Aug 17, 2015, 9:59 am
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NOTE: Discussion here is for the Boeing 777-200ERs refitted with the Zodiac "Concept D" Business Suite (forward and aft facing seats) only.
See the (unofficial) American Fleet Site list for configuration by registration numbers here.
Forward facing seats are overlooked by rear facing occupants across the aisle
Forward facing seats have one armrest (aisle side of seat)
Rear facing seats do not have armrests leading to a "bathtub" effect
Rear facing seats are preferred by many fliers for greater shoulder space
Forward facing seats require use of a shoulder strap in addition to the seat lap belt during takeoff and landing operations
Seat 1A is blocked for pilot rest on flights > 8 hours.
Seats 7A and 7L have restricted views (window blank)
Seats 1A, 1D, 1H, 7A, 7L, 10A, and 10L are not coupled to neighbouring seats and are reported to be less susceptible to "rocking" and "knocking"
Seats 10D and 10H are overlooked by occupants in 13B and 13J respectively.
Seats 5A and 6L are overlooked by galley occupants
Seats 10A and 10L are close to Premium Economy bassinets
Cabin overhead storage bins are capacious and when closed give the aircraft a more open, spacious feel.
In-suite storage is minimal, consisting of a niche with "fence" capable of holding a mobile phone connected to one of the two USB ports and a small area below seat level capable of holding a water bottle and small item. (two 110V AC with a "universal" plug socket is also provided.)
The area under the footrest (too small to be called an ottoman) might be able to store a purse or small item.
General fit and finish has been described as fair at best, with some gaps, misfits, etc.
IFE is AVOD and operates from a hand control. The spacious screen is hinged and can not be tilted vertically.
WiFi is Panasonic satellite international WiFi
Bang & Olufsen noise reducing headsets are provided in Business Class; these are retrieved by crew about an hour prior to landing.
A self-service snack bar is set up in the galley for Business class.
Lavatories seem more open and spacious, and offer higher volume sink basins.
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See the (unofficial) American Fleet Site list for configuration by registration numbers here.
Forward facing seats are overlooked by rear facing occupants across the aisle
Forward facing seats have one armrest (aisle side of seat)
Rear facing seats do not have armrests leading to a "bathtub" effect
Rear facing seats are preferred by many fliers for greater shoulder space
Forward facing seats require use of a shoulder strap in addition to the seat lap belt during takeoff and landing operations
Seat 1A is blocked for pilot rest on flights > 8 hours.
Seats 7A and 7L have restricted views (window blank)
Seats 1A, 1D, 1H, 7A, 7L, 10A, and 10L are not coupled to neighbouring seats and are reported to be less susceptible to "rocking" and "knocking"
Seats 10D and 10H are overlooked by occupants in 13B and 13J respectively.
Seats 5A and 6L are overlooked by galley occupants
Seats 10A and 10L are close to Premium Economy bassinets
Cabin overhead storage bins are capacious and when closed give the aircraft a more open, spacious feel.
In-suite storage is minimal, consisting of a niche with "fence" capable of holding a mobile phone connected to one of the two USB ports and a small area below seat level capable of holding a water bottle and small item. (two 110V AC with a "universal" plug socket is also provided.)
The area under the footrest (too small to be called an ottoman) might be able to store a purse or small item.
General fit and finish has been described as fair at best, with some gaps, misfits, etc.
IFE is AVOD and operates from a hand control. The spacious screen is hinged and can not be tilted vertically.
WiFi is Panasonic satellite international WiFi
Bang & Olufsen noise reducing headsets are provided in Business Class; these are retrieved by crew about an hour prior to landing.
A self-service snack bar is set up in the galley for Business class.
Lavatories seem more open and spacious, and offer higher volume sink basins.
Related threads
Aircraft guide: Which 777-200ER / 772 / 777? (As of 11 Dec 2018)
772 Refitted 777-200ER B/E Aerospace Super Diamond Business Seat / Seats
Best 772 Zodiac J Refitted 777-200ER MCE and Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
Best 772 B/E Aerospace J Refitted 777-200ER MCE & Economy / Coach Seat / Seats
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Jul 19, 2019, 9:02 am
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I love 7L and recall one missing window but there still is another window you can stretch to see out of.....the only weird thing was kind of being able to see the person across the aisle.
Aug 7, 2019, 11:16 am
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Are These Seats Connected?
Can I check I have something right, please? We are booked on AA69 MAD-MIA. I believe the aircraft on this route normally have the Zodiac seats. The pair of us generally like to sit "up front" so I have chosen seats 1L and 2L in the belief that these two are connected, so if there's any "rocking", it will be coming from one of us, which is something we can cope with! My partner is happy to be facing backwards in 1L.
Our return is on AA36, DFW-MAD and my experience is that this is normally operated by aircraft with all forward-facing seats. I have booked 1L and 2L on this flight too. We have had these seats before and are quite happy with them.
Our return is on AA36, DFW-MAD and my experience is that this is normally operated by aircraft with all forward-facing seats. I have booked 1L and 2L on this flight too. We have had these seats before and are quite happy with them.
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Aug 7, 2019, 11:39 am
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Can I check I have something right, please? We are booked on AA69 MAD-MIA. I believe the aircraft on this route normally have the Zodiac seats. The pair of us generally like to sit "up front" so I have chosen seats 1L and 2L in the belief that these two are connected, so if there's any "rocking", it will be coming from one of us, which is something we can cope with! My partner is happy to be facing backwards in 1L.
Our return is on AA36, DFW-MAD and my experience is that this is normally operated by aircraft with all forward-facing seats. I have booked 1L and 2L on this flight too. We have had these seats before and are quite happy with them.
Our return is on AA36, DFW-MAD and my experience is that this is normally operated by aircraft with all forward-facing seats. I have booked 1L and 2L on this flight too. We have had these seats before and are quite happy with them.
The important thing is you are happy with your seats no matter what config you end up with. It seems you're both happy with 1L and 2L regardless of config, so you should be good to go.
Aug 7, 2019, 11:47 am
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On 772 routes there's no guarantee you will have one config or the other. Some routes can favor one or the other, depending on aircraft positioning, etc., however past performance is no guarantee of future results.
The important thing is you are happy with your seats no matter what config you end up with. It seems you're both happy with 1L and 2L regardless of config, so you should be good to go.
The important thing is you are happy with your seats no matter what config you end up with. It seems you're both happy with 1L and 2L regardless of config, so you should be good to go.
Oct 10, 2019, 8:16 pm
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Booked last second next week on one of these. I can't figure out which is best to book not knowing in advance which plane it will be. Just went with 7A and hope for best.
Oct 10, 2019, 8:44 pm
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Nov 20, 2019, 2:51 pm
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Nov 25, 2019, 5:43 pm
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Wow. There is so much great information here but its exhausting.
Group of three flying a 772 in J. We don't care if we are all over the cabin. I have us currently in 7 A, L and 10 A. I know the simple answer is those will not rock but with tons of caveats regarding proximity to Y/PE or the galley etc.
Here's what I want to know. Are there any middle seats free from the rocking issue at all where we could snag a pair and then the nearest aisle seat that also doesn't rock - or should we just stay put?
Also has any of the rocking trouble been resolved or are the odds of landing B/E vs. Zodiac unchanged? TIA
Group of three flying a 772 in J. We don't care if we are all over the cabin. I have us currently in 7 A, L and 10 A. I know the simple answer is those will not rock but with tons of caveats regarding proximity to Y/PE or the galley etc.
Here's what I want to know. Are there any middle seats free from the rocking issue at all where we could snag a pair and then the nearest aisle seat that also doesn't rock - or should we just stay put?
Also has any of the rocking trouble been resolved or are the odds of landing B/E vs. Zodiac unchanged? TIA
Nov 25, 2019, 10:33 pm
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Wow. There is so much great information here but its exhausting.
Group of three flying a 772 in J. We don't care if we are all over the cabin. I have us currently in 7 A, L and 10 A. I know the simple answer is those will not rock but with tons of caveats regarding proximity to Y/PE or the galley etc.
Here's what I want to know. Are there any middle seats free from the rocking issue at all where we could snag a pair and then the nearest aisle seat that also doesn't rock - or should we just stay put?
Also has any of the rocking trouble been resolved or are the odds of landing B/E vs. Zodiac unchanged? TIA
Group of three flying a 772 in J. We don't care if we are all over the cabin. I have us currently in 7 A, L and 10 A. I know the simple answer is those will not rock but with tons of caveats regarding proximity to Y/PE or the galley etc.
Here's what I want to know. Are there any middle seats free from the rocking issue at all where we could snag a pair and then the nearest aisle seat that also doesn't rock - or should we just stay put?
Also has any of the rocking trouble been resolved or are the odds of landing B/E vs. Zodiac unchanged? TIA
Nov 26, 2019, 7:17 am
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Appreciate this. The first row has 1 D, H, and L. A is blocked or taken. I now realize that looking at the seat guru layout you can determine the seats visually which are connected at the head and that explains everything.
Dec 2, 2019, 7:38 am
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I purchased business class on a 77W, then few months back, the 77W was swapped for a 772. I'm dreading my forward-facing window seat (good, but not as good as a 77W) being turned into a backward-facing rocking chair. A couple of questions:
1) Has anyone successfully done a same day change in business class when a Zodiac plane was swapped in for an originally scheduled 77W (using the international equipment swap clause in the CoC)?
2) Is there any update on the rocking issue (N795AN in particular)?
1) Has anyone successfully done a same day change in business class when a Zodiac plane was swapped in for an originally scheduled 77W (using the international equipment swap clause in the CoC)?
2) Is there any update on the rocking issue (N795AN in particular)?