Some 77Ws to get 3-4-3 layout in Y (rumor confirmed)
Mar 18, 2014, 12:02 pm
#33
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Not true...at one time 5* airlines could not have 10 abreast on B777s. Looks like Skytrax is reviewing this, but cabin comfort is definitely a criteria.
http://www.airlinequality.com/StarRa...arcriteria.htm
http://www.airlinequality.com/StarRa...arcriteria.htm
Mar 18, 2014, 3:48 pm
#34
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This is absurd. The population of people who can afford long haul international travel is getting fatter, not slimmer! I really think (hope) there will be so much push-back that the airlines can't afford this for 8+ hour flights.
Mar 18, 2014, 9:15 pm
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I tell coworkers thinking of flying Emirates that I'd choose another airline (and I do, when possible), because as nice as the EK service/entertainment etc is, the seats are noticeably and uncomfortably narrow. I'm not a big guy at all, nor were the people next to me, but I felt like I had to either press shoulders against the guy next to me, or be banged in other shoulder by people squeezing down the (also narrower) aisle. I'll take a UA 777 flight any day over that.
Another issue is the underseat spaces don't line up, though this may already be an issue if it's really 2-4-3 today? On the EK 777s, the center section tracks work well for 3 or 5 seats, but with 4 you end up with 2 very narrow spaces on the end, a bracket in the middle of the aisle footspace, and 2 "shared" open sections that I didn't feel comfortable putting my small backpack in because it intruded on the guy next to me.
The only way to get people to push back is to make sure they're aware that it doesn't have to be this way...
Mar 27, 2014, 10:36 pm
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Once the reconfig of the other 5 non-IOJ 77W completed, I predict they will use these 3-4-3 config 77W on IAD/CDG, 2nd ORD, and 2nd JFK.
This is only March, NH usually update seat map a month to departure, then when you go to seat selection, it will say there is a change of aircraft in progress.
Last edited by ORDnHKG; Mar 27, 2014 at 10:55 pm
Mar 27, 2014, 11:25 pm
#39
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Mar 27, 2014, 11:51 pm
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The old airline jet cabin seat width established with the Boeing 707 was allegedly based on the body frame of 6 US military personnel who were born in the great Depression and reached adulthood in World War II where you had food rationing.
These seats are the perfect recipe for DVT - Deep Vein Thrombosis. Seat size should be set by safety and health standards and not economics.
My body frame is not all that wide, but those 1950's seat widths should be ruled un-safe and un-healthy.
Mar 27, 2014, 11:53 pm
#41
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The only high-density 77W with 3-4-3 confirmed to be currently operating is JA783A, which is currently operating to US destinations (IAD, ORD, LAX, SFO).
Apr 3, 2014, 9:17 pm
#43
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Whatever inclination I had to consider switching to NH has completely disappeared. Even if JL matches this and goes to 3-4-3, JL at least offers reasonable premium economy fares, whereas NH PY fares are often close to J.
Apr 4, 2014, 9:03 am
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Apr 6, 2014, 12:34 pm
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