oliver2002

Slots for German airports are not a tradeable commodity like for LHR. If you don't use them they go back to the FluKo. More here: http://www.fhkd-speicher.org/

thbe

Yes, the gouvernement credit of EUR 150M is a first lien debt. Then comes gouvernement tax, social security contributions etc.

I'm not sure, if there will be anything left for old debts.

CPH-Flyer

Do you know if TXL is slot constrained at the moment? It is maybe a Google question I should search, but you always seems to have the facts at your finger tips.

oliver2002

I doubt TXL is so constrained that people are offering money to get 'slots'. EW has been able to start new routes at will in the past 4 years.

CPH-Flyer

Not to the level of offering money, but just to the level of being hard to get. But seems not.

Fyd

LH already has a wetlease for 30+ single-aisle AB planes & crews for use with Eurowings. According to German media, they are angling for more planes, crews and slots to quickly grow their LCC-subsidiary.
I'd speculate they'd put those planes/crews on low-cost leisure destinations, similar to what EW is serving now, Southern Europe, Caribbean, SE Asia, ...

oliver2002

There is a considerable tour op market in Germany that a number of leisure oriented carriers like tui, condor, AB/LTU and recently EW bid for. Besides its own dysfunctional structure, the fact that EW started longhaul with 7 leased A332 drove yet another nail in AB's coffin. EW got 7 ex-QR A332 from GECAS on lease , I'm sure GECAS and Aercap are happy to give EW the other AB A332 on lease. But AB will hardly benefit from that, the only advantage is their staff. LH/EW struggled to find decent flight crew for the EW A332 ops.

Travel_wise

Yes, they received a credit from the government. So we will see how long they can proceed flying. however I don't think that they will have to shut down comepletely. Actually they are offering quite cheap deals at the moment, risky though. But quite reasonable for shortterm flights and not too risky in my opinion. Will take the opportunity to purchase a few cheap tickets!

GUWonder

Didn't AB already have enough nails for its coffins to be secured tightly even before EW got all 7 leased A332s in to place? This had seemed to be a carrier that had a coffin with enough nails on hand even 4 years ago.

ralfkrippner

I just visited the EY website: they deleted any reference to AB on the homepage. At least on the german webpage the partnership was featured prominently in the past.

Only reference I could find was under airline partners. This seems unchanged for the moment.

ralfkrippner

Ha! Just saw that airberlin has deleted Etihad also from their webpage. At the bottom under airline partners it just lists Nikki and Oneworld now.

SK2751

Interesting, very interesting. I see this as a sign of some negotiations, or otherwise attempts to save the thing still lasting. I wish them good luck

sambojohn

After AirBerlin's scheduling mishaps, they sent me an email in July offering my choice of a cash refund, or a voucher for future use (they included the voucher code in that email). I opted for cash. Unfortunately, they didn't send the cash refund before the announcement of bankruptcy last week. If I use the voucher, I'm no longer eligible for the cash refund.

My options are as follows:
1) File a claim at the appropriate time as the insolvency proceedings unfold.
2) Book a dummy ticket using the voucher for a far-off future date, and hope that I can get a cash refund when they go under, or the opportunity to transfer the ticket to a date that will actually work for me.

Which do you think is more likely to yield something of value?

Thank you.

tsolaaa

It is my understanding that any vouchers issued before the official insolvency date are no longer being honored. You can check to see if it is still valid here

LukeO9

What was the recent deal AB had to metal some of EW's flights, and what happens to that arrangement in the near future?