Jan 31, 2024, 5:20 pm
Last edit by: ATLCDG
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In 2024, customers will find La Premiere on to 11 destinations.
La Premiere is available if you are flying to Tokyo, Los Angeles, San Francisco, New-York City (JFK), Washington DC, Miami, Abidjan, Singapore,Mexico City*, Sao Paulo and Dubai.
*Please note that Air France will discontinue the La Premiere service on the Mexico City (MEX) route on the 31st of March.
In 2024, you will find La Premiere on the following flights :
(All flights are in / out of Paris CDG. Exact timing varies during the year. These times are based on departures and arrivals in the month of May or August (middle of 2024)).
From Paris to New York City (JFK) :
AF4 10:30 - 12:45
AF6 13:30 - 15:50
AF8 16:30 - 18:50 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF10 18:30 - 20:40 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From New York City (JFK) to Paris :
AF1 16:30 - 05:55+1
AF5 18:30 - 08:05+1
AF7 21:30 - 11:05+1 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF9 23:15 - 12:40+1 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From Paris to Los Angeles (LAX) :
AF20 08:45 - 11:25 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF22 10:40 - 13:05
AF24 13:30 - 16:05
From Los Angeles (LAX) to Paris :
AF21 13:40 - 09:20+1 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF23 15:20 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20+1
From Paris to San Francisco (SFO) :
AF84 10:15 - 12:45
From San Francisco (SFO) to Paris :
AF83 15:00 - 10:50+1
From Paris to Abidjan (ABJ) :
AF702 14:35 - 18:55
From Abidjan (ABJ) to Paris :
AF703 21:30 - 05:55+1
From Paris to Singapore (SIN) :
AF256 21:15 - 16:30+1
From Singapore (SIN) to Paris :
AF257 22:30 - 06:10+1
From Paris to Miami (MIA) :
AF90 14:05 - 17:55
From Miami (MIA) to Paris :
AF99 20:15 - 11:15+1
From Paris to Tokyo Haneda (HND) :
AF274 22:00 - 18:30+1
From Tokyo Haneda (HND) to Paris :
AF293 00:05 - 07:55
From Paris to Washington (IAD) :
AF54 14:00 - 16:21
From Washington (IAD) to Paris :
AF55 18:45 - 08:05+1
From Paris to Sao Paulo (GRU) :
AF460 10:10 - 16:45
From Sao Paulo (GRU) to Paris :
AF459 18:55 - 11:05+1
From Paris to Dubai (DXB) :
AF662 13:45 - 22:25
From Dubai (DXB) to Paris :
AF655 00:40 - 06:00
From Paris to Mexico City (MEX) :
AF178 11:35 - 16:55 (ends in March)
From Mexico City (MEX) to Paris :
AF179 19:55 - 14:35+1 (ends in March)
Previously this travel class was available on the 772 too.
These flights are operated by a fleet of 19 specific 777-300ER (F-GSQA/B/C/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/U/V/Y and F-GZNA/B/C/D, and E)
Other routes that previously operated La Premiere service but are now terminated (as P service) included Osaka, Lagos, Beijing, Atlanta, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Chicago, Houston, Montreal and Johannesburg. (Or even the overnight flight to Sao Paulo for example.)
In 2024, customers will find La Premiere on to 11 destinations.
La Premiere is available if you are flying to Tokyo, Los Angeles, San Francisco, New-York City (JFK), Washington DC, Miami, Abidjan, Singapore,
*Please note that Air France will discontinue the La Premiere service on the Mexico City (MEX) route on the 31st of March.
In 2024, you will find La Premiere on the following flights :
(All flights are in / out of Paris CDG. Exact timing varies during the year. These times are based on departures and arrivals in the month of May or August (middle of 2024)).
From Paris to New York City (JFK) :
AF4 10:30 - 12:45
AF6 13:30 - 15:50
AF8 16:30 - 18:50 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF10 18:30 - 20:40 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From New York City (JFK) to Paris :
AF1 16:30 - 05:55+1
AF5 18:30 - 08:05+1
AF7 21:30 - 11:05+1 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF9 23:15 - 12:40+1 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From Paris to Los Angeles (LAX) :
AF20 08:45 - 11:25 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF22 10:40 - 13:05
AF24 13:30 - 16:05
From Los Angeles (LAX) to Paris :
AF21 13:40 - 09:20+1 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF23 15:20 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20+1
From Paris to San Francisco (SFO) :
AF84 10:15 - 12:45
From San Francisco (SFO) to Paris :
AF83 15:00 - 10:50+1
From Paris to Abidjan (ABJ) :
AF702 14:35 - 18:55
From Abidjan (ABJ) to Paris :
AF703 21:30 - 05:55+1
From Paris to Singapore (SIN) :
AF256 21:15 - 16:30+1
From Singapore (SIN) to Paris :
AF257 22:30 - 06:10+1
From Paris to Miami (MIA) :
AF90 14:05 - 17:55
From Miami (MIA) to Paris :
AF99 20:15 - 11:15+1
From Paris to Tokyo Haneda (HND) :
AF274 22:00 - 18:30+1
From Tokyo Haneda (HND) to Paris :
AF293 00:05 - 07:55
From Paris to Washington (IAD) :
AF54 14:00 - 16:21
From Washington (IAD) to Paris :
AF55 18:45 - 08:05+1
From Paris to Sao Paulo (GRU) :
AF460 10:10 - 16:45
From Sao Paulo (GRU) to Paris :
AF459 18:55 - 11:05+1
From Paris to Dubai (DXB) :
AF662 13:45 - 22:25
From Dubai (DXB) to Paris :
AF655 00:40 - 06:00
From Paris to Mexico City (MEX) :
AF178 11:35 - 16:55 (ends in March)
From Mexico City (MEX) to Paris :
AF179 19:55 - 14:35+1 (ends in March)
Previously this travel class was available on the 772 too.
These flights are operated by a fleet of 19 specific 777-300ER (F-GSQA/B/C/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/U/V/Y and F-GZNA/B/C/D, and E)
Other routes that previously operated La Premiere service but are now terminated (as P service) included Osaka, Lagos, Beijing, Atlanta, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Chicago, Houston, Montreal and Johannesburg. (Or even the overnight flight to Sao Paulo for example.)
AF « La Première » Outlook
Mar 22, 2023, 6:44 am
#1726
FlyerTalk Evangelist, Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Somewhere between 0 and 13,000 metres high
Programs: AF/KL Life Plat, BA GGL+GfL, ALL Plat, Hilton Diam, Marriott Gold, blablablah, etc
Posts: 30,541
My Platinum expired at the end of February and I am not planning on renewing this year, primarily because I have no need. I used all my FB miles and still have 6 LP award flights between April and November. As for paid travel, I've moved most of my long haul travel to Emirates.
Mar 22, 2023, 7:08 am
#1727
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Denver • DEN-APA
Programs: AF Platinum, EK Gold, AA EXP, UA 1K, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 21,602
Indeed accessing P awards would be my only reason at this time. I love LP and will continue to fly AF when convenient, especially when the new P cabin debuts. But IMO, AF has gotten ahead of themselves and perhaps believe their own PR a little too much. Current P pricing in some markets is ridiculous especially considering the current embarrassing wine lists both in the air and in the LPL.
Mar 22, 2023, 7:15 am
#1728
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Paris and around the WW
Programs: AF/KLM Club2000 Ultimate / M&M HON Circle / ALL Diamond / Hertz President Circle
Posts: 1,040
Indeed accessing P awards would be my only reason at this time. I love LP and will continue to fly AF when convenient, especially when the new P cabin debuts. But IMO, AF has gotten ahead of themselves and perhaps believe their own PR a little too much. Current P pricing in some markets is ridiculous especially considering the current embarrassing wine lists both in the air and in the LPL.
I believe I'm a good P client especially on MEX destination for more than 5 years with very regular trips.
For the 1st time, my MEX trip in June will be with LH in P.
LH fare was below 7,5k€ while AF was over 10k...
Mar 22, 2023, 8:11 am
#1729
FlyerTalk Evangelist, Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Somewhere between 0 and 13,000 metres high
Programs: AF/KL Life Plat, BA GGL+GfL, ALL Plat, Hilton Diam, Marriott Gold, blablablah, etc
Posts: 30,541
Yes, AF have created a bit of a strange market strategy at this stage. I guess they want their F to be Le Crillon rather than merely “a 5* hotel” but the market for that is so small it would almost require private jet flexibility and whilst P is a class above “most” F products, it has neither the absolute best cabin (EY apartment and residence were better not so sure what’s best now), nor the absolute best food (JL F food is better), not the absolute best drinks (I don’t fly them but from what many say here EK F has that) more of an overall highly balanced and excellent offer.
it’s hard to want to be Le Crillon if you don’t offer near perfection.
it’s hard to want to be Le Crillon if you don’t offer near perfection.
Mar 22, 2023, 1:23 pm
#1730
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: NYC -- UA 1K; SPG Platinum; HH Diamond.
Posts: 2,924
Yes, AF have created a bit of a strange market strategy at this stage. I guess they want their F to be Le Crillon rather than merely “a 5* hotel” but the market for that is so small it would almost require private jet flexibility and whilst P is a class above “most” F products, it has neither the absolute best cabin (EY apartment and residence were better not so sure what’s best now), nor the absolute best food (JL F food is better), not the absolute best drinks (I don’t fly them but from what many say here EK F has that) more of an overall highly balanced and excellent offer.
it’s hard to want to be Le Crillon if you don’t offer near perfection.
it’s hard to want to be Le Crillon if you don’t offer near perfection.
The people making “management” decisions over the last several years at the European airlines offering F (so AF, BA, LH and LX) have completely lost the plot (in different ways and to varying degrees) and in the great European tradition disconnected from the fact that there is competition out there and that passengers — at least some of us — have options.
Mar 22, 2023, 1:26 pm
#1731
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: NYC -- UA 1K; SPG Platinum; HH Diamond.
Posts: 2,924
As of this posting, I'm seeing 10 August as follows in La Première:
JFK-CDG:
221,000
CDG-JFK:
220,000
CDG-IAD:
220,000
IAD-CDG:
220,000
LAX (I checked just for fun) is now 280,000.
Not sure from whence you were thinking of travelling, but that's what I'm seeing as of right now.
JFK-CDG:
221,000
CDG-JFK:
220,000
CDG-IAD:
220,000
IAD-CDG:
220,000
LAX (I checked just for fun) is now 280,000.
Not sure from whence you were thinking of travelling, but that's what I'm seeing as of right now.
I would take the “221,000” for JFK (as opposed to the normal 220,000) as a possible red flag that something is about to change or that there’s some new “dynamic” pricing already in place. Caveat emptor if you’re holding on to miles and are planning to book a seat in the future.
Mar 22, 2023, 1:36 pm
#1732
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: NYC -- UA 1K; SPG Platinum; HH Diamond.
Posts: 2,924
My Platinum expired at the end of February and I am not planning on renewing this year, primarily because I have no need. I used all my FB miles and still have 8 LP award flights between April and November. As for paid travel, I've moved most of my long haul F travel to Emirates.
Moving F travel to Emirates — I am 100% with you. They actually understand and care about offering an F product and service, and actually deliver it.
Mar 24, 2023, 6:19 pm
#1733
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: The World! Home Base = DCA/IAD
Programs: HHonors, Hyatt GP, Marriott, Varying Levels w/ UA /AF /DL /SQ /AA
Posts: 2,666
Is AF FB as Ridiculous As It Seems? Or Is FB Losing Its Mind?
I just looked at LP award space in March 2024 IAD-SIN, and I see the following on the payment page:
Are my eyes crossed, or am I seeing 399,800 Miles PLUS €3,039?
Is this normal? Not the points part, but the cash part?
I did it again and I see 366,400 Miles + €2,913. I guess dynamic pricing for FB means showing a different price each time one executes a search. Not great on the IT side, and certainly frustrating for the consumer.
I should note that the prompts before I get to the payment amount (above) show lots of points (488,000 - no surprise, that's the old news) + €489 (no surprise, that's the old news), which is not great, but whatever. However when I click further in the purchase process I see the above.
Anyone have any idea? I may just be too new to AF and Flying Blue (My first AF LP flight since 2009 was September of last year, so six months ago...I made Plat pretty fast last year) so maybe I'm missing something everyone else knows about, but this seems pretty ridiculous for a LP redemption, even in the "new" "game changing" "suite," assuming they're even actually offering it by March 2024.
And Air France? FIX YOUR IT!
Are my eyes crossed, or am I seeing 399,800 Miles PLUS €3,039?
Is this normal? Not the points part, but the cash part?
I did it again and I see 366,400 Miles + €2,913. I guess dynamic pricing for FB means showing a different price each time one executes a search. Not great on the IT side, and certainly frustrating for the consumer.
I should note that the prompts before I get to the payment amount (above) show lots of points (488,000 - no surprise, that's the old news) + €489 (no surprise, that's the old news), which is not great, but whatever. However when I click further in the purchase process I see the above.
Anyone have any idea? I may just be too new to AF and Flying Blue (My first AF LP flight since 2009 was September of last year, so six months ago...I made Plat pretty fast last year) so maybe I'm missing something everyone else knows about, but this seems pretty ridiculous for a LP redemption, even in the "new" "game changing" "suite," assuming they're even actually offering it by March 2024.
And Air France? FIX YOUR IT!
Mar 25, 2023, 2:25 am
#1734
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Paris
Programs: FB Platinum, All Accor Platinum
Posts: 532
I just looked at LP award space in March 2024 IAD-SIN, and I see the following on the payment page:
Are my eyes crossed, or am I seeing 399,800 Miles PLUS €3,039?
Is this normal? Not the points part, but the cash part?
I did it again and I see 366,400 Miles + €2,913. I guess dynamic pricing for FB means showing a different price each time one executes a search. Not great on the IT side, and certainly frustrating for the consumer.
I should note that the prompts before I get to the payment amount (above) show lots of points (488,000 - no surprise, that's the old news) + €489 (no surprise, that's the old news), which is not great, but whatever. However when I click further in the purchase process I see the above.
Anyone have any idea? I may just be too new to AF and Flying Blue (My first AF LP flight since 2009 was September of last year, so six months ago...I made Plat pretty fast last year) so maybe I'm missing something everyone else knows about, but this seems pretty ridiculous for a LP redemption, even in the "new" "game changing" "suite," assuming they're even actually offering it by March 2024.
And Air France? FIX YOUR IT!
Are my eyes crossed, or am I seeing 399,800 Miles PLUS €3,039?
Is this normal? Not the points part, but the cash part?
I did it again and I see 366,400 Miles + €2,913. I guess dynamic pricing for FB means showing a different price each time one executes a search. Not great on the IT side, and certainly frustrating for the consumer.
I should note that the prompts before I get to the payment amount (above) show lots of points (488,000 - no surprise, that's the old news) + €489 (no surprise, that's the old news), which is not great, but whatever. However when I click further in the purchase process I see the above.
Anyone have any idea? I may just be too new to AF and Flying Blue (My first AF LP flight since 2009 was September of last year, so six months ago...I made Plat pretty fast last year) so maybe I'm missing something everyone else knows about, but this seems pretty ridiculous for a LP redemption, even in the "new" "game changing" "suite," assuming they're even actually offering it by March 2024.
And Air France? FIX YOUR IT!
I Ve tried on my side for march 11th 2024 and the first price I am getting is 533,000 miles +375 euros. When I go the next screen it gives the 399,800+3909 euros as well because I only around 450k miles on my account. I tried numerous times and I keep getting same prices. Not getting the 488,000 +489 euros.
Mar 25, 2023, 7:18 am
#1735
Join Date: Apr 2010
Programs: FB Platinum, AA Plat/2MM, SPG Plat/LT Gold
Posts: 379
I get this when I click through, and I do not have enough miles to cover. There are some dates in this range with no LP (and Business pricing higher than this in miles.) FWIW, mobile does not seem to be the best for award searches. I always book via desktop.
Last edited by miles4CDG; Mar 25, 2023 at 7:30 am Reason: addt'l info
Mar 25, 2023, 7:41 am
#1736
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Denver • DEN-APA
Programs: AF Platinum, EK Gold, AA EXP, UA 1K, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 21,602
I am not sure but They usually do this when you don’t have enough miles for original price, so they add cash and decrease the miles to the amount your FB account can pay. I've tried on my side for march 11th 2024 and the first price I am getting is 533,000 miles +375 euros. When I go the next screen it gives the 399,800+3909 euros as well because I only around 450k miles on my account. I tried numerous times and I keep getting same prices. Not getting the 488,000 +489 euros.
Mar 25, 2023, 9:03 am
#1737
Original Poster
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 1,051
Any of those prices are major devaluations to this program. Even the old 350K +400€ for US-CDG-SIN was excessive but these new prices are ridiculous. In many cases, it is now cheaper to buy a P ticket and use your CC miles/points (especially Amex PWP or Chase UR) to offset the price. Plus you earn miles and XPs.
Last edited by Bullspread; Mar 25, 2023 at 9:34 am
Mar 25, 2023, 9:58 am
#1738
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Denver • DEN-APA
Programs: AF Platinum, EK Gold, AA EXP, UA 1K, Hyatt Globalist
Posts: 21,602
LP load factors (roundtrip) for the next 7 days, including award tickets many no doubt booked under the 2022 rules...
• HND 85%
• LAX 68%
• SFO 68%
• MIA 68%
• IAD 65%
• JFK 64%
• SIN 40%
• DXB 34%
• MEX 33%
• GRU 32%
• HND 85%
• LAX 68%
• SFO 68%
• MIA 68%
• IAD 65%
• JFK 64%
• SIN 40%
• DXB 34%
• MEX 33%
• GRU 32%
Last edited by SFO777; Mar 25, 2023 at 5:18 pm Reason: forgot MIA
Mar 25, 2023, 10:25 am
#1739
Join Date: Jan 2019
Location: VIE/PRG
Programs: FB Platinum, Marriott Platinum Elite
Posts: 1,592
Honestly I am bit surprised by IAD. It can be bought from BUD for around 6-7k with return in J. With the loads to MEX I wonder how AF was able to send there A380 with so many premium seats.