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Old Nov 6, 2017, 3:33 am
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Introduction

As you have been following the past thread, the Flying Blue programme will change as of 1 April 2018. In order to split the discussion from the earlier thread, we have created a new thread.

On 6 November Flying Blue has organised a press conference to inform the public about the changes to the programme. In addition, a mailing will be sent out to all members on the 6th and 7th of November and more information can be found on the designated website (link: https://explorefurther.flyingblue.com).

As an introduction, please find a summary of the changes below.

Please note that at the current time there is no difference expected to the benefits of the current tier.

Change 1: no more level miles, no more segments, but Experience Points

As of 1 April 2018 you will no longer earn level miles and segments per flight, but you will earn Experience Points (XP). The number of XP earned per flight depends on your cabin (multiplier times 2 for Premium Economy, 3 for business, 5 for La Premiere) and the type of flight (distinction between domestic, medium haul, long-haul 1/2/3).

For flights between 1 January – 31 March 2018 all earned level miles and segments will be converted into XP (1 segment = 7 XP; 1,000 level miles = 5 XP for members outside France). Please note that the highest conversion applies (it is not cumulative).

The number of XP required per tiers is:
- 100 for Silver;
- 180 for Gold;
- 300 for Platinum;
- 1,800 for Platinum Ultimate (in 2 years).

Please note that for current flyers who qualify on segments based on only intra-EU flights this could see an increase in the number of flights required. However, if you fly a mix if intra-EU and intercontinental (but qualify on segments), this will most likely see a reduction in the number of flights required to qualify.
For elite members, there is a roll-over of all XP above your tier threshold.

The rules for soft-landing have been extended. It is now no longer required to make at least 1 qualifying flight and in case you do not meet your threshold you will only drop one tier.

Change 2: number of miles earned dependent on fare paid (including fuel surcharge)

The number of award miles (for AF/KL/A5) earned is now depending on the fare paid (including fuel surcharge). Ivory members earn 4 miles per Euro, Silver 6, Gold 7 and Platinum 8.

Also earn award miles on AF/KL purchases (relating to seats, baggage and meals) according to the above schedule.

Earnings on partners remains as-is (based on fare class and distance flown).

Change 3: dynamic pricing of award tickets (on AF/KL/HV)

Another change will be that award tickets will have dynamic pricing, e.g. an award AMS-JFK could be more expensive than an award DUS-AMS-JFK. This is also in line with change 2, as flights from AMS are also more expensive than flights from DUS (you also earn more miles).

This also implies that we will see a difference in the number of miles required per flight. For example, an award from continental Europe to continental USA will currently set you back 25,000 miles for a one-way in economy. It does not matter if you fly to LAX or NYC, the number of miles is currently fixed. Under the new proposition, this will change. The cheaper flight (in this example: NYC) will see a slight reduction in the number of miles required, whilst LAX will see a slight increase in the number of miles required.

Furthermore, there will be a standard base level for the number of miles required per destination. As the standard revenue price increases, so does the number of award miles.

Change 4: status valid for 12 months (+ 3 months), personal membership year

FB will be moving away from membership year = calendar year (in case of upgrade of tier). Instead, FB will have an individual membership year. This means that after obtaining the higher tier, you will have 12 months to requalify. Benefit of this is that members are not bound by the calendar year (e.g. members who earn 20,000 level miles in a December of a given year and 20,000 level miles in January of the next year, do not have any benefit of their flights in case limited flights before/after).

I know some will feel that this is a significant downgrade compared to the current – at maximum – 27 months. Please note that based on FB information the majority of members (re)qualify in the last quarter of the year.

In addition, please note that for an Ivory member would like to go obtain Platinum in one year, as it will become more difficult, as (s)he will have to earn each threshold (so not 300 XP in the first year, but (100 + 180 + 300 = 580 XP). This is only applicable in the first year.

Change 5: changes to the co-branded American Express credit cards (FR/NL)

Currently you earn segments and level miles (on AF/KL purchases for Gold and Platinum card holders). This will change that you will receive additional XP when reaching your membership anniversary each year.
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Old Jan 24, 2018, 2:02 pm
  #961  
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
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Originally Posted by fifty_two
For 120€/150€ you can do 4-segments journey with KLM in europe (it just depends where you start your journey from)
Yes, but that only gives me 20 XP so I will still be a bit short for FBG.
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Old Jan 24, 2018, 2:55 pm
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Originally Posted by NLNO
Yes, but that only gives me 20 XP so I will still be a bit short for FBG.
Not if you do it before April, then you get 28XP for 4 segments. Add anything at all later in the year and you're golden.
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Old Jan 25, 2018, 3:31 am
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Hi all,
Can someone explain to me the difference between the French website and the english website for the conversion from level miles to XPs
French website 1000 level miles=4Xps
English website 1000 level miles=5Xps
Look French website:


English website
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Old Jan 25, 2018, 3:36 am
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Originally Posted by AurelAF96
Hi all,
Can someone explain to me the difference between the French website and the english website for the conversion from level miles to XPs
French website 1000 level miles=4Xps
English website 1000 level miles=5Xps
That difference is explained many times in this thread. The reason is the differing mileage requirements for status for French (and Monegasque) residents vs others. That difference will be removed with the new system, however is still reflected in the conversion of level miles to XP.
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Old Jan 25, 2018, 3:38 am
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Originally Posted by CyBeR
That difference is explained many times in this thread. The reason is the differing mileage requirements for status for French (and Monegasque) residents vs others. That difference will be removed with the new system, however is still reflected in the conversion of level miles to XP.
Ok i'm sorry for didn't see this on this thread, but because i know that know i will take one more time a foreign adress
Thanks
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Old Jan 25, 2018, 8:07 am
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Originally Posted by NLNO
Hello guys,

I am currently FB Silver and by end of March I have 6 Sky team flights, This means that I will get 42 XP right?
By the end of December I should have received 151 XP with my travel plans (I like to plan ahead). According to my understanding FB Amex Gold gives you 30 XP, however the website refers to 'anniversary of membership' - does this mean I will only get 30 XP after a year? If not I will try to plan a weekend segment run, however a € 170 fee is much cheaper than what a segment run normally cost. I'd love to reach FBG!

Thanks a lot for your input!
You will get the Amex 30XP on the first Amex bill. The same bill on which the € 170 appears.
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Old Jan 25, 2018, 11:54 am
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Does anyone know if miles rolled over from 2017 will be converted to XP also?
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Old Jan 25, 2018, 11:58 am
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yes, status miles rolled over are counted and XP rollover will continue.
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Old Jan 26, 2018, 3:28 am
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Guys, I have a question. If you re-qualified in 2017, what is your status expiration date? (I found the date in the KLM iOS app)

My last (and 30th) flight, flown just before new years, was credited in the new year. However almost a month later now, the KLM app still shows that my Gold status is due to expire in March 2018. While I heard from somebody else that it shows 2019 for them. So it seems that my 30th flight was not counted for last years qualification.

Contacted KLM on facebook to ask why it does not show March 2019, but they are completely worthless - the only thing they come back with is the new FB programme changes this year. Unwilling to look at my profile at all. It could make sense that it is related to the new programme, but then I would expect that to be the case for everyone..

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Old Jan 26, 2018, 3:39 am
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This is normal, they usually only updates it in March, when they send the new cards.

BTW, it seems they removed it from the KLM website and the KLM Android app, I could only find it by looking at the virtual card in the AF app.
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Old Jan 26, 2018, 6:15 am
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
Request your e-ticket from the KLM website.

In the pdf attachment, they will show you the "real" fare in Euros, billed as "ticket price", together with the "equivalent fare" in the currency that you paid.

Multiply the "ticket price" by 8 (if you are Platinum), and that is your Award Miles amount.
I requested my e-tickets and recieved the e-mailed PDF files but they are on Air France headed documents even though they were purchased at KLM for KLM flights. They do not give the fares are you describe in both GBP and EUR. It only gives the fares in the currency of purchase, so that is GBP. A call to Flying Blue and they said the Miles are calculated from the date of ticket purchase (with the currency conversion to EUR) and not the date of the flight(s).
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Old Jan 27, 2018, 3:39 am
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Join Date: Jun 2012
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Hello again,

Does anyone know what a domestic Delta flight would earn in terms of XP? The calculator tells me that F is premium economy, but it is clearly a level of service comparable with European business class?
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Old Jan 27, 2018, 3:59 am
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Join Date: Jun 2016
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Originally Posted by NLNO
Hello again,

Does anyone know what a domestic Delta flight would earn in terms of XP? The calculator tells me that F is premium economy, but it is clearly a level of service comparable with European business class?
It's a well know 'issue' I guess.
I think FB wants to differentiate between domestic transcon Delta One, which books on usual Fare Codes like Z/I/D/J, it's considered Business class by FB, and is a superior product than First Class, and actual Delta First Class on Domestic, which is considered Premium Economy.
A better deal would have been to consider F-class the Delta One product, and Business class the First class product - obviously only for Domestic flights.
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Old Jan 27, 2018, 12:46 pm
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Originally Posted by NLNO
Hello again,

Does anyone know what a domestic Delta flight would earn in terms of XP? The calculator tells me that F is premium economy, but it is clearly a level of service comparable with European business class?
Your information is as good as ours given that the new system isn't in use yet, and won't be for several months.
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Old Jan 27, 2018, 3:20 pm
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Originally Posted by CyBeR
Your information is as good as ours given that the new system isn't in use yet, and won't be for several months.
During the press conference that presented the new FB program, the example of US domestic F was clearly used to illustrate that we could earn First class XP on domestic segments (along with all Chinese airlines that offer F on selected domestic flights).
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