"Somewhat scary one near Winnipeg" - The AC Master Incidents Thread
#4156
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I'll try my best to translate this. There seem to be three separate delay remarks entered but the system runs them all together to create this mess...
RMKS/DLY AWAITING INB ACFT ACCT ORIGINAL FIN337 AOG EX-YYZ DUE
MTC- RUDDER PETAL ISSUES, AWAITING FERRY FLIGHT AC7067 FROM YUL
-YYZ TO PICK UP AC710.
- "Delayed awaiting inbound aircraft (on) account (of) original FIN 337 (being) AOG in YYZ due (to) MTC- Rudder petal(sic) issues. Awaiting ferry flight AC7067 from YUL to pick up AC710."
AC7067 RTG IN YUL- NECESSARY FIN SWAP RE
QD TO FIRAV- NOW AWAITING INB FIN333//
- "AC7067 returned to (the) gate in YUL. Necessary FIN swap required to first available. Now awaiting inbound FIN 333."
FURTHERED DELAYED DUE T
O AIRCRAFT HELD OVER HEAD LGA
- "(AC715) Further delayed due to aircraft (inbound AC710/FIN 333) held overhead LGA"
So that combined with the fact that the remarks themselves are a total mess = barely comprehensible. I don't blame you for having a headache!
RMKS/DLY AWAITING INB ACFT ACCT ORIGINAL FIN337 AOG EX-YYZ DUE
MTC- RUDDER PETAL ISSUES, AWAITING FERRY FLIGHT AC7067 FROM YUL
-YYZ TO PICK UP AC710.
- "Delayed awaiting inbound aircraft (on) account (of) original FIN 337 (being) AOG in YYZ due (to) MTC- Rudder petal(sic) issues. Awaiting ferry flight AC7067 from YUL to pick up AC710."
AC7067 RTG IN YUL- NECESSARY FIN SWAP RE
QD TO FIRAV- NOW AWAITING INB FIN333//
- "AC7067 returned to (the) gate in YUL. Necessary FIN swap required to first available. Now awaiting inbound FIN 333."
FURTHERED DELAYED DUE T
O AIRCRAFT HELD OVER HEAD LGA
- "(AC715) Further delayed due to aircraft (inbound AC710/FIN 333) held overhead LGA"
So that combined with the fact that the remarks themselves are a total mess = barely comprehensible. I don't blame you for having a headache!
Would also help if explanation given by the captain on board would match what the gate agents had said previously as the cause of a delay (for a subsequent flight). Gate agent correctly mentioned mechanical issues with two different planes; crew said weather at LGA...
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The operating crew of either AC710 YYZLGA or the return AC715 LGAYYZ (whether same crew or different) may not have been aware of all the intricacies behind the upline delay(s). The gate agents can see all the remarks that were listed above, the crew can not.
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To add to this, both were partially correct, so in hindsight this was not a case of making things up, more like which part of the story to emphazise. But when different people offer different explanations, it makes it sound like they made them up, which is not good.
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EF:
AC0003/31JUL EQU ACA789P01
CTY TML ARR DEP GRND AIR CABINS J O Y
YVR - 1350 - 10.00
NRT 1550*1 TOTAL TIME YVRNRT 10.00
RMKS/FIN 848 848 DIVERING FOR MEDICAL PAX TO COME OFF GAS$N$GO
YVR 1355 00:05L ANC?1626 789 ANP AD AA
ANC?1735 00:33E NRT 1740 05:32L 789 ED EA
YVR NRT
DEP TML M GATE --/D54
ARR TML 1 GATE --/-----
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AC321 had a medical emergency which was dealt with after arrival into YYC on 7/31... hopefully it’s not the start of a trend
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AC 1 YYZ-HND Aug 1
AC0001/01AUG EQU ACA77WC01
CTY TML ARR DEP GRND AIR CABINS J O Y
YYZ - 1340 - 13.00
HND 1540*1 TOTAL TIME YYZHND 13.00
RMKS/ACFT DIVERTING TO YYZ DUE MTC ABNORMAL VIBRATIONS ON LEFT
ENGINE; FIN 742.FLIGHT RETURN TO YYZ ACCOUNT MTC FIN 742 FOR EN
GINE VIBRATION. REQUIRED RECREW AND FIN SWAP TO FIN 740
YYZ 1335 00:05E YYZ?1657 77W AD EA
YYZ?2030 06:50L HND 2216 06:36L 77W MTF ED EA
YYZ HND
DEP TML T1 GATE --/E74
ARR TML GATE --/-----
AC0001/01AUG EQU ACA77WC01
CTY TML ARR DEP GRND AIR CABINS J O Y
YYZ - 1340 - 13.00
HND 1540*1 TOTAL TIME YYZHND 13.00
RMKS/ACFT DIVERTING TO YYZ DUE MTC ABNORMAL VIBRATIONS ON LEFT
ENGINE; FIN 742.FLIGHT RETURN TO YYZ ACCOUNT MTC FIN 742 FOR EN
GINE VIBRATION. REQUIRED RECREW AND FIN SWAP TO FIN 740
YYZ 1335 00:05E YYZ?1657 77W AD EA
YYZ?2030 06:50L HND 2216 06:36L 77W MTF ED EA
YYZ HND
DEP TML T1 GATE --/E74
ARR TML GATE --/-----
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I'm assuming these are the correct remarks for this FIN / flight:
Or maybe not.
RMKS/AIRCRAFT RETURN TO GATE ACCT MTC FIN 803 FOR A SPOILERS AND FLAP INHIBIT EICAS MESSAGE