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Speculation: Future changes to AAdvantage program? (Consolidated thread)
Please update as any concrete information becomes available.
Please update as any concrete information becomes available.
This situation changed with JonNYC's revelations here and on travelingbetter.com on November 5, 2015. Please see the current thread, 2016 AAdvantage Program Changes for further discussion. This speculation thread has now been archived.
Q. What do we know at this point?
Nothing.
Q. When would a change occur?
We don't know.
Q. Will there be changes?
We don't know.
Q. Are there clues?
Mr. Parker stated there would be no changes for 2015.
Mr. Parker said he'd not be averse to using others' ideas if they worked.
28 Sep 2015: AA spokesperson Laura Nedbal to Gary Leff:
"If we were to issue changes like this we would be certain to give plenty of advanced notice."
Mr. Parker said he'd not be averse to using others' ideas if they worked.
28 Sep 2015: AA spokesperson Laura Nedbal to Gary Leff:
"If we were to issue changes like this we would be certain to give plenty of advanced notice."
ARCHIVE: Speculation: Future changes to AAdvantage program? (Consolidated)
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Something like that comes up, how can you not ask for more information and clarification about what she meant.
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Somebody misunderstood somebody (I'm thinking a little of both, actually) - she was trying to tell you that after 10/17, all upgrades for Plat and Gold would require stickers, even on pmUS routes/metal. NOT that EXP UDU benefit was going away.
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No, it is effective 10/17, not after 10/17.
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I will have enough AAdvantage miles for an F award next year. Will they by any chance have devalued the award chart by early January, or do they usually give a few weeks notice?
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FWIW, viewfromthewing postulates that it's already too late (or rapidly, rapidly becoming) for certain, major 2016 changes:
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....based-in-2016/
Something I generally agree with in principal.
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There was absolutely zero notice when AA eliminated explorer awards and added tiers to anytime awards a few years ago. What would stop AA from sending out another email tomorrow saying "we've made some more changes" and doubling all partner award redemptions, for example? Nothing. No reason at all to trust this new regime.
And I know you're far more connected than anyone here. Just saying I don't trust LCC management at all at this point.
And I know you're far more connected than anyone here. Just saying I don't trust LCC management at all at this point.
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There was absolutely zero notice when AA eliminated explorer awards and added tiers to anytime awards a few years ago. What would stop AA from sending out another email tomorrow saying "we've made some more changes" and doubling all partner award redemptions, for example? Nothing. No reason at all to trust this new regime.
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In all fairness, AAdvantage has been a profitable program since most elites have to pay for stickers to upgrades while DL and UA have complimentary upgrades (though they are more rare of course, but still, elites don't pay for "stickers"). Perhaps that's why they are not in a rush to change it... they recently implemented that on flights under 500 miles non-EXP/CK will get complimentary upgrades; they know that the vast majority of elites on most flights will still be paying for upgrades so that's how AA compensates for not having a revenue-based program because again, most elites are already spending a lot more for upgrades, e.g., a flight of 2,100 miles at $175 one-way will require an additional $150 (5 stickers x $30 each) spend for Gold and Platinum Elites.
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In all fairness, AAdvantage has been a profitable program since most elites have to pay for stickers to upgrades while DL and UA have complimentary upgrades (though they are more rare of course, but still, elites don't pay for "stickers"). Perhaps that's why they are not in a rush to change it... they recently implemented that on flights under 500 miles non-EXP/CK will get complimentary upgrades; they know that the vast majority of elites on most flights will still be paying for upgrades so that's how AA compensates for not having a revenue-based program because again, most elites are already spending a lot more for upgrades, e.g., a flight of 2,100 miles at $175 one-way will require an additional $150 (5 stickers x $30 each) spend for Gold and Platinum Elites.
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... that the vast majority of elites on most flights will still be paying for upgrades so that's how AA compensates for not having a revenue-based program because again, most elites are already spending a lot more for upgrades, e.g., a flight of 2,100 miles at $175 one-way will require an additional $150 (5 stickers x $30 each) spend for Gold and Platinum Elites.
I won't ever buy stickers. I'll happily upgrade using the ones I earn from flying, but would never think about buying additional ones.
None of the domestic first class products on UA, DL, AA are worth paying anything for (outside of the NYC - SFO/LAX runs).
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How do you come to the conclusion that "most elites are already spending a lot for upgrades?"
I won't ever buy stickers. I'll happily upgrade using the ones I earn from flying, but would never think about buying additional ones.
None of the domestic first class products on UA, DL, AA are worth paying anything for (outside of the NYC - SFO/LAX runs).
I won't ever buy stickers. I'll happily upgrade using the ones I earn from flying, but would never think about buying additional ones.
None of the domestic first class products on UA, DL, AA are worth paying anything for (outside of the NYC - SFO/LAX runs).
If the companion upgrade clears (and it would clear with the EXP) - many times the cost of the stickers exceed the cost of the original ticket. And the stickers are not taken until you check in at the airport.
So if you do DCA-DFW-LAX RT - that is 12 stickers or $360. The ticket many times is less than that amount - so you are really paying more like $700 for the RT ticket. Sometimes it likely pays just to by the F ticket.
If you buy a ticket on aa.com as EXP and have someone else in your PNR, the system automatically puts both you and the companion on the wait list. I guess you need to call and separate the PNR if you don't want to upgrade the companion or cancel that upgrade at the check in counter.
Now who is going to do that - cancel their companion's upgrade at the airport? (you pay up)
And if you don't have enough stickers in your account, you have to buy them at a higher price at the counter.
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How do you come to the conclusion that "most elites are already spending a lot for upgrades?"
I won't ever buy stickers. I'll happily upgrade using the ones I earn from flying, but would never think about buying additional ones.
None of the domestic first class products on UA, DL, AA are worth paying anything for (outside of the NYC - SFO/LAX runs).
I won't ever buy stickers. I'll happily upgrade using the ones I earn from flying, but would never think about buying additional ones.
None of the domestic first class products on UA, DL, AA are worth paying anything for (outside of the NYC - SFO/LAX runs).
Regards
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Except that the product worth paying stickers for is now long gone, having been replaced by something that is, one a rare good day, maybe on par with DL and UA. On a 1005 mile flight, why would I ever pay the Y fare, then buy $90 worth of stickers to maybe upgrade, when I can go to DL and purchase a guaranteed F fare for $60 more than AA is charging for Y? This is a scenario I run into very often.
Check out what they spend consumers' money on:
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DL is a dumb airline that keeps cutting ff benefits and instead of spending these money on their flyers they spend it on dumb TV commercials to brainwash consumers about how cool they are. So dumb.
Check out what they spend consumers' money on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDiClstYtuc
Check out what they spend consumers' money on:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDiClstYtuc
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And how is your opinion on DL marketing in any way relevant? I don't really care how they choose to spend their money. If I can purchase their F product (superior to AA's in many ways now) cheaper than buying AA Y and stickers to get a shot at F, what would possess me to choose the latter option?



