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ARCHIVE: KVS Availability Tool - AA & AADV
Jan 2, 2012, 4:45 pm
#76
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Looks like a system connectivity issue on IB's end. Their own engine is currently reporting CS0 and the [Awards/BA-OneWorld] Engine is also showing no Award Availability on the ORD flight.
However, there are 4 CS Seats ex-JFK:
[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Amadeus: Awards/BA-OneWorld]
However, there are 4 CS Seats ex-JFK:
[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Amadeus: Awards/BA-OneWorld]
Code:
CHI Chicago Metro IL US = ORD MDW MAD Madrid Barajas ES [LEMD] WED 18 Jul 2012 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive St Availability --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------ AA 358 ORD 16:00 LGA 19:30 FS2 YS6 -> IB 6258 JFK 22:15 MAD 11:30 +1 CS4 YS1
Do you still have the same problem affecting display?
Note I did an Amadeus Oneworld search, not an Amadeus, BA-oneworld search
if it matters
Jan 2, 2012, 6:56 pm
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Looking for award availability in J or F DFW to BKK and see availability (the DFW to NRT leg is below then the DFW-BKK route just below that. It looks to me that there is availability but it is not seen by the AA agent. I'm using the Amadeus: Awards/CX search, should I be using a different search method? Recommendations appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!
For AA Award Availability, please use the [Awards/OneWorld] or [Awards/BA-OneWorld] Methods:
http://Help.KVSTool.com/#AwardUpgradeClasses_OneWorld
[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Amadeus: Awards/BA-OneWorld]
Code:
DFW Dallas Metro / Dallas/Fort Worth TX US = DFW DAL [KDFW] BKK Bangkok Suvarnabhumi Intl TH [VTBS] WED 08 Feb 2012 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive St Availability --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------ AA 61 DFW 11:45 NRT 16:15 +1 YS7 -> JL 33 HND 00:15 +2 BKK 05:20 +2 YS4 AA 2338 DFW 10:35 ORD 12:50 YS7 -> CX 807 ORD 14:20 HKG 20:20 +1 YS9 -> CX 709 HKG 21:40 +1 BKK 23:35 +1 YS9 AA 2338 DFW 10:35 ORD 12:50 YS7 -> CX 807 ORD 14:20 HKG 20:20 +1 YS9 -> CX 755 HKG 22:25 +1 BKK 00:20 +2 YS9 AA 2336 DFW 09:35 ORD 11:55 YS7 -> CX 807 ORD 14:20 HKG 20:20 +1 YS9 -> CX 709 HKG 21:40 +1 BKK 23:35 +1 YS9
Jan 2, 2012, 7:08 pm
#78
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[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Amadeus: Awards/BA-OneWorld]
Code:
MAD Madrid Barajas ES [LEMD]
CHI Chicago Metro IL US = ORD MDW
THU 02 Aug 2012
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ---------------------
No Award Availability
Jan 3, 2012, 8:30 pm
#79
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Welcome to the KVS Tool, wandertheglobe!
The [Awards/CX] Method is actually for CX flights only. Since you have specified a route that CX does not serve, it seems to be be showing regular (i.e. non-Award availability) on interline flights.
For AA Award Availability, please use the [Awards/OneWorld] or [Awards/BA-OneWorld] Methods:
http://Help.KVSTool.com/#AwardUpgradeClasses_OneWorld
[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Amadeus: Awards/BA-OneWorld]
The [Awards/CX] Method is actually for CX flights only. Since you have specified a route that CX does not serve, it seems to be be showing regular (i.e. non-Award availability) on interline flights.
For AA Award Availability, please use the [Awards/OneWorld] or [Awards/BA-OneWorld] Methods:
http://Help.KVSTool.com/#AwardUpgradeClasses_OneWorld
[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Amadeus: Awards/BA-OneWorld]
Code:
DFW Dallas Metro / Dallas/Fort Worth TX US = DFW DAL [KDFW] BKK Bangkok Suvarnabhumi Intl TH [VTBS] WED 08 Feb 2012 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive St Availability --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------ AA 61 DFW 11:45 NRT 16:15 +1 YS7 -> JL 33 HND 00:15 +2 BKK 05:20 +2 YS4 AA 2338 DFW 10:35 ORD 12:50 YS7 -> CX 807 ORD 14:20 HKG 20:20 +1 YS9 -> CX 709 HKG 21:40 +1 BKK 23:35 +1 YS9 AA 2338 DFW 10:35 ORD 12:50 YS7 -> CX 807 ORD 14:20 HKG 20:20 +1 YS9 -> CX 755 HKG 22:25 +1 BKK 00:20 +2 YS9 AA 2336 DFW 09:35 ORD 11:55 YS7 -> CX 807 ORD 14:20 HKG 20:20 +1 YS9 -> CX 709 HKG 21:40 +1 BKK 23:35 +1 YS9
I do have a follow up question though.
When I do the BA search I get the result posted below (for the DFW-NRT route) with a "OneWorld Cabins searched: none" comment. What does that mean? I thought this method would search all of the listed OneWorld carriers or is that for something else? Thanks again!
[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Amadeus: Awards/BA-OneWorld]
Code:
DFW Dallas Metro / Dallas/Fort Worth TX US = DFW DAL [KDFW] NRT Tokyo Narita JP [RJAA] WED 08 Feb 2012 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive St Availability --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------------ BA 192 DFW 16:45 LHR 07:30 +1 FS3 CS9 WS9 YS9 -> BA 5 LHR 12:25 +1 NRT 09:15 +2 FS4 CS9 WS9 YS9
Last edited by wandertheglobe; Jan 3, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Jan 4, 2012, 7:32 am
#80
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I do have a follow up question though.
When I do the BA search I get the result posted below (for the DFW-NRT route) with a "OneWorld Cabins searched: none" comment. What does that mean? I thought this method would search all of the listed OneWorld carriers or is that for something else? Thanks again!
When I do the BA search I get the result posted below (for the DFW-NRT route) with a "OneWorld Cabins searched: none" comment. What does that mean? I thought this method would search all of the listed OneWorld carriers or is that for something else? Thanks again!
Jan 4, 2012, 5:48 pm
#81
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I do have a follow up question though.
When I do the BA search I get the result posted below (for the DFW-NRT route) with a "OneWorld Cabins searched: none" comment. What does that mean? I thought this method would search all of the listed OneWorld carriers or is that for something else? Thanks again!
When I do the BA search I get the result posted below (for the DFW-NRT route) with a "OneWorld Cabins searched: none" comment. What does that mean? I thought this method would search all of the listed OneWorld carriers or is that for something else? Thanks again!
Please use the [Awards/OneWorld] Method instead:
[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Amadeus: Awards/OneWorld/AU-QFA-SP1]
Code:
DFW Dallas Metro / Dallas/Fort Worth TX US = DFW DAL [KDFW] TYO Tokyo Metro JP = NRT HND WED 08 Feb 2012 | 1 Seat Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive St Availability --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------------ AA 175 DFW 09:35 NRT 14:05 +1 0 FS- CS- WS/ YS+ AA 61 DFW 11:45 NRT 16:15 +1 0 FS+ CS- WS/ YS+ AA 2332 DFW 09:00 ORD 11:20 0 FS+ CS- WS/ YS- -> AA 153 ORD 12:20 NRT 16:30 +1 0 AA 2328 DFW 07:35 ORD 10:00 0 FS+ CS- WS/ YS+ -> AA 153 ORD 12:20 NRT 16:30 +1 0 AA 2324 DFW 06:45 ORD 09:10 0 FS+ CS- WS/ YS+ -> AA 153 ORD 12:20 NRT 16:30 +1 0 AA 2320 DFW 05:45 ORD 08:10 0 FS+ CS- WS/ YS+ -> AA 153 ORD 12:20 NRT 16:30 +1 0 AA 50 DFW 18:35 LHR 09:35 +1 0 FS+ CS+ WS+ YS+ -> BA 5 LHR 12:25 +1 NRT 09:15 +2 0 BA 192 DFW 16:45 LHR 07:30 +1 0 FS+ CS+ WS+ YS+ -> BA 5 LHR 12:25 +1 NRT 09:15 +2 0
Jan 4, 2012, 10:57 pm
#82
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: MSP
Posts: 63
All-Partner Award Availability Question
How do I find availability for AA All-Partner awards? I used KVS Availability tool to look for CX award availability in first or business class (FS or CS), put together the flights I wanted, called up AA and they said none of those were available, they might be available through CX, but I can't book them with AA miles for an All-Partner award. I've been reading through these forums and the KVS forums, but I've become quite confused by fare codes and what counts for who's award. So my questions ...
1.) Is there a way to search AA availability of CX flights and if so, what is the right way to do it? I.e., in KVS, do I look for availability Z U or F J or are there other fare codes I should be looking for?
2.) In general, should there be availability between the US (I'm in MSP, so I figure just find the best flights between SFO, LAX or YVR and the connections would work out) to HKG-SIN in April? They were only able to find a flight for us on one day on the way there. Is that poor availability normal for CX booking through AA?
3.) Should I be using a different tool to look for availability?
Thanks in advance for your help with this. I put a lot of time into the research and prep to make this reservation, but it turns out I was totally confused about what to look for with regards to flight availability for All-Partner rewards. I'd like to call back with at least some sense of what's going on
1.) Is there a way to search AA availability of CX flights and if so, what is the right way to do it? I.e., in KVS, do I look for availability Z U or F J or are there other fare codes I should be looking for?
2.) In general, should there be availability between the US (I'm in MSP, so I figure just find the best flights between SFO, LAX or YVR and the connections would work out) to HKG-SIN in April? They were only able to find a flight for us on one day on the way there. Is that poor availability normal for CX booking through AA?
3.) Should I be using a different tool to look for availability?
Thanks in advance for your help with this. I put a lot of time into the research and prep to make this reservation, but it turns out I was totally confused about what to look for with regards to flight availability for All-Partner rewards. I'd like to call back with at least some sense of what's going on
Jan 4, 2012, 11:19 pm
#83
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Just use JL or BA sites - sign up a FF account and use their search engine for free.
The only caveat is JL would not allow search within the window of 7 days to departure - so for that period you would need to use the more cumbersome BA site.
Otherwise, piece of cake except you have to do the work yourself instead of having some alerts set.
Keep in mind, there are only 6 F seats on the 777, and 9 F seats on the 747 which only flies the YVR and SFO routes - one on each.
CX tends to release their award inventory to partners either 6 or 7 months in advance (or longer), and then when those inventories are gone, there would not be new release until very close to departure, such as 10 to 7 days before departure or even closer.
In fact, booking CX seats using AA miles is EXCELLENT if you can pick up and go, or if you can book 6 months ahead.
If you are looking for April and we are in January, your chance of finding 2 seats are very slim because the first batches of release have been long taken. However if you can wait till very close to your departure date, then your success rate greatly improves.
Since AA does not charge for routing changes provided: 1) the Origin and Destination remain the same, 2) the carrier changes are among OneWorld members, you can book a route that goes thru NRT if you must make sure you would get to Asia in your time frame. Then once CX releases its seats again, you can switch to CX for more direct route.
To illustrate the strategy here is what I have done :
In July I booked a trip to HKG for travel in November - no trouble finding J outbound from ORD, F inbound to YYZ. Had I made up my mind earlier, i.e. book in June, I could have flown from SFO / YVR in F, even the notorious LAX had some availability. Alas, I waited and of course they were all taken. When it got to 10 days before our departure, JFK/YYZ/SFO all opened up but we decided to keep the J from ORD so we could be for sure to try the new business seats.
In December I booked a trip to HKG again, this time for departure in January. I had to settle for routing thru NRT - both AA and JL had availability. One week after ticketing, CX opened up LAX J to HKG and I switched. Since then, I saw SFO had F available thru out December but not for January as we are getting towards Chinese New Year. However, J from LAX on the 11:25 AM flight has plenty of availability on Jan 19, 21, 22 and 23 - Jan 19 has been there for weeks, the rest of dates just popped up 2 days ago. PLENTY, like 4 seats available on JL site, BA site does not even specify quantity - when that is the case, chances are there are more than 4 which seems to be JL site's limit.
Finally, search this forum there is an ongoing thread discussing CX availability and you should find loads of useful information there to help you secure the seats.
The only caveat is JL would not allow search within the window of 7 days to departure - so for that period you would need to use the more cumbersome BA site.
Otherwise, piece of cake except you have to do the work yourself instead of having some alerts set.
Keep in mind, there are only 6 F seats on the 777, and 9 F seats on the 747 which only flies the YVR and SFO routes - one on each.
CX tends to release their award inventory to partners either 6 or 7 months in advance (or longer), and then when those inventories are gone, there would not be new release until very close to departure, such as 10 to 7 days before departure or even closer.
In fact, booking CX seats using AA miles is EXCELLENT if you can pick up and go, or if you can book 6 months ahead.
If you are looking for April and we are in January, your chance of finding 2 seats are very slim because the first batches of release have been long taken. However if you can wait till very close to your departure date, then your success rate greatly improves.
Since AA does not charge for routing changes provided: 1) the Origin and Destination remain the same, 2) the carrier changes are among OneWorld members, you can book a route that goes thru NRT if you must make sure you would get to Asia in your time frame. Then once CX releases its seats again, you can switch to CX for more direct route.
To illustrate the strategy here is what I have done :
In July I booked a trip to HKG for travel in November - no trouble finding J outbound from ORD, F inbound to YYZ. Had I made up my mind earlier, i.e. book in June, I could have flown from SFO / YVR in F, even the notorious LAX had some availability. Alas, I waited and of course they were all taken. When it got to 10 days before our departure, JFK/YYZ/SFO all opened up but we decided to keep the J from ORD so we could be for sure to try the new business seats.
In December I booked a trip to HKG again, this time for departure in January. I had to settle for routing thru NRT - both AA and JL had availability. One week after ticketing, CX opened up LAX J to HKG and I switched. Since then, I saw SFO had F available thru out December but not for January as we are getting towards Chinese New Year. However, J from LAX on the 11:25 AM flight has plenty of availability on Jan 19, 21, 22 and 23 - Jan 19 has been there for weeks, the rest of dates just popped up 2 days ago. PLENTY, like 4 seats available on JL site, BA site does not even specify quantity - when that is the case, chances are there are more than 4 which seems to be JL site's limit.
Finally, search this forum there is an ongoing thread discussing CX availability and you should find loads of useful information there to help you secure the seats.
Last edited by Happy; Jan 4, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Jan 5, 2012, 1:47 pm
#84
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Thanks. That clears up a lot of my confusion about availability. I appreciate the help.
Jan 5, 2012, 6:32 pm
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How do I find availability for AA All-Partner awards? I used KVS Availability tool to look for CX award availability in first or business class (FS or CS), put together the flights I wanted, called up AA and they said none of those were available, they might be available through CX, but I can't book them with AA miles for an All-Partner award. I've been reading through these forums and the KVS forums, but I've become quite confused by fare codes and what counts for who's award. So my questions ...
1.) Is there a way to search AA availability of CX flights and if so, what is the right way to do it? I.e., in KVS, do I look for availability Z U or F J or are there other fare codes I should be looking for?
1.) Is there a way to search AA availability of CX flights and if so, what is the right way to do it? I.e., in KVS, do I look for availability Z U or F J or are there other fare codes I should be looking for?
CX is notorious for its system issues when it comes to Award Availability. While CX Award Availability is supported via 4 different engines in the KVS Tool, the data from the recently-introduced [Awards/JL-OneWorld] Method is the most authoritative and will match the actual Availability that AADV and other OneWorld partner agents are seeing.
Please see http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Classes for details on the CX Award Booking Classes, and/or post the specific flight #s/dates in question.
Jan 5, 2012, 9:07 pm
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Join Date: Jan 2012
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From Happy's suggestion and from the KVS FAQ I used JL to look for CX award availability.
The first agent couldn't find the flights I found in KVS so I wasn't sure if I could trust the tool, but I called back and the second agent was able to find some, but not all of the flights I saw through KVS.
On the outbound flight I was looking for ORD-HKG-SIN on April 6, 2011. To me, it looks like I can get 2 coach seats ORD-HKG and then I get 2 business class seats on HKG-SIN leaving HKG at 07:55.
[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Axess: Awards/JL-OneWorld]
ORD Chicago O'Hare Intl IL US [KORD]
SIN Singapore Changi SG [WSSS]
FRI 06 Apr 2012
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- -------------
CX 807 ORD 15:25 HKG 20:00 +1 77D 0 FS0 CS0 YS4
-> CX 691 HKG 07:55 +2 SIN 11:45 +2 34B 0 FS/ CS4 YS4
But the rep only sees a 20:00 flight from HKG with coach availability, no business class. I did a search on just the HKG-SIN on April 8th (+2 from the 6th) and I see plenty of coach availability, but no business class.
[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Axess: Awards/JL-OneWorld]
HKG Hong Kong Intl HK [VHHH]
SIN Singapore Changi SG [WSSS]
SUN 08 Apr 2012
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------
CX 691 HKG 07:55 SIN 11:45 34B 0 YS4
CX 759 HKG 08:55 SIN 12:30 330 0 YS4
CX 713 HKG 08:55 SIN 15:10 773 1 YS0
CX 739 HKG 11:20 SIN 15:05 773 0 YS4
CX 735 HKG 14:20 SIN 18:00 773 0 YS0
CX 635 HKG 15:25 SIN 19:10 330 0 YS0
CX 711 HKG 16:20 SIN 20:00 773 0 YS0
CX 715 HKG 20:00 SIN 23:45 330 0 YS4
Is the inconsistency just part of CX awards on AA? Or is there something specific I need to get the agent to do to see availability on the flight that I see through KVS / JL Awards? Or am I just misunderstanding what these tables mean?
Again, thanks for the help. I've now managed to get flights to the right cities on the right days. Now I just have to work on getting rid of 24 hours in HK and find some business or first class seats along the way
The first agent couldn't find the flights I found in KVS so I wasn't sure if I could trust the tool, but I called back and the second agent was able to find some, but not all of the flights I saw through KVS.
On the outbound flight I was looking for ORD-HKG-SIN on April 6, 2011. To me, it looks like I can get 2 coach seats ORD-HKG and then I get 2 business class seats on HKG-SIN leaving HKG at 07:55.
[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Axess: Awards/JL-OneWorld]
ORD Chicago O'Hare Intl IL US [KORD]
SIN Singapore Changi SG [WSSS]
FRI 06 Apr 2012
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- -------------
CX 807 ORD 15:25 HKG 20:00 +1 77D 0 FS0 CS0 YS4
-> CX 691 HKG 07:55 +2 SIN 11:45 +2 34B 0 FS/ CS4 YS4
But the rep only sees a 20:00 flight from HKG with coach availability, no business class. I did a search on just the HKG-SIN on April 8th (+2 from the 6th) and I see plenty of coach availability, but no business class.
[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Axess: Awards/JL-OneWorld]
HKG Hong Kong Intl HK [VHHH]
SIN Singapore Changi SG [WSSS]
SUN 08 Apr 2012
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------
CX 691 HKG 07:55 SIN 11:45 34B 0 YS4
CX 759 HKG 08:55 SIN 12:30 330 0 YS4
CX 713 HKG 08:55 SIN 15:10 773 1 YS0
CX 739 HKG 11:20 SIN 15:05 773 0 YS4
CX 735 HKG 14:20 SIN 18:00 773 0 YS0
CX 635 HKG 15:25 SIN 19:10 330 0 YS0
CX 711 HKG 16:20 SIN 20:00 773 0 YS0
CX 715 HKG 20:00 SIN 23:45 330 0 YS4
Is the inconsistency just part of CX awards on AA? Or is there something specific I need to get the agent to do to see availability on the flight that I see through KVS / JL Awards? Or am I just misunderstanding what these tables mean?
Again, thanks for the help. I've now managed to get flights to the right cities on the right days. Now I just have to work on getting rid of 24 hours in HK and find some business or first class seats along the way
Jan 5, 2012, 9:52 pm
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From Happy's suggestion and from the KVS FAQ I used JL to look for CX award availability.
The first agent couldn't find the flights I found in KVS so I wasn't sure if I could trust the tool, but I called back and the second agent was able to find some, but not all of the flights I saw through KVS.
On the outbound flight I was looking for ORD-HKG-SIN on April 6, 2011. To me, it looks like I can get 2 coach seats ORD-HKG and then I get 2 business class seats on HKG-SIN leaving HKG at 07:55.
[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Axess: Awards/JL-OneWorld]
But the rep only sees a 20:00 flight from HKG with coach availability, no business class. I did a search on just the HKG-SIN on April 8th (+2 from the 6th) and I see plenty of coach availability, but no business class.
[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Axess: Awards/JL-OneWorld]
Is the inconsistency just part of CX awards on AA? Or is there something specific I need to get the agent to do to see availability on the flight that I see through KVS / JL Awards? Or am I just misunderstanding what these tables mean?
Again, thanks for the help. I've now managed to get flights to the right cities on the right days. Now I just have to work on getting rid of 24 hours in HK and find some business or first class seats along the way
The first agent couldn't find the flights I found in KVS so I wasn't sure if I could trust the tool, but I called back and the second agent was able to find some, but not all of the flights I saw through KVS.
On the outbound flight I was looking for ORD-HKG-SIN on April 6, 2011. To me, it looks like I can get 2 coach seats ORD-HKG and then I get 2 business class seats on HKG-SIN leaving HKG at 07:55.
[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Axess: Awards/JL-OneWorld]
Code:
ORD Chicago O'Hare Intl IL US [KORD] SIN Singapore Changi SG [WSSS] FRI 06 Apr 2012 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------- CX 807 ORD 15:25 HKG 20:00 +1 77D 0 FS0 CS0 YS4 -> CX 691 HKG 07:55 +2 SIN 11:45 +2 34B 0 FS/ CS4 YS4
[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Axess: Awards/JL-OneWorld]
Code:
HKG Hong Kong Intl HK [VHHH] SIN Singapore Changi SG [WSSS] SUN 08 Apr 2012 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------ CX 691 HKG 07:55 SIN 11:45 34B 0 YS4 CX 759 HKG 08:55 SIN 12:30 330 0 YS4 CX 713 HKG 08:55 SIN 15:10 773 1 YS0 CX 739 HKG 11:20 SIN 15:05 773 0 YS4 CX 735 HKG 14:20 SIN 18:00 773 0 YS0 CX 635 HKG 15:25 SIN 19:10 330 0 YS0 CX 711 HKG 16:20 SIN 20:00 773 0 YS0 CX 715 HKG 20:00 SIN 23:45 330 0 YS4
Again, thanks for the help. I've now managed to get flights to the right cities on the right days. Now I just have to work on getting rid of 24 hours in HK and find some business or first class seats along the way
[KVS Availability Tool 6.8.1/Diamond - Axess: Awards/JL-OneWorld]
Code:
HKG Hong Kong Intl HK [VHHH] SIN Singapore Changi SG [WSSS] SUN 08 Apr 2012 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------ CX 691 HKG 07:55 SIN 11:45 34B 0 CS4 YS4 CX 759 HKG 08:55 SIN 12:30 330 0 CS4 YS4 CX 713 HKG 08:55 SIN 15:10 773 1 CS4 YS0 CX 739 HKG 11:20 SIN 15:05 773 0 CS4 YS4 CX 735 HKG 14:20 SIN 18:00 773 0 CS2 YS0 CX 635 HKG 15:25 SIN 19:10 330 0 CS3 YS0 CX 711 HKG 16:20 SIN 20:00 773 0 CS4 YS0 CX 715 HKG 20:00 SIN 23:45 330 0 CS2 YS4
Mar 4, 2012, 4:34 pm
#88
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 51
This might be a stupid question, but ohh well.
So when I search for oneworld economy award it will show YS + or - depending upon the availability.
Now if that flight is an AA only flight, could I in theory be able to search availability of T (AA's economy award class) to see how many of those award seats are available? When I do this, I get nothing for availability in T, but when I search for the same flight in the award availability tab it shows YS + .
I don't need an answer on a specific flight. I just want to know that if AA economy award class is T, why when availability shows under the award tab (YS +), does no availability show under the availability tab in class T for that same search?
Example:
[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.6/Diamond - Galileo: Availability/ETR/JP]
[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.6/Diamond - Amadeus: Awards/OneWorld/AU-QFA-SP1]
So when I search for oneworld economy award it will show YS + or - depending upon the availability.
Now if that flight is an AA only flight, could I in theory be able to search availability of T (AA's economy award class) to see how many of those award seats are available? When I do this, I get nothing for availability in T, but when I search for the same flight in the award availability tab it shows YS + .
I don't need an answer on a specific flight. I just want to know that if AA economy award class is T, why when availability shows under the award tab (YS +), does no availability show under the availability tab in class T for that same search?
Example:
[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.6/Diamond - Galileo: Availability/ETR/JP]
Code:
MSP Minneapolis St Paul Intl MN US [KMSP]
CDG Paris Charles De Gaulle FR [LFPG]
SUN 04 Nov 2012
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- --------------------------------
No Matching Flights/Availability
Code:
MSP Minneapolis St Paul Intl MN US [KMSP] CDG Paris Charles De Gaulle FR [LFPG] SUN 04 Nov 2012 | 2 Seats Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive St Availability --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------------ AA 1683 MSP 11:15 DFW 13:45 0 FS- CS- WS/ YS+ -> AA 48 DFW 17:05 CDG 09:30 +1 0 AA 1112 MSP 08:45 DFW 11:15 0 FS+ CS- WS/ YS- -> AA 48 DFW 17:05 CDG 09:30 +1 0
Last edited by jd1006; Mar 4, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Mar 4, 2012, 5:01 pm
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This might be a stupid question, but ohh well.
So when I search for oneworld economy award it will show YS + or - depending upon the availability.
Now if that flight is an AA only flight, could I in theory be able to search availability of T (AA's economy award class) to see how many of those award seats are available? When I do this, I get nothing for availability in T, but when I search for the same flight in the award availability tab it shows YS + .
I don't need an answer on a specific flight. I just want to know that if AA economy award class is T, why when availability shows under the award tab (YS +), does no availability show under the availability tab in class T for that same search?
So when I search for oneworld economy award it will show YS + or - depending upon the availability.
Now if that flight is an AA only flight, could I in theory be able to search availability of T (AA's economy award class) to see how many of those award seats are available? When I do this, I get nothing for availability in T, but when I search for the same flight in the award availability tab it shows YS + .
I don't need an answer on a specific flight. I just want to know that if AA economy award class is T, why when availability shows under the award tab (YS +), does no availability show under the availability tab in class T for that same search?
http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Classes
If you would like to see the exact number of available Economy Award Seats (T/YS), you can use the [Awards/BA-OneWorld] Method (or the technique described at http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Q6):
[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.6/Diamond - Amadeus: Awards/BA-OneWorld]
Code:
MSP Minneapolis St Paul Intl MN US [KMSP] DFW Dallas Metro / Dallas/Fort Worth TX US = DFW DAL [KDFW] SUN 04 Nov 2012 Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive St Availability --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------ AA 2389 MSP 07:15 DFW 09:55 FS3 YS7 AA 1112 MSP 08:45 DFW 11:15 FS3 AA 1683 MSP 11:15 DFW 13:45 FS1 YS7 AA 1220 MSP 14:00 DFW 16:30 FS3 AA 669 MSP 16:45 DFW 19:20 FS3 YS7 AA 461 MSP 18:15 DFW 20:50 FS3 YS7
Mar 16, 2012, 9:08 am
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Data Source Errors
Some Award searches I have saved under My Trips aren't working anymore (they were working yesterday). I couldn't find what the errors mean on the KVS site.
For Awards/OneWorld, I get Data Source Error[R]: "(Engine Error) FF Account Issue"
For Awards/JL-OneWorld I get Data Source Error[RD-3]: "Unsupported Route / Engine Error"
I have 6.9.6 with a diamond membership.
For Awards/OneWorld, I get Data Source Error[R]: "(Engine Error) FF Account Issue"
For Awards/JL-OneWorld I get Data Source Error[RD-3]: "Unsupported Route / Engine Error"
I have 6.9.6 with a diamond membership.