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Orly FAQ - Updated May 23rd 23

This wikipost keeps track of the different changes at Orly and to provide guidance to passengers traveling through Orly.

Terminals:
Since end of March 19, the old names for the two Orly terminals (Ouest/West and Sud/South) have been changed and Orly reorganized into a single terminal with four departure areas.
They are as following:

Orly 1 (Ex Ouest Hall 1 & 2):
Orly 1 is comprised of two boarding areas and two check-in areas, which do not change from what people have seen with Halls 1 and 2. The distribution is as follows:

Boarding Area A:
Amelia, ITA, Iberia, Vueling, Air Malta, Chalair, Lufthansa
A contract lounge (accepts Priority Pass and SkyTeam credentials) is available downstairs by gates A01-A05 straight after security to the left.

Boarding Area B:
EasyJet, Air Europa, TAP

Orly 2 (Ex Ouest halls 3 & 4):
Halls 3 & 4 has been merged into a single boarding area, the C-Gates.

This boarding area is used by Air France, Air Corsica & ITA Airways. The AF Schengen lounge is located above gates C14 - C20. TAP & ITA Airways have check-in in Orly 2, Air France and Air Corsica have check-in in Orly 3.

Orly 3 (New junction building):
This building links Orly 1/2 (ex-West) and Orly 4 (ex-South). This departure area is comprised of a single check-in area and security filter, with the split between gates E (Schengen) and D (Non-Schengen) happening after security and shopping areas. All check-in ops happen in Orly 3 for Air France (Short/medium and long-haul), as well as Transavia.

Boarding Area D (Non-Schengen):
Transavia, Air France, Eastern Airways
Air France Lounge located on the floor above boarding level, accessible straight after passport control.

Boarding Area E (Schengen):
Transavia, Wizz Air

Orly 4 (ex-South):
This terminal has now become a primarily Non-Schengen terminal with the bulk of airlines operating non-schengen flights.

Boarding Area F (former A-Gates):
Royal Air Maroc, Azul Airlines, Corsair, Tunisair, TUIfly, Air Algerie, La Compagnie, Frenchbee, Air Caraibes

How do i transfer at Orly?
Due to Orly undergoing significant change with the new junction building, the transfers will become easier and finally airside connections will become possible. This section will therefore evolve as more information becomes available.

You are arriving at the A-Gates:
At the moment, only an A to A connection is possible airside. If connecting to another flight at the A-Gates, you will need to turn left and head upstairs if arriving at gates A12-A17 (this seems to be a temporary arrangement while construction is ongoing), or you will arrive directly into the gate area. If you leave from any other departure area, you must leave the secure area and re-clear security.

You are arriving at the B-Gates:
You will arrive directly on the upper level from which you can either head down to arrivals, or follow the signs towards the right for C (5 mins), D, E (10 mins) & F gates (15-20 mins). If connecting to a flight at the A-Gates, you must head down to arrivals, then back up to departures and re-clear security.

You are arriving at the C-Gates (Schengen)
You will arrive directly on the upper level from which you can either head down to arrivals, or follow the signs downwards for C (3 mins), or to the right for D, E (10 mins) & F gates (15-20 mins). If connecting to a flight at the A-Gates, you must head down to arrivals, then back up to departures and re-clear security.

You are arriving at the D-Gates (Non-Schengen)
You should arrive on the upper level directly where you will clear passport control. If connecting, follow signs and turn left in order to clear transfer security. You will then enter the secure area and can then head for your next departure area, B (10 mins), C (5 mins), D & E (2-3 mins) or F (10-15 mins). If connecting to a flight at the A-Gates, you must head down to arrivals, then back up to departures and re-clear security.

You are arriving at the E-Gates
You will arrive directly on the upper level from which you can either head down to arrivals, or follow the signs downwards for D, E (2-3 mins), onwards to C (5 mins), or to the right for F gates (15-20 mins). If connecting to a flight at the A-Gates, you must head down to arrivals, then back up to departures and re-clear security.

You are arriving at the F-Gates
More information is needed to confirm transfer process, expect to clear passport controls and head landside before reclearing security.

How to get to & from Orly?
Orly may be slightly less convenient to access by public transport, but is closer to Paris by car.

By Public Transport:

RER B + Orlyval:
This line, which links southern Paris and northern Paris, has several central stops in the city (Gare du Nord, Chatelet, Saint Michel, Denfert etc). Take the RER B to Antony, where you will then switch to the Orlyval, which stops in front of Orly 1 and Orly 4. The price for a Paris - Orly ticket + Orlyval is 12,1€. If you have a Navigo card, the RER B leg is included but you still need to buy a 2,80€ Orlyval ticket. Count 35-40 minutes from Chatelet to Orly. If transferring from Orly to CDG (or vice versa), count 75 minutes.

Metro 7 + Tramway 7:
This takes a bit more time from central Paris, but is convenient if you are directly on the Metro 7 line or are looking to get to Orly on the cheap. Take Metro 7 to Villejuif-Louis-Aragon and then change to Tramway 7 which goes all the way to Orly Airport.

(Opens spring 24) Metro 14:
20mn from Gare de Lyon to Orly directly on a standard 1,7€ metro ticket! Line 14 will arrive directly in the Orly 1 / 2 / 3 area in front of the P3 parking, and will be the quickest way to get to Central Paris to Orly, and will allow a new option for Orly to CDG connections. Scheduled to open spring 24 before the Olympics.


Orlybus:
RATP bus line from Denfert-Rochereau to Orly. Ticket price: 8,70€ (Navigo zones 1-4 passes accepted), leaves every 10 to 15 minutes. 25 to 35 min travel time.

Le Bus Direct:
Le Bus Direct service is now permanently discontinued, victim Covid-19.

By Car:
Several car parks are available at Orly and can be pre-booked. Travel time can vary wildly from central Paris, from 30 mins to 45 mins in normal conditions, and more if congestion is very bad. Always check a map app (Google Maps, Waze) for traffic info beforehand. Most of the big rental companies have a presence at Orly 1/2 and Orly 4.

By Taxi/Uber/VTC:
A taxi stand is available in front of Orly 1, Orly 3 and Orly 4. Uber and the other ride-sharing companies offer service to and from Orly. Taxis can be pre-booked from differents providers such as G7. There is a pick-up area for Orly 1/2, Orly 2/3 and Orly 4.
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Old Feb 25, 2022, 4:18 am
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T3 Schengen Departure - Which AF Lounge

If I have an AF domestic departure to NCE out of T3, do I have to use the lounge in T2 since the nice new AF lounge in T3 is beyond passport control and indicated on the website for long-haul only? How is the T2 lounge?
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Originally Posted by xianrocker
If I have an AF domestic departure to NCE out of T3, do I have to use the lounge in T2 since the nice new AF lounge in T3 is beyond passport control and indicated on the website for long-haul only? How is the T2 lounge?
yes, you have to use the lounge in T2. The T3 lounge is non-Schengen. In fact the T2 lounge is more recent than the T3 one . You have some information and pictures in the lounge thread from post #1684
Air France lounges and contract lounges master thread
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The information that you have a departure „out of T3“ on Air France is kind of misleading. Indeed, check-in counters for all Air France flights are in T3. But the departure gate for a flight to NCe will actually be in T2. So, if you only have hand luggage there is no need to go to T3. You simply go through security in T2.
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Old Feb 27, 2022, 7:02 am
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Originally Posted by Goldorak
yes, you have to use the lounge in T2. The T3 lounge is non-Schengen. In fact the T2 lounge is more recent than the T3 one . You have some information and pictures in the lounge thread from post #1684
Air France lounges and contract lounges master thread
The T3 lounge seems to be much nicer according to AF: https://wwws.airfrance.co.uk/informa...re/salons/ORY3

https://wwws.airfrance.us/informatio...re/salons/ORY2

I haven't seen any reviews that would indicate the T2 lounge is newer or nicer than the new T3 lounge that opened Jan ‘20: https://corporate.airfrance.com/en/p...e-paris-orly-3
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It's newer than the T3 one, but probably not nicer. But regardless of which one you prefer, you only have access to the lounge in T2.
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Originally Posted by xianrocker
The T3 lounge seems to be much nicer according to AF: https://wwws.airfrance.co.uk/informa...re/salons/ORY3

https://wwws.airfrance.us/informatio...re/salons/ORY2

I haven't seen any reviews that would indicate the T2 lounge is newer or nicer than the new T3 lounge that opened Jan ‘20: https://corporate.airfrance.com/en/p...e-paris-orly-3
I don't know which one is nicer as I haven't been to any of the 2. But, as said by lynxy, this is irrelevant for OP's question as you cannot access the ORY3 lounge when flying to NCE.
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question for ORY experts : flying AF domestic. Ticket says ORY3, but AF lounge is in 2. If no need to stop at the counter (eBP OK, carryon only), can I go directly to ORY2 and go through security there or do I need absolutely to go to ORY3, clear security in 3 and walk back airside to 2 ?
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Originally Posted by Goldorak
question for ORY experts : flying AF domestic. Ticket says ORY3, but AF lounge is in 2. If no need to stop at the counter (eBP OK, carryon only), can I go directly to ORY2 and go through security there or do I need absolutely to go to ORY3, clear security in 3 and walk back airside to 2 ?
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Not sure if I am an „Orly expert“, but the answer is yes.

I was wondering the same thing a few weeks ago when flying to NCE, gate shown was C17 or so, I looked it up on a map, and figured this was ORY 2. So the cab dropped me off at ORY 2, and I went through security there. There is a SP/Acces No. 1 lane to the right, which merges into the general lane. Then through some ORY mess to the actual gate area in the headhouse, lounge just upstairs. They have an ULTI area (I was offered it, but didn‘t have time, only grabbed two bottles of water for the flight)
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Originally Posted by Goldorak
question for ORY experts : flying AF domestic. Ticket says ORY3, but AF lounge is in 2. If no need to stop at the counter (eBP OK, carryon only), can I go directly to ORY2 and go through security there or do I need absolutely to go to ORY3, clear security in 3 and walk back airside to 2 ?
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I go there quite often for ORY-TLS, and as San Gottardo said there is a direct security lane to the C-gates in ORY2, with SkyPriority (not perfect as in usual ADP madness they also send some regular PAX there, but overall it usually saves a lot of time at peak hours), and a reasonable walk afterwards to go to the lounge.
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Thanks guys. I confirm it works.
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Another question for our ORY gurus
Flying from ORY1 on Amelia-operated flight / AF ticketed and marketed.
Can I access AF lounge in ORY2 and are Halls 2 and 1 connected airside ?
Thanks
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as far as I know, there is no airside connection between any Orly Terminals.

and as there is automatic gates before security, even if you're willing to go through security twice to enjoy an easily forgettable lounge, it will probably be complicated to negotiate with the machine to let you go to ORY2 with a boarding pass for ORY1.

I'm however not a all an ORY Guru, so if someone else has a better knowledge....
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Originally Posted by thibderoc
as far as I know, there is no airside connection between any Orly Terminals.
Thanks for your response. Since the last big bang of Orly, some terminals are definitely connected airside. For instance ORY2 and 3 are connected. But I have no experience for the others.
I asked the question to the Ultimate TA and received a negative answer "your flight will leave for ORY1A, so you cannot access the lounge in ORY2". I then asked if there was any lounge in ORY1 (our wiki thread says that it's definitely closed) and I received a very confusing answer (at least confusing for me) : "leaving from orly 1A, there is no possible lounge access. You can access the Orly 1C lounge only when leaving from Orly 1B" 🤪.
I am totally lost. Am I the only one to find the new Orly very confusing ?
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yes : C gates are Orly 2, while A and B gates are Orly 1. So the answer is confusing when they speak of Orly 1C lounge.

the worst in that ckeck-in for AF is at Orly3 even if you depart from Orly2...
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Originally Posted by Goldorak
Another question for our ORY gurus
Flying from ORY1 on Amelia-operated flight / AF ticketed and marketed.
Can I access AF lounge in ORY2 and are Halls 2 and 1 connected airside ?
Thanks
Originally Posted by thibderoc
as far as I know, there is no airside connection between any Orly Terminals.

and as there is automatic gates before security, even if you're willing to go through security twice to enjoy an easily forgettable lounge, it will probably be complicated to negotiate with the machine to let you go to ORY2 with a boarding pass for ORY1.

I'm however not a all an ORY Guru, so if someone else has a better knowledge....
Originally Posted by Goldorak
Thanks for your response. Since the last big bang of Orly, some terminals are definitely connected airside. For instance ORY2 and 3 are connected. But I have no experience for the others.
I asked the question to the Ultimate TA and received a negative answer "your flight will leave for ORY1A, so you cannot access the lounge in ORY2". I then asked if there was any lounge in ORY1 (our wiki thread says that it's definitely closed) and I received a very confusing answer (at least confusing for me) : "leaving from orly 1A, there is no possible lounge access. You can access the Orly 1C lounge only when leaving from Orly 1B" 🤪.
I am totally lost. Am I the only one to find the new Orly very confusing ?
Originally Posted by thibderoc
yes : C gates are Orly 2, while A and B gates are Orly 1. So the answer is confusing when they speak of Orly 1C lounge.

the worst in that ckeck-in for AF is at Orly3 even if you depart from Orly2...
I am answering my own question and give the final outcome. I will say upfront that it’s another code-share fiasco as I didn’t have free lounge access. As a reminder, I was flying a domestic flight AF-marketed and Amelia-operated (note that this was not a franchise AF flight solely marketed by AF, but a real code-share flight marketed both by Amelia and AF). Flight was departing from A gates (ORY1) from this horrible downstairs waiting room (bus gates). I needed a quiet place to participate to some online meetings ending just before my boarding time and this is why I needed to arrive relatively early at the airport before my flight.

- not possible to OLCI with AF, possible with Amelia so I had an Amelia BP arriving at the airport
- I tried to obtain another BP from an AF kiosk : not possible
- Amelia BP was refused when scanning it to enter security at ORY2 for C gates (trying to go to AF lounge). Explaining to ADP agent what were my intentions and that I didn’t care to pass security twice, she said it’s not possible to go airside C gates when having a BP for A gates.
- she also confirmed ORY 1 & 2 are not connected airside (otherwise it would have been easy )
- As a last recourse, I stopped at AF ticketing counter to see if there was a possibility. There was none as I was fearing. I was told “it’s for a question of security” . It showed also how clueless the AF staff is about code-shares and constraints/needs of their pax : when I asked her what was the point of buying the ticket to AF instead of Amelia for their top status pax, she answered that they are selling tickets for all airlines so it’s just a selling service they assure. No Madam, it’s a code-share and you sell the ticket usually at a higher price than the operating airline. She had no clue and I stopped the conversation at that point as it was going nowhere obviously.
- so I had no choice other than going to A gates and try the lounge there (Premium Traveler)
- there is no agreement between AF and this lounge. Not really a surprise as there is no more AF-operated flights from there, only a few Amelia code-shares.
- I ended up buying a paid access (36€) as the terminal was super busy and there was no way I could make my meetings from the main hall. I will post pictures in the lounge thread soon. The lounge is comfortable and rather pleasant but the offer is minimal. But it did the job perfectly.

What’s ridiculous in this story is the total lack of understanding by AF of the code-share situation consequences and constraints for their pax (not the 1st time we say this). There are 2 types of Amelia-operated flights:
a) flights under AF franchise agreement. Those flights are marketed solely by AF and depart from ORY2 / C gates (bus). Those are flights to DCM, AUR, etc. AF status pax have all benefits (SP, lounge access)
b) Amelia flights, code-shared with AF and marketed both by AF and Amelia. Those are flights to RDZ, BVE, CFE, etc. They depart from ORY1 / A gates. AF status pax have nothing.

All those flights are under OSP (obligations de service public) and move frequently from a) to b) and vice-versa.
Knowing that, for b) flights, a significant number of tickets are sold by AF and that a) flights are already departing from C gates, it shouldn’t be too much of a problem to have all Amelia flights boarding from ORY2/C as this is all bus boarding. But for this, a bit of goodwill is needed .

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