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[2016 NEWBIE LOUNGE] Ask Your "Newbie" AA Questions Here (flame free)
Dec 27, 2016, 6:54 am
#3181
Moderator, Amtrak & Spirit Airlines
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: EWR :rolleyes:
Programs: AC 50K, AS MVP, AA Plat Pro, DL Plat, UA Silver, IHG Spire, Marriott Titanium, Hertz PC
Posts: 9,625
I feel like I should know the answer, but wanted to hear it from the experts.
I still feel like I don't understand how many RDMs I am going to earn on partners next year as an EXP.
I have the following:
JFK-HKG in R (PE) so I see that as 8072 base miles
HKG-MLE in I (J) so I see that as 3720 base miles with the cabin bonus.
Return is the same.
Giving me 23,584 base miles for RDM. Do I get a 120% on that number?
Meaning 28,300+23,584 = 51,884 RDMs for this trip?
Thanks for the help. I can figure out the EQMs and EQDs no problem. I just don't quite follow the RDM bonuses next year.
I still feel like I don't understand how many RDMs I am going to earn on partners next year as an EXP.
I have the following:
JFK-HKG in R (PE) so I see that as 8072 base miles
HKG-MLE in I (J) so I see that as 3720 base miles with the cabin bonus.
Return is the same.
Giving me 23,584 base miles for RDM. Do I get a 120% on that number?
Meaning 28,300+23,584 = 51,884 RDMs for this trip?
Thanks for the help. I can figure out the EQMs and EQDs no problem. I just don't quite follow the RDM bonuses next year.
Dec 27, 2016, 7:17 am
#3182
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: used to be PER, now it's nowhere/eveywhere
Programs: QFF NB, AA GLD
Posts: 3,467
Because you are flying CX and not AA, your RDM earn will be based on the Distance method not the Fare method
Your computation is not quite right. The components are additive not multiplicative.
RDM = Flight Distance x (BaseMiles% + ClassOfService% + EXPBonus% )÷100
So, for your trip:
JFK-HKG = 8072x(100+0+120)÷100 = 17,759
HKG-MLE= 2976x(100+25+120)÷100 = 7,292
So grand total = 17,759 + 7292 + 7292 = 17759 = 50,102
Which is not a lot different from your calculation, but you multiplied the 25% class of service bonus by the 120% EXP Bonus rather than adding them and that gave you a slightly higher number
Your computation is not quite right. The components are additive not multiplicative.
RDM = Flight Distance x (BaseMiles% + ClassOfService% + EXPBonus% )÷100
So, for your trip:
JFK-HKG = 8072x(100+0+120)÷100 = 17,759
HKG-MLE= 2976x(100+25+120)÷100 = 7,292
So grand total = 17,759 + 7292 + 7292 = 17759 = 50,102
Which is not a lot different from your calculation, but you multiplied the 25% class of service bonus by the 120% EXP Bonus rather than adding them and that gave you a slightly higher number
Dec 27, 2016, 7:22 am
#3183
Moderator, Amtrak & Spirit Airlines
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: EWR :rolleyes:
Programs: AC 50K, AS MVP, AA Plat Pro, DL Plat, UA Silver, IHG Spire, Marriott Titanium, Hertz PC
Posts: 9,625
Because you are flying CX and not AA, your RDM earn will be based on the Distance method not the Fare method
Your computation is not quite right. The components are additive not multiplicative.
RDM = Flight Distance x (BaseMiles% + ClassOfService% + EXPBonus% )÷100
So, for your trip:
JFK-HKG = 8072x(100+0+120)÷100 = 17,759
HKG-MLE= 2976x(100+25+120)÷100 = 7,292
So grand total = 17,759 + 7292 + 7292 = 17759 = 50,102
Which is not a lot different from your calculation, but you multiplied the 25% class of service bonus by the 120% EXP Bonus rather than adding them and that gave you a slightly higher number
Your computation is not quite right. The components are additive not multiplicative.
RDM = Flight Distance x (BaseMiles% + ClassOfService% + EXPBonus% )÷100
So, for your trip:
JFK-HKG = 8072x(100+0+120)÷100 = 17,759
HKG-MLE= 2976x(100+25+120)÷100 = 7,292
So grand total = 17,759 + 7292 + 7292 = 17759 = 50,102
Which is not a lot different from your calculation, but you multiplied the 25% class of service bonus by the 120% EXP Bonus rather than adding them and that gave you a slightly higher number
This whole thing is getting way to complicated to figure out. Good to know that is indeed around 50k RDMs. Puts me in a good spot for the RT F redemption to JNB I was hoping to snag for 2018. 
Dec 27, 2016, 7:44 am
#3184
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: used to be PER, now it's nowhere/eveywhere
Programs: QFF NB, AA GLD
Posts: 3,467
Dec 27, 2016, 12:54 pm
#3185
Moderator, Amtrak & Spirit Airlines
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: EWR :rolleyes:
Programs: AC 50K, AS MVP, AA Plat Pro, DL Plat, UA Silver, IHG Spire, Marriott Titanium, Hertz PC
Posts: 9,625
Yeah I have a spreadsheet for EQM and EQD as well as my *A status requals but it doesn't focus on the RDMs I can't say I am really to worried about them anymore 
with the new chart I know I don't have anything to get excited about until I get to around 200k.
with the new chart I know I don't have anything to get excited about until I get to around 200k.
Dec 27, 2016, 7:20 pm
#3186
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 1
A couple of questions:
Background: I have separate tickets on AA from AUS -> LAX (Leg 1) and LAX -> HND (Leg 2). The scheduled arrival in T-6 at LAX of Leg 1 is only 2h5m prior to take-off of Leg 2 to HND in T-4 at LAX. I know AA's policy changed earlier in 2016 and they will no longer as a matter of policy check baggage through or treat me as a protected customer (though every indication is that if issues with the first flight cause me to miss the second, AA will likely do what it takes to make it right).
Question 1: Has anyone had any luck asking the ticketing desk at the start of the first leg (in this case, AUS) to check the baggage through and/or combine two separate tickets with AA in to a single ticket/itinerary (following the policy change)?
Question 2: If they won't check them through, I'm worried about the timing of picking my bags up in LAX T-4 (including a large ski bag) and then getting over to LAX T-6 to check my bags in; is there any way I can check them (for the international leg 2 departing from T-4) at T-6?
Edit: to make this more complicated (maybe), the CS rep at AA that I just spoke to said that if I show the ticketing agent my separate tickets with AA they will check the bags through for me. I've had a few questions today for AA and received answers that didn't match their policies and (also) contradictory answers, so i'm wondering if this is a wrong answer or if the ticketing agent will in fact help me out in this manner. Anyone have any insight?
Background: I have separate tickets on AA from AUS -> LAX (Leg 1) and LAX -> HND (Leg 2). The scheduled arrival in T-6 at LAX of Leg 1 is only 2h5m prior to take-off of Leg 2 to HND in T-4 at LAX. I know AA's policy changed earlier in 2016 and they will no longer as a matter of policy check baggage through or treat me as a protected customer (though every indication is that if issues with the first flight cause me to miss the second, AA will likely do what it takes to make it right).
Question 1: Has anyone had any luck asking the ticketing desk at the start of the first leg (in this case, AUS) to check the baggage through and/or combine two separate tickets with AA in to a single ticket/itinerary (following the policy change)?
Question 2: If they won't check them through, I'm worried about the timing of picking my bags up in LAX T-4 (including a large ski bag) and then getting over to LAX T-6 to check my bags in; is there any way I can check them (for the international leg 2 departing from T-4) at T-6?
Edit: to make this more complicated (maybe), the CS rep at AA that I just spoke to said that if I show the ticketing agent my separate tickets with AA they will check the bags through for me. I've had a few questions today for AA and received answers that didn't match their policies and (also) contradictory answers, so i'm wondering if this is a wrong answer or if the ticketing agent will in fact help me out in this manner. Anyone have any insight?
Last edited by rpg374; Dec 27, 2016 at 7:44 pm Reason: Spoke w/ AA
Dec 28, 2016, 5:06 am
#3187
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: San Diego
Programs: Plat Pro AAdvantage, but defected to BAEC
Posts: 1,222
Because you are flying CX and not AA, your RDM earn will be based on the Distance method not the Fare method
Your computation is not quite right. The components are additive not multiplicative.
RDM = Flight Distance x (BaseMiles% + ClassOfService% + EXPBonus% )÷100
So, for your trip:
JFK-HKG = 8072x(100+0+120)÷100 = 17,759
HKG-MLE= 2976x(100+25+120)÷100 = 7,292
So grand total = 17,759 + 7292 + 7292 = 17759 = 50,102
Which is not a lot different from your calculation, but you multiplied the 25% class of service bonus by the 120% EXP Bonus rather than adding them and that gave you a slightly higher number
Your computation is not quite right. The components are additive not multiplicative.
RDM = Flight Distance x (BaseMiles% + ClassOfService% + EXPBonus% )÷100
So, for your trip:
JFK-HKG = 8072x(100+0+120)÷100 = 17,759
HKG-MLE= 2976x(100+25+120)÷100 = 7,292
So grand total = 17,759 + 7292 + 7292 = 17759 = 50,102
Which is not a lot different from your calculation, but you multiplied the 25% class of service bonus by the 120% EXP Bonus rather than adding them and that gave you a slightly higher number
I was under the impression that if booked as a codeshare i.e. an AA flight number, then the EQM/RDM calculations would be performed as if the flight was taken on American. I flew last week from SAN to LHR on BA metal in F. The trip was booked on AA.COM and had an AA PNR and flight number. I made sure I had my AAdvantage mileage number on the booking and a few days ago, the miles showed up in my account. The EQM total was 10,970 which is correct as I was in discounted F so there was a 2x multiplier to the base miles of 5485 miles. (Multiplier would have only been 1.5 if I had booked on BA.COM) however the RDM amount credited to my account looks wrong. It shows that the calculation was distance based (should have been $ based as this was a code share) and even the distance based calculation looks wrong to me in that I got the base 5485 miles plus a bonus of what looks to be 90% of the base, for a total of 10,422 miles.
The one way fare including the BA surcharge, less taxes and fees was $2,622 and as Im AA Gold, the calculation should have been 7x 2,622 for a total of 18,384, so it looks like I'm short by almost 8,000 miles. It will be even worse on the way home if they apply the distance calculation as I crossed the Platinum threshold on the way out, so I would expect the multiplier to be 8x, so I will lose out on an additional 2,622 miles.
Should I have been credited using the AA fare calc, or the distance based calc?
Dec 28, 2016, 9:23 am
#3188
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: SEA
Programs: Bonvoy Gold
Posts: 1,946
Here's what I believe may be a softball question: I'm planning a Seattle-Los Angeles flight in the weeks ahead with the exact destination being close to Long Beach, so the best routing I assume to be SEA-LAX. I'm booking in first class with my MS-fueled pile of AA miles (thanks, Exec CC bonuses) and I see I have 2 direct options:
AA E175
AS 737 series (mostly 737-800s with slimline, says SeatGuru)
For a solo passenger on there-and-back three-hour flights, which one has the better hard and soft product...or is it a toss-up? Both run 25k miles o/w through AA (much more via AS). I have lounge access through PP, but am unlikely to need/use it, preferring to minimize my time at airports. Anything else to consider?
TIA
AA E175
AS 737 series (mostly 737-800s with slimline, says SeatGuru)
For a solo passenger on there-and-back three-hour flights, which one has the better hard and soft product...or is it a toss-up? Both run 25k miles o/w through AA (much more via AS). I have lounge access through PP, but am unlikely to need/use it, preferring to minimize my time at airports. Anything else to consider?
TIA
Dec 28, 2016, 9:33 am
#3189
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 22
Just made Gold for the 1st time
Ok, now what?
Where do I go from here, as in , what steps do I take next to take advantage of this?
I have read of Elite Status matching. Now that I have reached Gold, and expect Executive in January of 2017 > Do I start looking at my other FF accounts?
I just started a new job that will have me flying Internationally a bunch.
No specific destinations or routes. I do not have control over which Airline is used.
I have a Chase Card with Mileage Plus Club, and this is my everyday charge card.
That's how I get into United Clubs while I'm waiting in DEN (primary departure point). I never had an Admiral's Club membership, and dont' really want another credit card or pay another $550 for a membership. But AA is on another concourse from my primary departure point for work and it's a pain in the Arse to stay in a United Lunge and have to leave half an hour earlier than I'd like, just to get to my AA gate.
I have an American Express Platinum and with that came Priority Pass, and I just suffered through the LHR Aspire Lounge and I"m rethinking AMEX as a result
Where do I go from here, as in , what steps do I take next to take advantage of this?
I have read of Elite Status matching. Now that I have reached Gold, and expect Executive in January of 2017 > Do I start looking at my other FF accounts?
I just started a new job that will have me flying Internationally a bunch.
No specific destinations or routes. I do not have control over which Airline is used.
I have a Chase Card with Mileage Plus Club, and this is my everyday charge card.
That's how I get into United Clubs while I'm waiting in DEN (primary departure point). I never had an Admiral's Club membership, and dont' really want another credit card or pay another $550 for a membership. But AA is on another concourse from my primary departure point for work and it's a pain in the Arse to stay in a United Lunge and have to leave half an hour earlier than I'd like, just to get to my AA gate.
I have an American Express Platinum and with that came Priority Pass, and I just suffered through the LHR Aspire Lounge and I"m rethinking AMEX as a result
Dec 28, 2016, 9:54 am
#3190
Join Date: Aug 2012
Programs: UA 1K/MM, EK Gold, CX Silver
Posts: 880
Hi, Transatlantic ticket, 1 free bag.
1) Then a purely domestic segment, where I will have two bags - what is the fee for those bags (I assume first still free, second is ?). $25? $35?
2) Then second bag on return transatlantic - second bag $100 - correct?
1) Then a purely domestic segment, where I will have two bags - what is the fee for those bags (I assume first still free, second is ?). $25? $35?
2) Then second bag on return transatlantic - second bag $100 - correct?
Last edited by sabbasolo; Dec 28, 2016 at 9:59 am
Dec 29, 2016, 1:58 am
#3191
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: May 2015
Location: BOS, YVR, ZRH
Programs: *G
Posts: 17,399
Regarding flying on a partner and distance based....
I was under the impression that if booked as a codeshare i.e. an AA flight number, then the EQM/RDM calculations would be performed as if the flight was taken on American. I flew last week from SAN to LHR on BA metal in F. The trip was booked on AA.COM and had an AA PNR and flight number. I made sure I had my AAdvantage mileage number on the booking and a few days ago, the miles showed up in my account. The EQM total was 10,970 which is correct as I was in discounted F so there was a 2x multiplier to the base miles of 5485 miles. (Multiplier would have only been 1.5 if I had booked on BA.COM) however the RDM amount credited to my account looks wrong. It shows that the calculation was distance based (should have been $ based as this was a code share) and even the distance based calculation looks wrong to me in that I got the base 5485 miles plus a bonus of what looks to be 90% of the base, for a total of 10,422 miles.
The one way fare including the BA surcharge, less taxes and fees was $2,622 and as Im AA Gold, the calculation should have been 7x 2,622 for a total of 18,384, so it looks like I'm short by almost 8,000 miles. It will be even worse on the way home if they apply the distance calculation as I crossed the Platinum threshold on the way out, so I would expect the multiplier to be 8x, so I will lose out on an additional 2,622 miles.
Should I have been credited using the AA fare calc, or the distance based calc?
I was under the impression that if booked as a codeshare i.e. an AA flight number, then the EQM/RDM calculations would be performed as if the flight was taken on American. I flew last week from SAN to LHR on BA metal in F. The trip was booked on AA.COM and had an AA PNR and flight number. I made sure I had my AAdvantage mileage number on the booking and a few days ago, the miles showed up in my account. The EQM total was 10,970 which is correct as I was in discounted F so there was a 2x multiplier to the base miles of 5485 miles. (Multiplier would have only been 1.5 if I had booked on BA.COM) however the RDM amount credited to my account looks wrong. It shows that the calculation was distance based (should have been $ based as this was a code share) and even the distance based calculation looks wrong to me in that I got the base 5485 miles plus a bonus of what looks to be 90% of the base, for a total of 10,422 miles.
The one way fare including the BA surcharge, less taxes and fees was $2,622 and as Im AA Gold, the calculation should have been 7x 2,622 for a total of 18,384, so it looks like I'm short by almost 8,000 miles. It will be even worse on the way home if they apply the distance calculation as I crossed the Platinum threshold on the way out, so I would expect the multiplier to be 8x, so I will lose out on an additional 2,622 miles.
Should I have been credited using the AA fare calc, or the distance based calc?
Dec 29, 2016, 10:11 am
#3192
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 655
I'm looking to fly from NYC to Zurich on a AA 767. Is there any way to see what kind of 767 this will be? (https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Am...MCE_V2_new.php - looks like some have angled seats and some have lie flats).
On a similar note, would I have to buy main cabin extra if I wanted to use a SWU to get into business?
Edit: Google Flights said it was a 767, but American's website says its a 763.
On a similar note, would I have to buy main cabin extra if I wanted to use a SWU to get into business?
Edit: Google Flights said it was a 767, but American's website says its a 763.
Dec 29, 2016, 10:36 am
#3193
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Not here; there!
Programs: AA Lifetime Gold
Posts: 29,586
I'm looking to fly from NYC to Zurich on a AA 767. Is there any way to see what kind of 767 this will be? (https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Am...MCE_V2_new.php - looks like some have angled seats and some have lie flats).
On a similar note, would I have to buy main cabin extra if I wanted to use a SWU to get into business?
Edit: Google Flights said it was a 767, but American's website says its a 763.
On a similar note, would I have to buy main cabin extra if I wanted to use a SWU to get into business?
Edit: Google Flights said it was a 767, but American's website says its a 763.
Dec 29, 2016, 10:56 am
#3194
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: San Antonio
Programs: DL DM, Former AA EXP now AY Plat, AC 75K, NW Plat, Former CO Gold, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Titanium
Posts: 27,042
Regarding flying on a partner and distance based....
I was under the impression that if booked as a codeshare i.e. an AA flight number, then the EQM/RDM calculations would be performed as if the flight was taken on American. I flew last week from SAN to LHR on BA metal in F. The trip was booked on AA.COM and had an AA PNR and flight number. I made sure I had my AAdvantage mileage number on the booking and a few days ago, the miles showed up in my account. The EQM total was 10,970 which is correct as I was in discounted F so there was a 2x multiplier to the base miles of 5485 miles. (Multiplier would have only been 1.5 if I had booked on BA.COM) however the RDM amount credited to my account looks wrong. It shows that the calculation was distance based (should have been $ based as this was a code share) and even the distance based calculation looks wrong to me in that I got the base 5485 miles plus a bonus of what looks to be 90% of the base, for a total of 10,422 miles.
The one way fare including the BA surcharge, less taxes and fees was $2,622 and as Im AA Gold, the calculation should have been 7x 2,622 for a total of 18,384, so it looks like I'm short by almost 8,000 miles. It will be even worse on the way home if they apply the distance calculation as I crossed the Platinum threshold on the way out, so I would expect the multiplier to be 8x, so I will lose out on an additional 2,622 miles.
Should I have been credited using the AA fare calc, or the distance based calc?
I was under the impression that if booked as a codeshare i.e. an AA flight number, then the EQM/RDM calculations would be performed as if the flight was taken on American. I flew last week from SAN to LHR on BA metal in F. The trip was booked on AA.COM and had an AA PNR and flight number. I made sure I had my AAdvantage mileage number on the booking and a few days ago, the miles showed up in my account. The EQM total was 10,970 which is correct as I was in discounted F so there was a 2x multiplier to the base miles of 5485 miles. (Multiplier would have only been 1.5 if I had booked on BA.COM) however the RDM amount credited to my account looks wrong. It shows that the calculation was distance based (should have been $ based as this was a code share) and even the distance based calculation looks wrong to me in that I got the base 5485 miles plus a bonus of what looks to be 90% of the base, for a total of 10,422 miles.
The one way fare including the BA surcharge, less taxes and fees was $2,622 and as Im AA Gold, the calculation should have been 7x 2,622 for a total of 18,384, so it looks like I'm short by almost 8,000 miles. It will be even worse on the way home if they apply the distance calculation as I crossed the Platinum threshold on the way out, so I would expect the multiplier to be 8x, so I will lose out on an additional 2,622 miles.
Should I have been credited using the AA fare calc, or the distance based calc?
Dec 29, 2016, 10:57 am
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