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The AA - US merger was approved by AMR creditors and the boards of directors of both airlines on 13 Feb 2013, and announced the 14th.
There is no further speculation about whether the merger will occur; all that is pending is approval from the bankruptcy court and the regulatory authorities.
American Airlines and US Airways approve merger: just the facts, please outlines the facts we know;
AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement Discussion (consolidated) is the thread for discussion of the announced merger.
The AA - US merger was approved by AMR creditors and the boards of directors of both airlines on 13 Feb 2013, and announced the 14th.
There is no further speculation about whether the merger will occur; all that is pending is approval from the bankruptcy court and the regulatory authorities.
American Airlines and US Airways approve merger: just the facts, please outlines the facts we know;
AA - US Merger Agreement / Announcement Discussion (consolidated) is the thread for discussion of the announced merger.
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I have no idea what's surprising about this. Judges prefer negotiated settlements to issuing verdicts in commercial disputes all the time.
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The Miami Herald:
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Really if you think about it the Judge has to strike down the agreements. If he did not then he would put American in the position of living with there contracts and trying to compete with Delta and United who had their contracts rejected. In the end that would cost American all their jobs as opposed to just the ones proposed in the bankruptcy.
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The problem with the last statement is that if AA wants to join in consolidation there are not a lot of alternatives. B6, AS, F9 (assuming those airlines would even entertain an AA offer) do nothing to bring in very lucrative International travel while USAir would at least help AA plug some of its European gaps.
Theoretically a merger with a OW partner would make the most sense but its doubtful that foreign ownership rules would be relaxed.
AA missed the boat with NW and now its got to settle for a much less desirable choice.
Theoretically a merger with a OW partner would make the most sense but its doubtful that foreign ownership rules would be relaxed.
AA missed the boat with NW and now its got to settle for a much less desirable choice.
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Couple of thoughts about the above:
1. Eagle has relatively litttle market value, as it has one customer and the vast majority of its fleet consists of 50 seats or less. And the highest wage costs of any regional. Delta was able to sell ASA for a few hundred million dollars in its desperate attempt raise cash prior to its bankruptcy, but was unable to find a buyer for Comair, and that was seven years ago, when the economics of 50-seaters didn't suck anywhere near as much as today. If Eagle could have been sold, Arpey would have done it two or three years ago when he first talked about it.
2. With over $5 billion in cash now, AA has pretty good liquidity. Perhaps AMR could sell Eagle for a few million dollars, but that wouldn't make a whit of difference to AMR's total liquidity. Compared to most bankrupt airlines in the past, AA already has very stable finances.
3. I doubt that AA's POR will provide much (if any) cash to the unsecured creditors; instead, the unsecured creditors will have to be satisfied with the newly issued stock in AMR. Based upon previous bankruptcies of UA and DL, that stock may be "valued" at several billion dollars the day the POR is confirmed. IIRC, none of the other airlines paid any significant amount of cash to the unsecured creditors upon confirmation of their POR.
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This is the same airline that charged my brother, who was on active duty orders and in uniform, to transport his armour to/from base not once or twice, but seven times - all whilst ignoring heir own policies to waive the fees for military personnel on orders. You can imagine the field day I had each and every time I had to blast them for charging members of the military hundreds of bucks to move their equipment across the country and across the globe. That's all I'll say OT.
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This is the same airline that charged my brother, who was on active duty orders and in uniform, to transport his armour to/from base not once or twice, but seven times - all whilst ignoring heir own policies to waive the fees for military personnel on orders. You can imagine the field day I had each and every time I had to blast them for charging members of the military hundreds of bucks to move their equipment across the country and across the globe. That's all I'll say OT.
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DoD has special carrier contracts w/ DL, WN and I think AA. That's mostly why. Besides, grunts like my brother don't make the big bucks fighting in war. The excess baggage/weight charges were sometimes equivalent to his paycheque.
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It is a stipulation in DoD contracts. Military pays modified full Y fares - they can be changed w/o fees, they are not eligible for F instant upgrades and when traveling in official status (orders) they are not charged checked in baggage fees. That was my experience over 24 years of military travel.
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Back on topic, please. There is an existing thread here to discuss military, excess baggage charges and AA. And, we have an entire forum for DL-related issues.
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Last edited by JDiver; May 29, 2012 at 9:44 am Reason: expand