NH*G Complimentary Upgrade to Premium Economy to end 3/31/2019!!!
Nov 20, 2018, 10:18 pm
#1
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Join Date: May 2009
Location: LA, NY, SG, TK
Programs: ANA Diamond+SFC+1MM (NH*G), Hyatt Globalist, HHonors Diamond, IHG Spire Ambassador, Penn Club of NY
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NH*G Complimentary Upgrade to Premium Economy to end 3/31/2020!!!
https://www.ana.co.jp/en/jp/amc/news...EMM180652mif_e
https://www.ana.co.jp/en/jp/amc/promo/py_upgrade/
This will be a huge devaluation of a generous ANA Diamond, Platinum, and SuperFlyer benefit that provided complimentary upgrades to Premium Economy, at check-in when seats were available.
Starting April, 2020, ANA Diamond, Platinum, and SuperFlyers will be able to upgrade from Economy to Premium Economy using miles or upgrade points, pretty much at half the threshold necessary to upgrade to Business. Unfortunately, it appears that ANA will not provide a miles or upgrade points discount to those attempting to upgrade from a Premium Economy fare to Business.
All details included in the link above.
This will surely spark some debate amongst angry NH loyalists!!!
https://www.ana.co.jp/en/jp/amc/promo/py_upgrade/
This will be a huge devaluation of a generous ANA Diamond, Platinum, and SuperFlyer benefit that provided complimentary upgrades to Premium Economy, at check-in when seats were available.
Starting April, 2020, ANA Diamond, Platinum, and SuperFlyers will be able to upgrade from Economy to Premium Economy using miles or upgrade points, pretty much at half the threshold necessary to upgrade to Business. Unfortunately, it appears that ANA will not provide a miles or upgrade points discount to those attempting to upgrade from a Premium Economy fare to Business.
All details included in the link above.
This will surely spark some debate amongst angry NH loyalists!!!
Last edited by ANAStarFlyer; Nov 20, 2018 at 10:47 pm Reason: Type-o
Nov 20, 2018, 11:27 pm
#3
Join Date: Dec 2010
Programs: SPG
Posts: 19
you didn't? how do you use it? it is always quite a lot seat when you do the web check in and you can choose the PY if you are a diamond, Platinum or SFC. which route you usually fly?
Nov 21, 2018, 12:53 am
#4
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Programs: ANA SFC (*G)
Posts: 529
I am Platinum and I have never ever got the possibility to upgrade to PY on NRT/HND - BKK or Shanghai... I must be unlucky
Nov 21, 2018, 6:11 pm
#5
Join Date: Jun 2004
Programs: UA
Posts: 239
I’m a PLT and will be DIA next year and I’m not liking this. Truth be told I usually buy PY anyway but the couple of times where I bought Y it was nice to be able to get PY.
By removing this perk it means two things to me:
1. They’ll really market the hell out of the new program for people to bid to upgrade to PY. It’s an additional revenue stream. Frankly it’s not a good product other than the seat. Compared to other true PY it’s just not that good.
2. They may improve PY, and they’re protecting it.
I hope they’ll enhance benefits next year as a concession for taking this way. I don’t recall their having made any changes that the elites have liked for quite some time.
I have not compared NH against JL. Does anyone have any insight into any changes that JL will be making? Thanks.
By removing this perk it means two things to me:
1. They’ll really market the hell out of the new program for people to bid to upgrade to PY. It’s an additional revenue stream. Frankly it’s not a good product other than the seat. Compared to other true PY it’s just not that good.
2. They may improve PY, and they’re protecting it.
I hope they’ll enhance benefits next year as a concession for taking this way. I don’t recall their having made any changes that the elites have liked for quite some time.
I have not compared NH against JL. Does anyone have any insight into any changes that JL will be making? Thanks.
Nov 21, 2018, 7:25 pm
#6
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Tokyo
Programs: ANA: SFC / Marriott: Platinum Elite / Hilton: Diamond
Posts: 77
It's always been a wishy-washy benefit because there are no guarantees. I wonder if it caused more anguish than pleasure for people like you who had the benefit dangled in front of them but were never able to take advantage of it because of route demographics. I wish they would replace it with something a little more substantial like a guaranteed premium economy upgrade certificate that can be used once or twice a year, but at the time of booking, not at the last minute.
Nov 21, 2018, 7:30 pm
#7
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Tokyo
Programs: ANA: SFC / Marriott: Platinum Elite / Hilton: Diamond
Posts: 77
I guess JL doesn't need to change anything - they never offered complimentary PY upgrades, and instead of them having to offer it to compete, ANA has helpfully met them at the bottom.
Nov 21, 2018, 9:17 pm
#8
Join Date: Jun 2017
Location: Tokyo, Japan
Programs: ANA SFC (*G)
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It's always been a wishy-washy benefit because there are no guarantees. I wonder if it caused more anguish than pleasure for people like you who had the benefit dangled in front of them but were never able to take advantage of it because of route demographics. I wish they would replace it with something a little more substantial like a guaranteed premium economy upgrade certificate that can be used once or twice a year, but at the time of booking, not at the last minute.
What? Can you tell me other airlines PY better than ANA??? IMHO ANA has a super solid PY better than US or European airlines
Nov 22, 2018, 6:34 am
#9
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Tokyo
Programs: ANA: SFC / Marriott: Platinum Elite / Hilton: Diamond
Posts: 77
Honestly, it depends on what metric you're using for comparison. In terms of seat width ANA is great. On the other hand, I'm not happy with the amount of recline, and I think the huge legroom delta between bulkhead and non-bulkhead is too much for seats in the same fare bucket. Seat guru has a chart listing various PY metrics like width and pitch, and ANA comes in somewhere around the middle.
Nov 23, 2018, 2:50 pm
#11
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It's always been a wishy-washy benefit because there are no guarantees. I wonder if it caused more anguish than pleasure for people like you who had the benefit dangled in front of them but were never able to take advantage of it because of route demographics. I wish they would replace it with something a little more substantial like a guaranteed premium economy upgrade certificate that can be used once or twice a year, but at the time of booking, not at the last minute.
This is pure speculation, but hopefully ANA will improve PY to further differentiate the product with the introduction of Boeing 777-X's, of which they have 20 ordered. B777X's are scheduled to enter service in December, 2019, so fits ANA's schedule of eliminating complimentary PY for elites in April, 2020.
And if you recall, the current gen PY seats were introduced in 2010 alongside ANA's Inspiration of Japan slogan, which overhauled C from Club ANA Super Style lie-flats to Staggered flat-beds and renovated F slightly for more privacy. PY introduction was delayed because there were some manufacturing issues with the original seat design, which looked more spacious and private than what we have today, which is only a marginal improvement over the first-gen PY seats. Crossing my fingers...
Nov 24, 2018, 1:54 am
#13
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Tokyo
Programs: ANA: SFC / Marriott: Platinum Elite / Hilton: Diamond
Posts: 77
I'm wondering if that's why my waitlisted upgrade from PY to J went through at the gate on a HND-BKK the other night. I.e. A diamond demanding a PY upgrade and their clearing me forward at the last minute to make space for him.
Nov 29, 2018, 12:55 am
#14
Join Date: Dec 2010
Programs: SPG
Posts: 19
but the other route I flown they didn't have PY, like NRT - BKK, HKG, CAN
Nov 29, 2018, 1:00 am
#15
Join Date: Dec 2010
Programs: SPG
Posts: 19
if you online check in HKG - NRT flight, then you are not able to see the PY seat for NRT - LAX flight.