AA goes after UA elites and status matching up to EXP
Apr 29, 2012, 10:17 pm
#151
Join Date: Mar 2012
Programs: AA EXP MM/UA MM/Marriott PLT Premier-LT PLT
Posts: 383
The biggest issue is we all feel lied and betryaed to it is almost like ua was daring us to leave. This was done through changes to the mm program, check in and boarding procedures, meal preferances, general dilution to united clubs and security access, and finally upgrades. While the new chances of upgrade on ua is less than before, depending on route it was still good, well over 50 percent for me. So that ratio. Is a whole lot better than 0 on
AA without swus or miles to upgrade.
AA without swus or miles to upgrade.
Apr 29, 2012, 10:25 pm
#152
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Austin, TX
Programs: AA LT Plat, UA 1k/1mm+, National EE, IC Plat, Bonvoy Gold
Posts: 2,605
The biggest issue is we all feel lied and betryaed to it is almost like ua was daring us to leave. This was done through changes to the mm program, check in and boarding procedures, meal preferances, general dilution to united clubs and security access, and finally upgrades. While the new chances of upgrade on ua is less than before, depending on route it was still good, well over 50 percent for me. So that ratio. Is a whole lot better than 0 on
AA without swus or miles to upgrade.
AA without swus or miles to upgrade.
Apr 29, 2012, 10:44 pm
#153
Join Date: Mar 2012
Programs: AA EXP MM/UA MM/Marriott PLT Premier-LT PLT
Posts: 383
I think this is a major part of it. A great deal of the ua flyers think internationally which is where my equation works. If international is say 50 percent in UA and without an swu it is 0 on aa, what gives the better chance of not sitting in y. Now add the swus and the equation dramatically flips which is why aa is giving the swus. And unternational is the segment they are targeting
Apr 29, 2012, 11:11 pm
#154
Join Date: Jul 2011
Programs: AA EXP; HH Diamond
Posts: 191
As long as the new EXPs use the SWUs for themselves, not gift or "gift" them.
Apr 30, 2012, 5:38 am
#155
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Austin, TX
Programs: AA LT Plat, UA 1k/1mm+, National EE, IC Plat, Bonvoy Gold
Posts: 2,605
I think this is a major part of it. A great deal of the ua flyers think internationally which is where my equation works. If international is say 50 percent in UA and without an swu it is 0 on aa, what gives the better chance of not sitting in y. Now add the swus and the equation dramatically flips which is why aa is giving the swus. And unternational is the segment they are targeting
And on the other 50% of your flying (the domestic portion) you will have a nearly 100% upgrade rate, which is a world of difference relative to wha most of you are seeing on UA right now.
And never mind that the transition period wouldn't even be that long before you would earn SWUs. The fact that nobody wants to put skin in the game is telling.
Apr 30, 2012, 6:19 am
#157
Join Date: Mar 2012
Programs: AA EXP MM/UA MM/Marriott PLT Premier-LT PLT
Posts: 383
[QUOTE=AAExPlat:18484601]
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I think we do have skin in the game because at least in my travel (ord based) uniteds route structure is superior in most respects to AA so we are trading flexibility in routing and connections for AAs superior customer service, in flight service, and top FF program. Im going to be spending alot more time connecting in DFW and OW partners than before, but thats my choice and willing to do it. But its not a slam dunk and the match enticedn alot of people over that were on the fence.
I think we do have skin in the game because at least in my travel (ord based) uniteds route structure is superior in most respects to AA so we are trading flexibility in routing and connections for AAs superior customer service, in flight service, and top FF program. Im going to be spending alot more time connecting in DFW and OW partners than before, but thats my choice and willing to do it. But its not a slam dunk and the match enticedn alot of people over that were on the fence.
Apr 30, 2012, 7:40 am
#159
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: AUS, LAX
Programs: AA EXP - 2.2 MM, Admirals Club, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Titanium, Avis Presidents, National Exec
Posts: 1,581
I seriously hope AA is doing some diligence in verifying these levels beyond a screenshot. I'm not Photoshop wizard, but in less than 5 minutes, I could take any UAL flier's screenshot and make it say 1K or GS or whatever and change the numbers, etc to make it seem legit.
Apr 30, 2012, 8:52 am
#160
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: New York, NY
Programs: Hyatt GLOB, Marriott Lifetime PLT, UA 1K 1MM.
Posts: 1,728
haha. as a continental platinum flyer, i can't get any love anywhere. the PMUA flyers peg us as smisek apologists no matter what and now it seems the AA flyers aren't happy about me trying to match over... if anyone needs me i'll be hiding in the corner under my security blanket until all this blows over. 
sigh. i just wanted to fly in a comfortable environment and get from point A to B with a smile on my face. not sure how all this got so complicated and anger filled.
sigh. i just wanted to fly in a comfortable environment and get from point A to B with a smile on my face. not sure how all this got so complicated and anger filled.
Apr 30, 2012, 9:01 am
#161
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Austin, TX
Programs: AA LT Plat, UA 1k/1mm+, National EE, IC Plat, Bonvoy Gold
Posts: 2,605
[QUOTE=unhappyflyer;18484738]
No offense, but if you call that "skin in the game", then I don't know what to say. Skin in the game is making a real sacrifice. By definition, none of you are making a real sacrifice because the less convenient routing will be offset by a whole host of advantages that are coming your way.
To give you an idea of what skin in the game means...I (along with many other current EXPs) took a Plat challenge in 2009 because I saw the writing on the wall. I had been flying 200k on CO the year before and had already bagged 100k on CO in 2009 by the time I made the switch.
I then flew AA mostly in coach for 5 months to EARN EXP. No match, no SWUs, no nothing.
The issue that incenses many of us is that most of us EARNED our status and now AA hands out our status like Candy and dilutes the pool of available benefits.
Originally Posted by AAExPlat:18484601
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I think we do have skin in the game because at least in my travel (ord based) uniteds route structure is superior in most respects to AA so we are trading flexibility in routing and connections for AAs superior customer service, in flight service, and top FF program. Im going to be spending alot more time connecting in DFW and OW partners than before, but thats my choice and willing to do it. But its not a slam dunk and the match enticedn alot of people over that were on the fence.
I think we do have skin in the game because at least in my travel (ord based) uniteds route structure is superior in most respects to AA so we are trading flexibility in routing and connections for AAs superior customer service, in flight service, and top FF program. Im going to be spending alot more time connecting in DFW and OW partners than before, but thats my choice and willing to do it. But its not a slam dunk and the match enticedn alot of people over that were on the fence.
To give you an idea of what skin in the game means...I (along with many other current EXPs) took a Plat challenge in 2009 because I saw the writing on the wall. I had been flying 200k on CO the year before and had already bagged 100k on CO in 2009 by the time I made the switch.
I then flew AA mostly in coach for 5 months to EARN EXP. No match, no SWUs, no nothing.
The issue that incenses many of us is that most of us EARNED our status and now AA hands out our status like Candy and dilutes the pool of available benefits.
Apr 30, 2012, 9:03 am
#162
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Michigan
Programs: AA EXP(4mm), DL Gold, UA Gold (1mm), HH Diamond, Bonvoy Amb(l/t Titanium). Former EA/PA elite
Posts: 994
I seriously hope AA is doing some diligence in verifying these levels beyond a screenshot. I'm not Photoshop wizard, but in less than 5 minutes, I could take any UAL flier's screenshot and make it say 1K or GS or whatever and change the numbers, etc to make it seem legit.
Apr 30, 2012, 9:14 am
#163
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Bay Area
Programs: WN A-List, AA good-riddance, Safeway Club Card Extraordinaire
Posts: 3,851
However, I suppose the only people emailing in about this are the ones who oppose it. I'd send one stating that I wholeheartedly support bringing in as many 1K/GS as possible, even if it means giving out SWUs, but I don't really feel it's any of my business.
Apr 30, 2012, 9:19 am
#164
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 523
I doubt that they are doing much diligence. It's clear this "promotion" was not well thought out to begin with. The anger from the existing EXP flyer ranks is growing. I hope some important folks in DFW are gathered around a board room table right now in regrouping mode having the "how do we get all this under control" discussion.