Difficulty in partner redemptions

Old Sep 22, 19, 9:00 pm
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Difficulty in partner redemptions

It seems to me that getting partner redemptions for miles is getting harder to come by. I tend to look for F class only which makes it even more scarce.

I've been a member (paid subscription) of an airfare alert web service for about 2 years now. I seem to find better deals for trans con travel on the web service than I find searching for partner redemptions. I'm getting to the point that I only use AK miles on AK airplanes.

What are FT members doing?
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Old Sep 22, 19, 9:06 pm
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International or Domestic?

I tend to get creative* with the 25K domestic F awards.


*3-4 segments when I could fly nonstop, often a mix of AS and AA.
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Old Sep 22, 19, 9:08 pm
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I guess it depends a lot on where you are trying to fly, when you are flying, and how far in advance you look. The program is not as good as when DL was a partner but itís still good in my opinion.
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Old Sep 22, 19, 9:18 pm
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Originally Posted by chillymac View Post
It seems to me that getting partner redemptions for miles is getting harder to come by. I tend to look for F class only which makes it even more scarce
International F first class is decreasing. Nowadays many airlines/routes/aircraft do not have F.
On long haul (newish) aircraft business class seats are better than first class was a a decade or so ago. But today's J meals/drinks not what F was decades ago.
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Old Sep 22, 19, 9:43 pm
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Originally Posted by RAD_PDX View Post
International or Domestic?

I tend to get creative* with the 25K domestic F awards.


*3-4 segments when I could fly nonstop, often a mix of AS and AA.
We like Spain so I am usually looking SFO or LAX to a hub in Europe
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Old Sep 22, 19, 9:59 pm
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We like Spain so I am usually looking SFO or LAX to a hub in Europe
You should be able to get 60K BA J or 70K BA F awards on SFO/LAD-MAD. Even with the high taxes, it should work out to 3-4cpm.
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Old Sep 22, 19, 10:03 pm
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Originally Posted by RAD_PDX View Post
International or Domestic?

I tend to get creative* with the 25K domestic F awards.


*3-4 segments when I could fly nonstop, often a mix of AS and AA.
Are you including a stopover? The one time I want to fly the least number of segments is when I am not earning EQM.

AA does provide some good redemption options domestically and to Mexico & perhaps the Caribbean. 27.5K YLW-SEA-PHX-GDL in F was a good redemption especially with a stopover in PHX that AAdvantage wouldn't allow. 27.5K offset a $1100 fare.

For the OP, Europe is definitely a weak spot, although BA has reduced their surcharges on a lot of routes. QF is pretty scarce but CX/JL offers excellent opportunities.

I still find great value in MP and earning meaningful RDM on a cpm basis is pretty easy.

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Old Sep 22, 19, 10:21 pm
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Are you including a stopover? The one time I want to fly the least number of segments is when I am not earning EQM.

AA does provide some good redemption options domestically and to Mexico & perhaps the Caribbean. 27.5K YLW-SEA-PHX-GDL in F was a good redemption especially with a stopover in PHX that AAdvantage wouldn't allow. 27.5K offset a $1100 fare.

For the OP, Europe is definitely a weak spot, although BA has reduced their surcharges on a lot of routes. QF is pretty scarce but CX/JL offers excellent opportunities.

I still find great value in MP and earning meaningful RDM on a cpm basis is pretty easy.

James
I think I might have to steal your name because I purposely include stopovers, even when I'm not earning EQMs. I only do this in F though so I am enjoying the ride while flying for fun

I usually have to use the multi-city search function and can find things such as PDX-SEA-DCA-STL, all in F for 25K. I've also done it to get routings like ORD-DFW-PDX so I could fly on the AA Dreamliner. If you look for it, you can also find AA's premium transcon offered up at the 25K level.
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Originally Posted by Mwenenzi View Post
International F first class is decreasing. Nowadays many airlines/routes/aircraft do not have F.
This - i believe the only AS partners with F are American, BA, Cathay, Emirates, JAL, Korean (F not bookable with AS miles), and Singapore (not bookable at all). Most of those only have F on a handful of planes on specific routes - Emirates and BA probably have the most F seats, but neither are great redemption options.

For domestic travel, as you mentioned paid tickets are often a better deal than mileage redemptions, and overall AS naturally offers more opportunities and better prices on its own planes than on AA, which is more interested in charging higher rates to its own members than making cheap seats available to partners like AS.
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Old Sep 23, 19, 8:57 am
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F redemptions in general are going by the wayside as carriers retain F only on routes where there is significant paid interest. Behind those redemptions are alliance redemptions and behind that comes AS.
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Those "mixed cabin" partner redemption options on AA, etc. in the premium columns are all garbage. I have never seen ONE that wasn't short / positioning leg F, long leg Y.
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Old Sep 23, 19, 1:17 pm
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Those "mixed cabin" partner redemption options on AA, etc. in the premium columns are all garbage. I have never seen ONE that wasn't short / positioning leg F, long leg Y.
Iíve seen JL NRT-KIX Y, KIX-BKK J, AS SEA-EWR Y BA EWR-LHR J. Iíve booked AA MEX-DFW Y, DFW-SEA F. It does happen. Most of the time itís the way you describe.
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Old Sep 23, 19, 1:38 pm
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This - I believe the only AS partners with F are American, BA, Cathay, Emirates, JAL, Korean (F not bookable with AS miles), and Singapore (not bookable at all). Most of those only have F on a handful of planes on specific routes - Emirates and BA probably have the most F seats, but neither are great redemption options..
QF has first on the, now old, A380's. But not the new B787's. Unsure in QF have F or are selling F on the very old B747's. All QF B747's are due retired(scrapped?) by mid 2020. The B747 is used on SYD-SFO, SYD-HNL and some other routes.
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Those "mixed cabin" partner redemption options on AA, etc. in the premium columns are all garbage. I have never seen ONE that wasn't short / positioning leg F, long leg Y.
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I’ve seen JL NRT-KIX Y, KIX-BKK J, AS SEA-EWR Y BA EWR-LHR J. I’ve booked AA MEX-DFW Y, DFW-SEA F. It does happen. Most of the time it’s the way you describe.
Oh hey.



And now you have. Enjoy. You can now commence complaints about "AS is so cheap they won't open up award F space on a 90/120 minute flight", and this is very true on SEA-SFO/LAX redemptions where you can snag premium class flights on JL/CX- the positioning flight will almost always be in Y, with some rare exceptions (mostly involving E75s where the F/Y ratio is somewhere where AS is willing to allow A inventory to exist). A inventory is super tight on those routes, even 8-9 months in advance. That being said, if you have elite status, you still might spike the F upgrade on that positioning flight (I guess you miss out on that fabulous Alaska Lounge in SEA).

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Old Sep 23, 19, 2:41 pm
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And now you have. Enjoy. You can now commence complaints about "AS is so cheap they won't open up award F space on a 90/120 minute flight", and this is very true on SEA-SFO/LAX redemptions where you can snag premium class flights on JL/CX- the positioning flight will almost always be in Y, with some rare exceptions (mostly involving E75s where the F/Y ratio is somewhere where AS is willing to allow A inventory to exist). A inventory is super tight on those routes, even 8-9 months in advance. That being said, if you have elite status, you still might spike the F upgrade on that positioning flight (I guess you miss out on that fabulous Alaska Lounge in SEA).
Awesome, exactly why I am not too bothered about mixed cabin awards. I would hate to have that redemption unavailable (filtered out) because of the short domestic flight with as few as 8 F seats.

All my JL F redemptions have been from Asia. I don't seem to have any problems finding Saver A space while backtracking on a Mainline transcon from the East Coast. The add-on to Hawaii or Mexico after a NA stopover is usually in Main but I haven't missed an upgrade on any of those yet.

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