Platinum for Life
#46
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Malta
Programs: FB Silver, EK Gold, *A Gold, BAEC,KM
Posts: 161
I see what you mean and I agree.
But what I was thinking of were benefits that we often expressed as a wish list, such as "use of the Salon Premiere for Platinums". With >20,000 Platinums that is not possible. Lufthansa was struggling with 5,000, so AFKL would certainly struggle with 20,000.
The kind of services offered by HSBC or Amex are definitely higher than the norm but not super-exclusive. To me HSBC or Amex should be role models for Flying Blue Gold card holders, but Platinum should be more exclusive and have some more benefits.
Which shows that Platinum is an easy-to-achieve fourth tier but in return doesn't offer a lot. Different from HON Circle for instance, which requires a serious amount of flying.
But what I was thinking of were benefits that we often expressed as a wish list, such as "use of the Salon Premiere for Platinums". With >20,000 Platinums that is not possible. Lufthansa was struggling with 5,000, so AFKL would certainly struggle with 20,000.
The kind of services offered by HSBC or Amex are definitely higher than the norm but not super-exclusive. To me HSBC or Amex should be role models for Flying Blue Gold card holders, but Platinum should be more exclusive and have some more benefits.
Which shows that Platinum is an easy-to-achieve fourth tier but in return doesn't offer a lot. Different from HON Circle for instance, which requires a serious amount of flying.
Last edited by RigpigMalta; May 11, 2013 at 3:53 pm Reason: increased info
#47
FlyerTalk Evangelist, Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Somewhere between 0 and 13,000 metres high
Programs: AF/KL Life Plat, BA GGL+GfL, ALL Plat, Hilton Diam, Marriott Gold, blablablah, etc
Posts: 30,541
I see what you mean and I agree.
But what I was thinking of were benefits that we often expressed as a wish list, such as "use of the Salon Premiere for Platinums". With >20,000 Platinums that is not possible. Lufthansa was struggling with 5,000, so AFKL would certainly struggle with 20,000.
The kind of services offered by HSBC or Amex are definitely higher than the norm but not super-exclusive. To me HSBC or Amex should be role models for Flying Blue Gold card holders, but Platinum should be more exclusive and have some more benefits.
Which shows that Platinum is an easy-to-achieve fourth tier but in return doesn't offer a lot. Different from HON Circle for instance, which requires a serious amount of flying.
But what I was thinking of were benefits that we often expressed as a wish list, such as "use of the Salon Premiere for Platinums". With >20,000 Platinums that is not possible. Lufthansa was struggling with 5,000, so AFKL would certainly struggle with 20,000.
The kind of services offered by HSBC or Amex are definitely higher than the norm but not super-exclusive. To me HSBC or Amex should be role models for Flying Blue Gold card holders, but Platinum should be more exclusive and have some more benefits.
Which shows that Platinum is an easy-to-achieve fourth tier but in return doesn't offer a lot. Different from HON Circle for instance, which requires a serious amount of flying.
I agree with you that HSBC Premier or Amex Centurion are not all that exclusive but I would argue that as things stand, they probably feel much more exclusive than FB Platinum! This is not just in terms of "hard" benefits although there are arguably some more than FB P, but also in terms of 'attitude' and problem soliving/going the extra mile.
And I agree that access to the F lounge for FB Plat for life might be hard to achieve (although I'm not entirely sure how many would likely be at CDG at a given time) but a couple of upgrade certificates or so should be manageable as would GGL type 'jokers' for instance.
#48
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Hong Kong, France
Programs: FB , BA Gold
Posts: 15,564
I would concur with San Gottardo, only way is to make another level over Plat to thin the wheat from the chaff and get manageable numbers to offer HON type services. It's not gonna happen hence my ditching for this year over to EK to get Plat there. I already qualified for AF Plat for 2014, so thats the last they will see of me for a while. Got a nice call back from FB rep in French we dicked around over an hour and I spewed all the faults with the programs, too easy for golds to qualify, plat is too easy to obtain ergo beaucoup E+ everywhere you look on a plane.... :-) Lounges are swamped in CDG and most outstaions are too small for the amount of elites etc etc. and they stated that yes we are looking to implement new methodolgy to bring down the numbers of Elites, and we want to keep your valued flying (works out about 65k USD a year all business) yada yada yada
Personally, I do not think that it is the Gold level that is too easy to achieve. For example, in the huge Star Alliance there are many airlines where gold level is easy to achieve. Perhaps I should qualify my statement, FB Gold is not that easy to achieve if you qualify on miles, but easy to do so if you qualify on segments (only 30). My guess is that AF is thinking of raising the number of segments needed, or making qualifying segments more "expensive" to earn.
And there is no way that they can improve the benefits of Plat unless they significantly raise the qualification levels to insure that these Plats are really big contributors to AFKL bottom line. Just as BA or LH are doing by focusing on premium class travel.
#49
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: AMS
Programs: FB plat for life
Posts: 316
My wife who has been a PE since 1996 received an email to congratulate her with reaching LTPE... (?). Also this week an invitation for the LTPE event welcoming all new LTPEs and promising a specially produced and personalized gift. She is not really planning to attend but we are curious as to the gift.
Anyone else received this invite ?
I have been LTPE since 2000 or so never received any invitation for any event so that seems strange too.
Anyone else ?
Anyone else received this invite ?
I have been LTPE since 2000 or so never received any invitation for any event so that seems strange too.
Anyone else ?
#50
FlyerTalk Evangelist, Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Somewhere between 0 and 13,000 metres high
Programs: AF/KL Life Plat, BA GGL+GfL, ALL Plat, Hilton Diam, Marriott Gold, blablablah, etc
Posts: 30,541
My wife who has been a PE since 1996 received an email to congratulate her with reaching LTPE... (?). Also this week an invitation for the LTPE event welcoming all new LTPEs and promising a specially produced and personalized gift. She is not really planning to attend but we are curious as to the gift.
Anyone else received this invite ?
I have been LTPE since 2000 or so never received any invitation for any event so that seems strange too.
Anyone else ?
Anyone else received this invite ?
I have been LTPE since 2000 or so never received any invitation for any event so that seems strange too.
Anyone else ?
As for gifts and events, they all seem to be country specific, so however stupid it may sound, are you actually registered in the same country (i see you enter two locations in your profile)? In my case, when I received the Lifetime Plaitnum card, I was given a UK phone number I can ring for reservations although I have no idea if it is really only for Lifetime Platinums or also to platinums or golds.
#51
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: AMS
Programs: FB plat for life
Posts: 316
The years is indeed difficult - I asked FB to sort it out because we wanted to cancel Amex FB and they could not figure out when it started - and when they went from FD to FB.
We are registered in NL - same address both.
Would be interested in the gift - not so much in the event itself
thanks though
We are registered in NL - same address both.
Would be interested in the gift - not so much in the event itself
thanks though
#52
FlyerTalk Evangelist, Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Somewhere between 0 and 13,000 metres high
Programs: AF/KL Life Plat, BA GGL+GfL, ALL Plat, Hilton Diam, Marriott Gold, blablablah, etc
Posts: 30,541
#53
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: FRA
Programs: FB Plat & DL KM, Le Club Plat, GHA Plat, HHonors Diamond
Posts: 1,591
#54
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 14,352
Johan
#56
Moderator: Flying Blue (Air France & KLM)
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Rotterdam, NL
Programs: Flying Blue (AF/KL)
Posts: 4,711
As far as I understood from FB, these events have been introduced recently.
On a personal note, of course it would be nice to offer something for those who have qualified in the past, but understand it may be difficult to sell congratulating people on obtaining LTPE for those who qualified X number of years ago.
On a personal note, of course it would be nice to offer something for those who have qualified in the past, but understand it may be difficult to sell congratulating people on obtaining LTPE for those who qualified X number of years ago.
#57
#58
Join Date: Dec 2009
Programs: FB-LTPE
Posts: 506
I was invited for the event at Schiphol last year and thought it was a very nice gesture, also understood from a purser it was something new. I could not attend but got a nice little hanger of a blue KLM house on a necklace by mail. Male LTPE I am sure got something else.
#59
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Oct 2000
Posts: 14,352
A few years later I received a letter inviting me to pick up a Hästens travel pillow from one of their retail stores.
Johan
#60