Moderator
This thread is dedicated to general discussion of the 737 MAX 8. There are other threads to post to:
Recent crashes and effect on AA: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1939333-recent-737-max-crashes-effects-aa-737-max-8s.html
7M8 First / Business cabin and MiQ seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1880631-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-first-business-seats-etc.html
7M8 Main Cabin and MCE cabins, Meridian seats: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1892121-aircraft-guide-aa-boeing-737-max-8-7m8-meridian-main-cabin-mce-seats-etc.html
7M8 Space overhead bins related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1951594-max-oasis-big-bins-agents-told-not-proactively-gate-check-bags-jan-2019-a.html
7M8 Spacewall lavatory related: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/american-airlines-aadvantage/1919254-737-max-8-bathrooms-air-carrier-access-act-compliant.html
Moderator
For the Guide / master threads on this aircraft, please see
Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 First / Business Seats, Etc.
and Guide: AA Boeing 737 MAX 8 / 7M8 Main Cabin, MCE Seats, Etc.
In the order of Boeing 737 aircraft, AA included 100 737 MAX 8 orders with options for 60 more. The first 737 MAX -8 flew at the assembly facility in Renton, WAshington, USA on 29 Jan 2016. Deliveries to AA commenced in late in 2017, with four delivered in 2017. 16 more will be delivered during 2018, 20 during 2019. IATA code B38M; AA code "7M8".
NOTE: ALL 737-800s (and two class A321-32B) will be retrofitted to 737 MAX 8 seating, slimline “advanced“ lavatories, IFE and WiFi standards under Project Oasis over the next three years.
American Airlines Boeing 737 MAX 8 SSW
The 737 MAX 8* is essentially a replacement to the 737-800 with passenger capacity of 172. (Read onward for seat configuration.) Range with Advanced Technology (AT) Split Scimitar Winglets is expected to be 3,515 nmi (6,510 km). (In comparison, the APB Blended Winglets 737-800 has range of 3,115 nmi or 5,765 km fully loaded.) See this page on Gizmodo for more information.
The fourth generation 737 MAX 8 (first flight 2016) includes airframe and wingtip modifications (Boeing “Scimitar” Advanced Technology Winglets) for enhanced efficiency and will use the larger and more efficient CFM International LEAP-1B engines. This will allegedly allow a 20% improvement in fuel burn over A320 aircraft, a 4% improvement over the A320neo* (new engine option), a 14% fuel burn reduction over the 737NG / 737-823 currently in use and a 37% fuel burn reduction over the 757-200.
(*The slightly longer and longer range A321-200neo will come in 2019.)
Boeing 737-800 Scimitar Split Winglets
The 737 MAX has the Boeing Sky Interior with LED interior lighting based on the Boeing 787 interior, overhead bins and fee-based ViaSat satellite-based Ka band WiFi. Individual seatback seatback video screens are no longer offered; AA has chosen free high quality live streaming music and movies (streamed from an onboard server and generally using the free downloadable GoGo Entertainment app) and high speed ViaSat Ka band Internet are said to be both sufficient and “the wave of the future”. At seat power is universal plug at 110 VAC plus 5.1 VDC USB; "large" overhead (cases stand on side) bins are provided.
The new 787 MAX aircraft carry 172 passengers: 16 in First, 30 in Main Cabin Extra and 126 in Main Cabin for a total of 172. Main Cabin will feature 30" seat pitch with Rockwell Collins Interior Design "Meridian" slimline seats, which AA states these seats' 30" pitch "feels like" 31" and is a more comfortable seat than previous generations (of slimline seats). The new “Spacewall“ ultra slimline lavatory (29” in F, 24” in Y) are “densified”, as well.
(AA revised its original plans to provide some rows of 29" pitch seats in the MAX 8 by switching out one MCE row, as of 12 June 2017.) See memo posted by CO777 in post 377.
"An American spokesman said the airline will add 40 Max jets to its fleet by the end of 2019. It has 100 on order." Existing and remaining Boeing 737-800 / 823s (two-class A321 and 32B aircraft will be “densified” with the new Meridian seats and Spacewall lavatories as well) will be configured to the same seat plan as the 737-MAX 8, going from 160 to 172 total seats.
Link to full article in CNN Money, 3 May 2017.
*Boeing aircraft are changing nomenclature. Like the existing 747-8 and 787-8 and -9, the 737 MAX 8 on order by AA will be the -8, not -800.
HISTORICAL / COMPARISON:
Boeing 737-100 "Fat Albert" entered service with Lufthansa in 1968
MTOW 110,000 lb; Range 1,540 nm; 85 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-400 "Classic" entered service in 1984
MTOW 150,000 lb; Range ~2,100 nm; 147 passengers in 2 class config
Boeing 737-800 "Next Generation" entered service in 1998
MTOW 174,200 lb; Range ~2,935 nm; 150-160-172 passengers in 2 AA class config
Boeing 737 MAX 8 entered service in 2017
MTOW 181,200 lb; Range 3,610 nm; 172 passengers in AA 2 class config
*Click HERE for a list of registration “tail” numbers of 737 MAX 8 deliveries.
ARCHIVE: AA 737 MAX 8 SSW / 7M8 aircraft in service Nov 2017 (discussion)
Nov 11, 2017, 7:20 pm
#286
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737 Max
I’m at the American Airlines Skyball in Dallas tonight (the 11th), and got a chance to walk through the new 737 Max airplane.
First I have to say that it is beautiful. The first class seats are really nice and there are a couple of new features that are worth noting. The armrests in first class on the aisle slide down into the seat to make it easy to get in and out. When you open your tray, there’s a little backstop that opens up so you can rest a tablet against it so it doesn’t slide. There’s a small compartment on the inside of each seat that holds a pillow and the USB and power inputs are located here.
In coach there are adjustable tablet holders in the seat back in front of you so you can put your phone or tablet right in front of you. There’s a usb input right next to it.
No tvs since all entertainment is free now.
The flights attendents to me that the the high speed WiFi is great and you can stream pretty much anything you want to gate to gate.
They’re going to start operating the plane between Miami and New York soon and start expanding it throughout the country. I took some pictures but don’t know how to add them.
First I have to say that it is beautiful. The first class seats are really nice and there are a couple of new features that are worth noting. The armrests in first class on the aisle slide down into the seat to make it easy to get in and out. When you open your tray, there’s a little backstop that opens up so you can rest a tablet against it so it doesn’t slide. There’s a small compartment on the inside of each seat that holds a pillow and the USB and power inputs are located here.
In coach there are adjustable tablet holders in the seat back in front of you so you can put your phone or tablet right in front of you. There’s a usb input right next to it.
No tvs since all entertainment is free now.
The flights attendents to me that the the high speed WiFi is great and you can stream pretty much anything you want to gate to gate.
They’re going to start operating the plane between Miami and New York soon and start expanding it throughout the country. I took some pictures but don’t know how to add them.
Last edited by vendsit; Nov 12, 2017 at 11:17 am Reason: Spelling
Nov 11, 2017, 7:30 pm
#287
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Thanks!
Upload them to imgur and post the link (for the photos)
Upload them to imgur and post the link (for the photos)
Nov 11, 2017, 8:12 pm
#288
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Posting pics
I’m trying but can’t figure out how to upload them from the Imgur app on my phone. I’ll try in the morning when I can get in my computer.
Nov 11, 2017, 8:45 pm
#289
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How was the pitch in F? Reduced versus current B738?
Personally I think lack of monitors at every seat is a big step backwards though we knew that this was coming.
Personally I think lack of monitors at every seat is a big step backwards though we knew that this was coming.
Nov 11, 2017, 9:39 pm
#290
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"No tvs since all entertainment is free now"
Are these mutually exclusive?
Are these mutually exclusive?
Nov 11, 2017, 9:42 pm
#291
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Seat pitch
I'm 5 10 is there is never really a problem with leg room. It did seem like the seat pitch for first and the first several rows of economy were about the same.
The trays in first are are pretty cool though. You press a button and they rise out of the arm rest about halfway up so it’s much easier to get them in and out. They’re silver with a textured finish around the edges.
The trays in first are are pretty cool though. You press a button and they rise out of the arm rest about halfway up so it’s much easier to get them in and out. They’re silver with a textured finish around the edges.
Nov 12, 2017, 1:00 am
#292
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I’m at the American Airlines Skyball in Dalls tonight (the 11th), and got a chance to walk through the new 737 Max airplane.
First I have to say that it is beautiful. The first class seats are really nice and there are a couple of new features that are worth noting. The armrests in first class on the aisle slide down into the seat to make it easy to get in and out. When you open your tray, there’s a little backstop that opens up so you can rest a tablet against it so it doesn’t slide. There’s a small compartment on the inside of each seat that holds a pillow and the USB and power inputs are located here.
In coach there are adjustable tablet holders in the seat back in front of you so you can put your phone or tablet right in front of you. There’s a usb input right next to it.
No tvs since all entertainment is free now.
The flights attendents to me that the the high speed WiFi is great and you can stream pretty much anything you want to gate to gate.
They’re going to start operating the plane between Miami and New York soon and start expanding it throughout the country. I took some pictures but don’t know how to add them.
First I have to say that it is beautiful. The first class seats are really nice and there are a couple of new features that are worth noting. The armrests in first class on the aisle slide down into the seat to make it easy to get in and out. When you open your tray, there’s a little backstop that opens up so you can rest a tablet against it so it doesn’t slide. There’s a small compartment on the inside of each seat that holds a pillow and the USB and power inputs are located here.
In coach there are adjustable tablet holders in the seat back in front of you so you can put your phone or tablet right in front of you. There’s a usb input right next to it.
No tvs since all entertainment is free now.
The flights attendents to me that the the high speed WiFi is great and you can stream pretty much anything you want to gate to gate.
They’re going to start operating the plane between Miami and New York soon and start expanding it throughout the country. I took some pictures but don’t know how to add them.
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Nov 12, 2017, 10:41 am
#293
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737 Max pictures
Not sure if the pictures will show up but at least the links open the pictures. If anyone can tell me how to get them to open I would appreciate it.
https://imgur.com/NaB8o29
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https://imgur.com/fzjK1fs
https://imgur.com/qj87xaj
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https://imgur.com/NaB8o29
https://imgur.com/r33k047
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Last edited by vendsit; Nov 12, 2017 at 10:58 am Reason: Adding pics
Nov 12, 2017, 1:41 pm
#294
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Looks pretty similar to the new A319 seats, no? With the exception of the armrests (unless I've not noticed their ability to rise/sink as I always choose a window seat) and the tablet holding gubbins...
Nov 12, 2017, 3:53 pm
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Looks like no bulkhead between the F and Y cabins, which probably saves close to a foot of space and should give the first row some floor storage.
I'm starting to think that this bird isn't as bad as we've thought.
Anybody know what the charge is for the ViaSat Wi-Fi? I've heard it might be free, and surely doesn't accept Gogo subscriptions which could be a mess. If it isn't free, I hope there's at least some kind of subscription or it accepts roaming. On other ViaSat flights, like VX's new A320s, it's charged on every single flight which is annoying.
I'm starting to think that this bird isn't as bad as we've thought.
Anybody know what the charge is for the ViaSat Wi-Fi? I've heard it might be free, and surely doesn't accept Gogo subscriptions which could be a mess. If it isn't free, I hope there's at least some kind of subscription or it accepts roaming. On other ViaSat flights, like VX's new A320s, it's charged on every single flight which is annoying.
Nov 12, 2017, 4:18 pm
#296
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Like the tablet holders. No substitute for AVOD, IMO. F seats appear to be exact same as PEY on 787s.
Nov 12, 2017, 5:40 pm
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If the power outlet is in the inconvenient place under your left arm (aisle seat on left side), then yes, they're the same.
Nov 12, 2017, 6:12 pm
#298
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I’m at the American Airlines Skyball in Dallas tonight (the 11th), and got a chance to walk through the new 737 Max airplane.
First I have to say that it is beautiful. The first class seats are really nice and there are a couple of new features that are worth noting. The armrests in first class on the aisle slide down into the seat to make it easy to get in and out. When you open your tray, there’s a little backstop that opens up so you can rest a tablet against it so it doesn’t slide. There’s a small compartment on the inside of each seat that holds a pillow and the USB and power inputs are located here.
In coach there are adjustable tablet holders in the seat back in front of you so you can put your phone or tablet right in front of you. There’s a usb input right next to it.
No tvs since all entertainment is free now.
The flights attendents to me that the the high speed WiFi is great and you can stream pretty much anything you want to gate to gate.
They’re going to start operating the plane between Miami and New York soon and start expanding it throughout the country. I took some pictures but don’t know how to add them.
First I have to say that it is beautiful. The first class seats are really nice and there are a couple of new features that are worth noting. The armrests in first class on the aisle slide down into the seat to make it easy to get in and out. When you open your tray, there’s a little backstop that opens up so you can rest a tablet against it so it doesn’t slide. There’s a small compartment on the inside of each seat that holds a pillow and the USB and power inputs are located here.
In coach there are adjustable tablet holders in the seat back in front of you so you can put your phone or tablet right in front of you. There’s a usb input right next to it.
No tvs since all entertainment is free now.
The flights attendents to me that the the high speed WiFi is great and you can stream pretty much anything you want to gate to gate.
They’re going to start operating the plane between Miami and New York soon and start expanding it throughout the country. I took some pictures but don’t know how to add them.
But, I do wonder if with the tablet holders it means you will be able to use the IFE during takeoff and landing, as long as it is "stowed" to the seat in front of you.
Even if so, I still think this is a huge step backwards, when airlines like JetBlue and Delta are investing in and delivery beautiful new planes with in-seat AVOD.
Nov 12, 2017, 6:58 pm
#299
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INF
As far as the IFE goes the flight attendants told me that the new high speed wireless is available gate to gate so you’ll be able to surf the web or stream anything you want to as soon as you get on the plane. No more waiting until you get to 10,000 feet.
Nov 12, 2017, 7:11 pm
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So we won’t be reprimanded for having a phone on after push back anymore? :/