Just Missing 75K
#16
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Just looking at it all, I was at 63K+ before this last AS calculation, and I was waiting for the last posting on the return trip thinking I only need less than 12K so it shouldn't be a problem. And they only credited me with less than 10K EQM miles for the return trip. It's got to be wrong.
#17
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Just looking at it all, I was at 63K+ before this last AS calculation, and I was waiting for the last posting on the return trip thinking I only need less than 12K so it shouldn't be a problem. And they only credited me with less than 10K EQM miles for the return trip. It's got to be wrong.
1. part for class of service bonus
2 part tied to your status bonus
3. round up to 500 miles if flight less
it looks like on return flight the first leg was 3.75 And 2nd was a 2.75 multiplier
thst 3.75 and 2.75 is equal to class and airline status. Only class of service counts for EQM.
like in that bonus last year where status bonus counted as EQM ( I think it’s a promo on California flights now) you book as an MVP (2.5 multiplier) a lo class first tick earning 50% class bonus a flight booked would earn you 1.5 *1.5 = 2.25:multiplier for status miles.
Last edited by djp98374; Nov 10, 2022 at 11:28 am
#18
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Flight Nos. AA2904, AA240, BA551, BA287.
Miles Bonus Total
1465 2564 4029 AA2904
5613 15436 21049 AA240
898 3368 4266 BA551
5368 14762 20130 BA287
Thank you so much.
Miles Bonus Total
1465 2564 4029 AA2904
5613 15436 21049 AA240
898 3368 4266 BA551
5368 14762 20130 BA287
Thank you so much.
those miles are close to webflyer. 896 and 5350 is what they have for your return. 1460 and 5600 for outbound
Mileage Calculator - WebFlyer :: The Frequent Flyer Authority
I use this to estimate mileage if I need to check for making status with flight plans on flight routes I have not done before so I have prior mileage. Ive seen what AS has on booking web site different than whats posted to account.
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#20
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Some time ago I estimated my yearend balance at appr 2400 mi short of threshold but now i just checked and it seems to be off by 3500 ish.. either I miscalculated or some sort of partner earning sweep reduced previous numbers (I did have ba, ay flts in business earlier this year and they had rebooting irrops etc so fare buckets were hard to sort out).. Basically need a different run to close the gap now..
#21
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Also, BA boarding passes dont always show the actual booking class, they often just show the class of service. In your case, Club Europe and Club World or often merely showing J even though you might actually be booked in one of the other booking classes for business. You need to look at your actual booking receipt or ticket to be sure of your fare class.
#22
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Reconciling your figures, I arrived at what was posted to your account.
There does appear to be an anomoly. If anything, you were either given an additional 5,613 RDM miles on the DFW-FCO segment or you were shorted 1465 RDM miles on the SFO-DFW segment. I will explain further later.
Neither would affect the EQM earned on the entire itinerary. The total EQM you would have earned is 20,915; Outbound, 10,618, Inbound 10,297.
AS Mileage activity only shows how many RDM were earned on the flight. It doesn't "account" for EQM. Base Miles are derived from the flight distance flown the percentage of miles earned for the fare class flown. For higher Main fare classes, Business fare classes and First Class fare classes that is always 100%. It is important to make the distinction since fares that earn less than 100% will show the Base Miles less than distance flown. Any bonuses are a multiple of the "base miles" not the miles flown.
If we look at you first segment, SFO-DFW, the miles flown was 1465 which is also your base since the fare class earns 100%. The bonus is a lump sum of the 50% COS, 733 & 125% 75K Elite Bonus, 1831 = 2564. The base & bonus = 4029 RDM.
Wait a minute! Why is the 50% COS bonus included in the bonus? That is because COS is both EQM & RDM. AS accounts for the RDM from the COS bonus but nowhere does it account for and say that you earned 1465 Base + 733 50% COS for a total of 2,198 EQM on the segment. That total is just added to your status progress as a lump sum. Unless you record your EQM progress after every segment posts, you cant immediately tell where the EQM is coming from. Any errors or omissions aren't easily determined and you need someone to do a deconstruction analysis.
Getting back to the anomoly. I think you should have earned an additional 100% RDM bonus on the SFO-DFW segment. This is where the flight number comes into play You said you purchased the itinerary from BA. From my experience, BA would have sold you their BA marketed codeshare flights, BA, operated by AA. Your second segment, which I highlighted in blue in the chart, was actually posted according to the BA charts since J fares earn an additional 100% RDM bonus and that reconciles with the earnings posted to Mileage Plan.
Although you flew on AA metal and AA's prime flight number was AA204, I suspect that if you go back and look at your BA confirmation letter, you would see that your flight was actually BA1627. BA is the marketing carrier and earnings will be based on the BA charts; who operated the flight is irrelevant when the carriers are all oneworld.
I would akso check to see what flight number you were booked on for the SFO-DFW segment. If that is also a BA flight number, I would contact AS to make the adjustment as you were shorted 1465 RDM.
James
#23
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Wow. Thank you so much for this explanation and the chart. That really helps.
So I then called AS and they had credited me 250% for the FCO-LHR leg but not 250% for the LHR-SFO leg. I called British Airways and two hours later they confirmed I was C class on FCO-LHR and J class on LHR-SFO, but they wouldn't send me any confirmation! What?! After all that. Being transferred around and put on hold and finally getting the info I wanted, the agent said to email [email protected]. I have the BA boarding passes, but they don't show any fare class that I can see. Unlike the AA boarding passes that show it clearly.
So now I'm going to send a copy of the BA boarding passes to AS as is with an explanation and see if they'll credit me the 250% for the LHR-SFO leg. I will also email BA, but I've never had good luck with them. Still trying to get credit from them for a BA flight in 2021 they switched on me from Biz to PE.
So I then called AS and they had credited me 250% for the FCO-LHR leg but not 250% for the LHR-SFO leg. I called British Airways and two hours later they confirmed I was C class on FCO-LHR and J class on LHR-SFO, but they wouldn't send me any confirmation! What?! After all that. Being transferred around and put on hold and finally getting the info I wanted, the agent said to email [email protected]. I have the BA boarding passes, but they don't show any fare class that I can see. Unlike the AA boarding passes that show it clearly.
So now I'm going to send a copy of the BA boarding passes to AS as is with an explanation and see if they'll credit me the 250% for the LHR-SFO leg. I will also email BA, but I've never had good luck with them. Still trying to get credit from them for a BA flight in 2021 they switched on me from Biz to PE.
#24
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You can kind of tell if it’s J/C/D or I/R class booking by cost, if you paid less than $4-5k RT it’s likely I/R class for Sfo to lhr then J lhr to fco. Kind of rough but that’s been approximately the prices lately.
Last edited by olouie; Nov 11, 2022 at 2:39 pm
#25
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Wow. Thank you so much for this explanation and the chart. That really helps.
So I then called AS and they had credited me 250% for the FCO-LHR leg but not 250% for the LHR-SFO leg. I called British Airways and two hours later they confirmed I was C class on FCO-LHR and J class on LHR-SFO, but they wouldn't send me any confirmation! What?! After all that. Being transferred around and put on hold and finally getting the info I wanted, the agent said to email [email protected]. I have the BA boarding passes, but they don't show any fare class that I can see. Unlike the AA boarding passes that show it clearly.
So now I'm going to send a copy of the BA boarding passes to AS as is with an explanation and see if they'll credit me the 250% for the LHR-SFO leg. I will also email BA, but I've never had good luck with them. Still trying to get credit from them for a BA flight in 2021 they switched on me from Biz to PE.
So I then called AS and they had credited me 250% for the FCO-LHR leg but not 250% for the LHR-SFO leg. I called British Airways and two hours later they confirmed I was C class on FCO-LHR and J class on LHR-SFO, but they wouldn't send me any confirmation! What?! After all that. Being transferred around and put on hold and finally getting the info I wanted, the agent said to email [email protected]. I have the BA boarding passes, but they don't show any fare class that I can see. Unlike the AA boarding passes that show it clearly.
So now I'm going to send a copy of the BA boarding passes to AS as is with an explanation and see if they'll credit me the 250% for the LHR-SFO leg. I will also email BA, but I've never had good luck with them. Still trying to get credit from them for a BA flight in 2021 they switched on me from Biz to PE.
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#27
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#28
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Do you have the credit card statements? Depending on the carrier and credit card issuer, it may show right there. (Most of my American Express ticket purchases show this in the detail.)
#29
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I don't think you were actually booked into C on FCO-LHR. We have confirmed that it was either D, C, or J with J being the most likely from my experience.
I would say that it is highly unlikely you were booked into J class on LHR-SFO.
Looking at a return fare FCO-SFO at the end of November in J class.
Firstly, do you see One-Way & Round-Trip - C? C is referring to business class as that is the filter I set on the route. The fare basis all start with J and J is the booking class. These are the base fares (before carrier imposed charges, fees & taxes) for FCO-SFO.
How much was your fare? The cheapest return booked into J class is $7,307. The higher the fare, the lesser the restrictions.
ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM ROUND TRIPS
-TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS
A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS
PERMITTED.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER BA/AA/AY/IB BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 2 IN ANY RULE AND TARIFF.
This fare will combine on a HALF ROUND trip basis meaning you would pay the fare in combination with the fare of the SFO-DFW-FCO component. So, your fare, in this instance, would be $3,653.50 plus the outbound fare plus carrier imposed charges plus fee plus taxes.
If this was a return itinerary booked SFO-FCO in the $2,488 range that was available earlier, the long-haul flights booked into I. R fare class was a little over $3K. Neither of those earn 250% EQM in Mileage Plan.
Other than the anomoly I pointed out, I think you are looking for something that isn't there.
Again, what does your BA confirmation letter show for flight numbers? Did you actually book it with BA? How much was your fare? What are all the screenshots indicating? BA clearly shows the booking class during the booking process. I am trying to assist you but I feel you are being vauge.
James
Last edited by Flying for Fun; Nov 12, 2022 at 12:20 am
#30
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Its well hidden unless you click on flight details for each portion of the flight. If you book like most non frequent fliers and even some frequent fliers, its very likely you will never see the booking class from BA.